Hello,

A new patch has been released for Messenger Plus!. I didn't plan to do another patch before the next big release but I had to do it for two reasons:

• The first reason is MSN Messenger 6. Because of some things Microsoft did, Messenger Plus! can't work properly with this new version of MSN Messenger (will be released sometimes this summer). The 2.10.36 patch makes sure that Messenger Plus! does not cause any problem with MSN Messenger 6 (however, it's absolutely not compatible with it for now).
  
• The second reason is more personal. Messenger Plus! being my only source of revenue for quite some time now, I had to find a way to earn enough to live my life. Messenger Plus! now comes with a sponsor program. If you don't like this, you are free not to install the sponsor during Messenger Plus! setup.
  

WOW ~ My Pal called me up n woke me for this....!!!!!!
THANKS PATCHOU ! THANKS A MILLION ! ZzzzzZzzz...I am in dire need of some sleep ! BUT THANKS ANYWAYS A WHOLE LOT LOT LOT N LOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT ! *RESPECT* DUDE  !!!

hahaha... if only everybody was so grateful

Chroooomoooooo lalalalalala

when 6.0 is released, how long time will it take for an 6.0 compatible msg plus! verison to come out

dude... read the messenger 6 -sad new thread and dont ask this question again....

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Originally posted by skribb
when 6.0 is released, how long time will it take for an 6.0 compatible msg plus! verison to come out

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odd.. after installing this when i open msn the toolbars go all dumb but once i sign in its fine..

Patchou will need reprogram the entire program, so it will take lots of time and patience for us and for him.

Thanks Patchou and dont fall down

* musicalmidget is prepared to wait.

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Originally posted by Patchou
Chroooomoooooo lalalalalala

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o_O

wow...that's great... Patchou, don't give up even when there's not even faintest chance...

well I won't be able to install the sponser program...not old enough...

my mirror will now be updated:
http://www.ck.tp.edu.tw/~ck910833/myself/stuffpic/MsgPlus-210a.exe
2,080,768 Bytes

[edit]Link updated at the request of Patchou. The same filesize but during the installtion something changed.[/edit]

Dont worry, I carefully selected the sponsor... there no chance any porn popup displays automatically on your computer . Also, I asked them to remove some of their things, I really want to keep all of you happy.

As for mirrors, please, update it... I just uploaded a modified setup (the sponsor window has been changed).

Thanks!
Patchou

Well Patchou I found in About Box it says "May 23th"...
How about "May 23rd"...?

inform us if it's updated...

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Originally posted by Ñ y S û P å S t @ ®
patchou look for everything he does not wanna make us unhappy and we wont make him unhappy, cuz he is my god

greez

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i never got no sponser thing when i just installed version .36

weird. i used the main link on the main page aswel.

strange.......

I wont fix the "23th" typo

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Originally posted by Patchou
I wont fix the "23th" typo

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I've been away for awhile but I can't thank you enough Patchou for everything you've done.  Plus! is an amazing program and I hope that you can find a way  to get it to work with Messenger 6.  I believe in you and I know everyone else here does too.  Thanks for everything.  

australia mirror updated:
http://home.iprimus.com.au/gnieslaw/MsgPlus-210a.exe

Submitted to Neowin



what kind of advertising are we talking about here? spyware?

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Originally posted by Patchou
Chroooomoooooo lalalalalala

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Chrono wishes it said; "Chroooooonnnnoooooo lalala."   j/k man.

Patchou, not that I don't trust you, but can you please explain exactly what the sponsor program does? (what registry fields added, files installed, etc.), otherwise you might find that Messenger Plus has a spyware alert!

SMG its a option.

Dan

it is an option, but when i recommend this to all my noob contacts, i know they are going to keep it ticked, and I want to know what's going to happen to their computer, since I'm the one that always ends up fixing it

SMG, I dont have a list of everything that is done. However, for what I've seen, it adds a search bar to internet explorer and some shortcuts in the desktop after installation. Again, be sure that I'm puting a lot of pressure on my sponsor partner to avoid too much anoying ads. I trust them and I trust the fact that except for some ads and casino stuff, theres nothing more.

Anyway, next week will be a test week so I'll quickly know the general user opinion about this.

Oh, and, I know I didnt want to talk about Messenger 6 anymore for now but, just to let you know... finally it looks not that bad. However, even if I make it work, it won't be before some time as there's a lot to code.

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Originally posted by SMG
Patchou, not that I don't trust you, but can you please explain exactly what the sponsor program does? (what registry fields added, files installed, etc.), otherwise you might find that Messenger Plus has a spyware alert!

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great news Patchou .... just a question are we talking weeks months or years?

Dan

A mirror in Canada:
http://members.shaw.ca/charlie_su1986f/MsgPlus-210a.exe

thanx for ur good work!!

Well I installed the sponsor-version, but I didn't see a search bar, or get any links on my desktop, but above all of what I want to know, how are the ads delivered? do they give it to us via banners? popups? favourites? or something else?

technically, im not alloud to install the sponsors - im not 18!!!

Does the automatic installation include the sponsor program?

Updated Belgian mirrors
http://users.skynet.be/dadoef/MsgPlus-210a.exe
and
http://users.pandora.be/drunkenkiwi/MsgPlus-210a.exe

Well here goes i missed the option to not install the sponsor program so ended up with all kinda shit. There is indeed a toolbar installed in the windows shell also alot of links in your favorites and on your desktop are added, unnecessary .dll's are loaded together with some weird .exe files like rem66.exe and osd67.exe which take up like 10mb ram from your system memory. When i tried removing that stuff i was able to remove the links in my favorites and the .exe files after ending their process using taskmanager, but it adds alot of stuff in your register and loads .dll's when windows starts which u can't remove then. Most of the stuff was in documents and settings -> my username -> application data also some files in local settings -> temp. I uninstalled messenger plus in the hope everything being gone, but this was not the case i had to use system restore to get rid of all the stuff

Hey Patchou Messenger Plus is a very good program.

I have installed Messenger PLUS 2.10.0036 and now i have very big problems. I dont now what the sponsor program does but my DNS isn't working any more. When i ping a local server it pings a server example i want to ping my server01 i get in the command prompt:

Pinging server01.K8099.find-quick.com [66.220.17.55] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 66.220.17.55: bytes=32 time=189ms TTL=56
Reply from 66.220.17.55: bytes=32 time=187ms TTL=56
Reply from 66.220.17.55: bytes=32 time=188ms TTL=56
Reply from 66.220.17.55: bytes=32 time=187ms TTL=56

Ping statistics for 66.220.17.55:

    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),

Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:

    Minimum = 187ms, Maximum = 189ms, Average = 187ms

What is this K8099.find-quick.com [66.220.17.55] ??

Before the new update of Plus everything works fine but now i have big problems.
Removing of Plus 2.10.0036 doesn't help i stil keep that problem and offers from that sponsor program how i get it off from my machines?

Pleace help me.

So the 5% of confidence grows up, eh Patchou ?

About the ads... well, the thing is that I could check out that option if I wanted too, but for most people, installing something is:

1.- Downloading the exe
2.- Double-click the exe
3.- While (EXE doesn't close) click on "OK" or "NEXT"

So they would be annoyed if they find that bars and so on... If this ad-thing prosperes, I think it should come with that option unchecked by default.
  

I've just donwloades .36 but I won't install the sponsor prorgamm. Sorry Patchou, but I think Messenger Plus! should be 100% free & 100% freeware so I'll use Plus! as if it'd come without any sponsor programm.

Anyway, Plus! is a great programm so keep working in it, Patchou.

Spanish mirror updated:
http://personal.telefonica.terra.es/web/disablez/MP2/MsgPlus-210a.exe

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Originally posted by Choli
I've just donwloades .36 but I won't install the sponsor prorgamm. Sorry Patchou, but I think Messenger Plus! should be 100% free & 100% freeware so I'll use Plus! as if it'd come without any sponsor programm.

Anyway, Plus! is a great programm so keep working in it, Patchou.

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UK Mirror updated:

Verison .36
http://www.bmtaylor.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/MsgPlus-210a.exe

Version .35
http://www.bmtaylor.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/MsgPlus-210.exe

This version has two bugs 1it says the wrong version and 2it doesnt play the sounds use version 0035 until there is a uppdate for 0036.


dl the 0035 from here:

http://www.eckohost.com/~pluslite/Plus/Latest/MsgPlus-210.exe

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Originally posted by Fraisie

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Originally posted by Choli
I've just donwloades .36 but I won't install the sponsor prorgamm. Sorry Patchou, but I think Messenger Plus! should be 100% free & 100% freeware so I'll use Plus! as if it'd come without any sponsor programm.

Anyway, Plus! is a great programm so keep working in it, Patchou.

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I can totally understand that... but I don't agree with you, for the fact that Plus! is Patchou's only salary... so don't say that "Plus! should be 100% free", as we both would die of hunger

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Originally posted by Kierkegaard
This version has two bugs 1it says the wrong version and 2it doesnt play the sounds use version 0035 until there is a uppdate for 0036.

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Originally posted by Fraisie
... so don't say that "Plus! should be 100% free", as we both would die of hunger

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* billywoods1 installs the sponsor program

Thank to those who installed the sponsor program. I'm not lying to you when I say that without this kind of money, I'll have to find a new job and I won't be able to maintain Messenger Plus! as I'm doing right now. However, of course I understand if you don't install the sponsor, don't feel guilty about it. Plus! is a free software and you should realize that ad-based programs generally don't ask the user if he wants to install the ads or not .

As for your DNS problems, well, I must admit that I have no idea. My suggestion is unisntall Plus!, it will trigger the uninstalltion of the ads. Then reinstall without the sponsor. Future versions of Plus! will allow to unisntall the sponsor only from the uninstaller.

Again, thank you all
Patchou

Hi Patchou

I have uninstalled Plus 2.10.0036 and rebooted but it isn't working. So the problem was still there. And also the sponsor toolbar in Internet Explorer

I have now the problem solved by reinstalling my whole system.

I'm glad that it informs you that the sponsor program is being included, but there should be a better way for removal sorry.

And how are the ads delivered? banners? is there a screenshot?

I have also posted a comment/request in the "Help & Support" forums that the "COMPLETE" list of changes that the installation of the "Sponsor" Program makes to the system upon installation.

As I stated in my comment int he "Help & Support" forum.  I would and will gladly PAY (yes.. actually pay real money) for this software.  I have been using it since the very begining of its creation and I do feel that Patchou deserves compensation.

Though, I will NOT tolerate a SPAMware program hijacking my system without an OBVIOUS warning prior to the programs installation.  In addition to that.. it is completely unacceptable that ANY program should not have the option to be uninstalled.  Especially one such as this Ad Program.

As a sign of good faith to your community, Patchou, I urge you to post a full list of changes made to the system by this "Sponsor Program".

Thanks,
  A.J.

You can unisntall the program from Add/Remove Programs. Well guys, I'm done with explaining myself. I remind you that there is a "Donation" page for one year on my site and I didn't even earned enough to live 1 week my a year of donation. Adding ads was not an easy choice, it's still in test and again, I remind you that I was kind enough to allow you not to install the sponsor. Uninstalling Plus! will trigger the uninstalltion of the sponsor. I've done it multiple time on my own computer and the fact is: it works.

It's really bad that some people can't appreciate  what I am giving. I'm losing money every minute because I forced the sponsor to remove some of its ads and because some people dont install the sponsor. What do you want me to do? send you $5 everytime you install Plus!?

Patchou

Hey I just read this post and find it amazingy that only so many people will install the sponsor it's a shame coz PLus is a really good extension and Patchous but his heart into it so at least pay the big guy up there back

How do you get paid for this Patchou, and how much?  
Advertising on the internet is no way to make money; it's why there were so many 'dot-bombs' earlier on this century.  It started to become apparent that in the end people just ignore most adverts, so the only way that anyone could keep their head above the surface was to flood everyone with ads, to get more of the little revenue that they bring... and of course that just escalates the problem.
Personally I can't put up with that... I reinstalled Plus on top denying the sponsorship program, but understandably that didn't uninstall it, and I don't want to lose my Plus settings so I'll just wait...  I managed to delete the porn links on favorites, get rid of the desktop icons, hide the toolbar and block the popup program from using the internet with zonealarm, so I'm more or less satisfied.
I still find it intrusive though, and Plus has never been like that before, always keeping itself to itself and being very explicit about what it does and is going to do etc.  I do hope it gets some good revenue though, because then I'd understand the need to add it.
But if it's pay-per-view we'll see.

Lol, well, you're wrong... without ads on my web site, www.msgplus.net wouldn't exist and my servers are costing a lot.

About uninstalling/reinstalling, don't worry, the uninstaller asks you if you want to keep your personal settings .

mirror updated for United States

http://www.nakhleh.ca/mp2/MsgPlus-210a.exe

thanks

*crazihouse installs sponsor program!*
we need to help patchou or else he'll die of hunger!

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Lol, well, you're wrong... without ads on my web site, www.msgplus.net wouldn't exist and my servers are costing a lot.

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It's really bad that some people can't appreciate  what I am giving. I'm losing money every minute because I forced the sponsor to remove some of its ads and because some people dont install the sponsor. What do you want me to do? send you $5 everytime you install Plus!?

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Hi! I just read this thread and I know now that most of you don't want the sponsorprogram. I can understand you: I also don't want a sponsorprogram on my pc . But hey! Patchou needs some money to live! Maybe there's another solution!? If every user of pays $ 1 per month for using this great add-on, Patchou would have $ 4.000.000 per month! I think that would be enough, wouldn't it?

Maybe you now think I'm crazy and maybe I'm , but what's the alternative? Chatting without ? NO WAY!

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Originally posted by GroteSmurf
Hi! I just read this thread and I know now that most of you don't want the sponsorprogram. I can understand you: I also don't want a sponsorprogram on my pc . But hey! Patchou needs some money to live! Maybe there's another solution!? If every user of pays $ 1 per month for using this great add-on, Patchou would have $ 4.000.000 per month! I think that would be enough, wouldn't it?

Maybe you now think I'm crazy and maybe I'm , but what's the alternative? Chatting without ? NO WAY!

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The truth is, that, in my particular case, I've never used anything that came on a internet ad. I haven't got need for Viagra, I have no debts (and if I had, I wouldn't give the responsability to a country a lot of thousand km far away), I don't want how many fists fit into... er... etc etc. My mail right now had 185 msg in a day, of which only 8 were useful. The rest were all spam. (And I'm waiting for 30$ that company... Intellisurf? theorically should have sent me, back in 1996, for installing their... navigation bar or something.

So the only reason for me to install adware would be to make them give you money... that's nice... but most adware doesn't only show you ads... picks something from your comp and tells it to their "little friends" who start spamming you.

There are ways and ways to show ads. I don't matter having banners on a web page... I can focus on the part of the page I want, what I don't like is popups, popunders, popbetweens, lolly-pops, ad-cookies, strange dialers (Here in Spain a lot of people is having problems because of the 906's dialers (906 are special tarification phone numbers)), dlls, exes anywhere, which can completely fuck up your computer...

So, just have to answer yourself a bit of questions...
Are you completely sure that, if anyone installs the ad program, he won't have strange side-effects (icons everywhere, problems with connection, strange uploading traffic)?
Are you sure my email address or some info I haven't given won't be sent to third parties ?

(Note that few people are going to read the "contract" when installing Plus!)

Pffew.. I think I'm being a (big) bit... nasty. Sorry
What I'm trying to say is that there must be a better way to earn money (and be sure you've earned it), but adware isn't nice. So people join your heads and let's look for something...      

but still, we need a way to support plus! patchou hasnt been making enough money to live for 1 week with paypal, so he's been forced to do this. and even at that, its optional! quit your whining on its bad to install ads, sponsors, etc.

i, personally, cant use paypal (look at my age ) so i try my best to so it any other way.

billywoods1 & JPG050,

I agree whole heartedly with both of you.  The PORN ads that hijacked my system were incredibly offensive to me.

The fact that things were "added" to my "Favorites" folder without my knowledge or consent was incredibly annoying and scarey.

I honestly had no idea what caused it at first.  Then I found all this other "stuff" installed on my system that I had no idea where it came from.

The fact is.. in most cases.. these programs often do quite malicious things to your system and often can broadcast sensetive data to people you would rather not have any communication with.  I do not like these "ad" tactics... and I seriously doubt many other people do either.

A.J.

P.S. Patchou,
         How about that "list of changes" made to the system upon installation of the "Sponsor" soft.  I would relaly like to know exactly what happened when it got installed to my system.  Also... I would like to know if "uninstalling" PLUS removes ALL the bogus registry keys that the "Sponsor" program installed.  i.e. "volaqalhpqrhhoflokil"

  Side note - I just can't understand why these programs use bogus key names like that when they have nothing to do with their software's use or function!

I agree with everyone, I currently am not installing .36 for the same reason as billywoods1, I havent got much to say on the issue but if he decides to permanently add it i am not using plus any longer. sorry patchou.

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Side note - I just can't understand why these programs use bogus key names like that when they have nothing to do with their software's use or function!

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Sorry Patchou, but the sponsor program destroys the image of Plus! It's such a great software, but this is not the best way of earning your deserved money (maybe the fastest, but it's not always the best). I would rather see some more ads on your website, even if the popups is annoying I think they are a better way. I'll continue updating my Plus! version, but I'll never install the sponsor program. This also make new users go away. The internet is filled up with these sponsor programs, and it's like hell.

Sorry Patchou, you have deserved a lot of money, but this is not the way.

Msgbox alerts?!?!   like how often do they popup?!!

Salaam (hi),

I know Patchou said that we shouldnt talk about MSN Messenger v6 anymore but got this news from mess.be, the guy there found the messenger plus API's ... heres the link http://www.mess.be/msn6programming.htm I hope it helps...and sorry again

Looks like I need to change my signature...

WalaikumAssalaam (Hi back 2 u) !!!!

There is a Messenger Forum here ! u culda posted it there simply ! and wouldnt be sorry ! NO offence !

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Originally posted by billywoods1
Looks like I need to change my signature...

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Originally posted by Bishan
WalaikumAssalaam (Hi back 2 u) !!!!

There is a Messenger Forum here ! u culda posted it there simply ! and wouldnt be sorry ! NO offence !

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http://www.mess.be/msn6programming.htm !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
chek it out patchou

i installed it as soon as i found out, and i only clicked on the "adult" shortcut to support Patchou, and thats the only reason

To be quite honest, if I had any money, I'd send Patchou a cheque as fast as I could. He deserves it. But if he really wants money, I thought he'd rather have put clean adverts on there, that way 95% of his current users would have installed it.

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Originally posted by Bishan
WalaikumAssalaam (Hi back 2 u) !!!!

There is a Messenger Forum here ! u culda posted it there simply ! and wouldnt be sorry ! NO offence !

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I just said it in cortesy...

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Originally posted by billywoods1
But if he really wants money, ...

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Yeah, the problem is, people aren't.  I think that's a shame so I've registered with Paypal and as soon as it gets activated I'm sending $5 to Patchou (which is what, 500 clicks on a sponsored link?) and I encourage you all to do the same.  I think many of you just don't get round to it, and would pay him if the need arises.
Go Patchou!

Once again, I have to tell you that I don't understand... why the hell do you complain when you have the option not to install the ad? please think about that. I'm giving you a CHOICE.

Patchou is very loyal to the people that download his software, As with the original Plus!, note the line "Plus! Will Always Be Free".  Even though you have the option to install ads, you dont have to, its just a way to help patchou.

Riteon Patchou ! U made it clear but some just dont get it ! and others installed it on accident but if u didnt like having adware then just dont install it !THE CHOICE IS THERE AFTERALL ! SHEEESH ! thts like the simplest thing ever !!!!!! and dont bother him and whine abt not having this n that ! he got better stuff to do ! as long as he keeps it with an option then i dont see any troubles but even if its NOT i will install it to show my loyalty to Patchu and MP!
MP! FOREVER !
L8r!

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Originally posted by Bishan
Dont bother him and whine abt not having this n that ! he got better stuff to do!

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Yes and thats EXACTLY why i am trying to make ppl see as much as possible not to bother with old issues like tht ! BESIDES ON THE VERY TOP OF THE MAIN FORUM PAGES ITS CLEARLY WRITTEN THT MP! DUZZNT WORK ON 6 ! PPl shuld see more carefully b4 doing in an old set of Q's !

yipeeeeeeee new msn plus! woohoo

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Originally posted by Bishan
Riteon Patchou ! U made it clear but some just dont get it ! and others installed it on accident but if u didnt like having adware then just dont install it !THE CHOICE IS THERE AFTERALL ! SHEEESH ! thts like the simplest thing ever !!!!!! and dont bother him and whine abt not having this n that ! he got better stuff to do ! as long as he keeps it with an option then i dont see any troubles but even if its NOT i will install it to show my loyalty to Patchu and MP!

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Note to Bishan it's NOT a clear choice it looked to me more like a license agreement for Messenger Plus then for the sponsor program and since i'm a new user to Messenger Plus i just accepted it and installed while finding out later that it installed that crap sponsor program and i don't think Patchou checked his whole system after uninstalling cause uninstalling doesn't remove all the stuff which the sponsor program puts on your pc. And since Ad Aware for example doesn't find anything yet this program installs lots of memory hogging and unnecessary stuff is left on your pc. You should have tested this sponsor program more carefull b4 putting it in your program. I really like Messenger Plus you have done some great work making it, but i think you'll make the necessary adjustments for the next release

Hey Man Billy ! SORRY NO OFFENCE I MEANT BUT I DID and have been reading and i just posted my thought like u did ! OK i admit it musta been a bit harsh but trust me i do agree with u but as far as i think, when we are given a choice and if i dont install the adware then wht harm will or can it do ? ??

bishan is totally right

yeah...like i said b4 "some have installed it BY MISTAKE !" and Sorry about ALL u guys who did install it and are suffering and i think it should have been checked farther more by Patchou b4 he put it up so soon coz he said the test week will be soon but i dont blame him either coz a LOT of ppl have been literally gagging for an update though for the version 6 ! he's working his ass off for us all now to get us the version 6 compatible MP! and u know better than me tht requires a LOT of work maybe he just didnt have it in the right mind and added it or somthing ! i just dont see it fair for everyone over here complaining about it where we shuld be encouraging him though if u hav a complaint i wont ever offend u or anything ! we are all here for one purpose dont forget that and that is MAINLY to help him ANYHOW in anymeans possible ! thts all ! NO OFFENCE AND PLEASE NO HARD FEELINGS OK ?

Thnx Supa ! !

I'm not gonna install these ads just to get rid of the MSN Messenger ad later. That makes no sense.
Sorry Patch.

u mean to remove the msn ad thingy ? at the bottom ? if so then use the remover patch ! otherwise if thts not IT then i musta misunderstood  ! !

o i get it ! for later u meant ! like when its compatible for 6 and the adware is there,stoopid me ! actually my grey matter's overloaded now ! sawie !  but urmmm....well if u were given the choice to NOT install the "SMUT" then ? Coz as far as u dont "accidentally" install it then its not causing u any harm right ? but its helping Patchou ! n i really should say the porn linx were a bummer ! dissapointing totally !

There are 4 new API's that have been found for messenger 6.0! If you didn't already know that is.....

Cheers
KJG

Yep...

-The API's
-Programming Article

Hi there

It isnt fun anymore! MsgPlus! .36 sux, Sorry....
Because there are hundred of thousends of people that are NOT 18 years old using MsgPlus and I think (like there parents) it's NOT good if they see stuff like porn.

YES, I KNOW THAT YOU CAN CHOOSE THE INSTALLATION TYPE...

Ok, I understand Patchou needs money, but if it's free for years why now there is a sponsor pragramm (and not one year ago)? I'll see at the next release but if theres add-ware in it too, I'll quit using MsgPlus and I know, *You* know and Patchou knows I'm not the only one...

I would pay Patchou within 3 days but there's only one reason:
Get rid of the smut!!!!

Yes, why on earth a PORN sponsor? When there are so many more! I do not get this

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Hi there

It isnt fun anymore! MsgPlus! .36 sux, Sorry....
Because there are hundred of thousends of people that are NOT 18 years old using MsgPlus and I think (like there parents) it's NOT good if they see stuff like porn.

YES, I KNOW THAT YOU CAN CHOOSE THE INSTALLATION TYPE...

Ok, I understand Patchou needs money, but if it's free for years why now there is a sponsor pragramm (and not one year ago)? I'll see at the next release but if theres add-ware in it too, I'll quit using MsgPlus and I know, *You* know and Patchou knows I'm not the only one...

I would pay Patchou within 3 days but there's only one reason:
Get rid of the smut!!!!

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Please checkout http://msgplus.mybboard.com/showthread.php?tid=10869&pid=80273.

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Please checkout http://msgplus.mybboard.com/showthread.php?tid=10869&pid=80273.

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But MARK my words ! MP! will never lose much of its users (maybe lose a battle but not the WAR !)

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Thank you . I love receiving postcards from my users

patchou couldnt you just find some sort of way to get people to donate through the program instead of the site? maybe in the preferences or install or sumthing?  cause if you could get people to donate like $0.15 thats like 600 grand. thats more than the average income in a family a year.  even if half the users donate thats still 300,000

soryy i will not install .36 but i have my reasons: i dont have msn messenger 6and even if i did i'm only 13   (couldnt you get get like a home buisness software designing? thats wat my neighbor does..)i wonder if microsoft would hire a programmer like you *cough*steal*cough*info*cough*

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Originally posted by pablotossi
and i send a postcard for you and raddie,
thanks form your FREE job for US,
see you!!

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lizard.boy: if you're only 13, just unselect the sponsor checkbox and proceed with the installation . As for donating, some people do, which is very nice, but most don't and that's one of the reasons why I created the postcard support program. I prefer receiving postcards instead of a weekly $10 .

I honestly don't see what everyones problem is. If you don't like the ads, don't install them!

Hell, if you'd bother to read the "license agreements" for once, you'd realise that the ads are installed by default and that you can uncheck the option to install them.

I have a question though, not neccessarily directed at Patchou but with this version, is all compatability with MSN v6 removed? I know that with .35 on Windows XP and MSN v6 I was able to use some function such as boss protection and personalized away.

Anyone?

*crazihouse hiring sniper and paying for taxi fare to redmond, washington*

p.s. patchou, is it alright if i send you a postcard from montreal even though i live 20 minutes away from you?

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I honestly don't see what everyones problem is. If you don't like the ads, don't install them!

Hell, if you'd bother to read the "license agreements" for once, you'd realise that the ads are installed by default and that you can uncheck the option to install them.

I have a question though, not neccessarily directed at Patchou but with this version, is all compatability with MSN v6 removed? I know that with .35 on Windows XP and MSN v6 I was able to use some function such as boss protection and personalized away.

Anyone?

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Everyone,
Your attention please...

There is a better way to get revenue from plus! without resorting to spyware, or relying on donations.

MSN Messenger comes with an ad-bar at the bottom of the main window, and most Plus! users turn it off, but what if every 1/10 times the main window is opened, a Plus! ad will load there instead. and for those that choose to keep the MSN Ads, there would be both the MSN ad and the Plus! ad on top of each other

It is legal, it is simple, it will bring revenue every 1/10 times the main window on everyone's MSN is open (if it's pay-per-view), and it has my support.

Just my two cents.

(example attached)

I think thats the best way SMG. I support your idea fully

I also like that idea!!

Perfect idea.

Now that's illegal. Patchou can't legally replace the Microsoft ad with one of his own.

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Now that's illegal. Patchou can't legally replace the Microsoft ad with one of his own.

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The current ad method is fine... enough said.. Show your support for Plus! by sacrificing no more than 30pixels of your monitor when you have IE open....geez..

The current ad method is not fine, it's intrusive, annoying and smutty (albeit indirectly), and most of Patchou's users aren't old enough anyway.

so most of my users won't install the sponsor... well, that should make them happy don't you think?

About your suggestion, thank you for that but I'm not sure that it's the way I want to go right now... adding ads in Messenger itself could make me cross the line of Microsoft tolerance.

You have a point there, Patchou..

Anyways, would you tell me what that sponsor includes?
I'm thinking of reinstalling Plus! with it enabled.... But I can't install it if it's porn, cos this computer is not all mine..

please no cydoor lol

Actually I dont think it is
Or at least that's what i hope

Well, I'm not a C++ pro , nor am I a professional programmer, but what I know: it'll take some time to develop MSGPLUS for MSN 6 (first, the changed API; second: the additional functions of MSN 6 (and enhanced protcol used)).
It's too bad that M$ doesn't want patchou to develop his great plugin.
M$ should encourage Patchou, because without him many people would have used Jabber, Y!, AIM, ICQ etc by now.  The only features in MSN that are great are added by Patchou.  
(I think we all have to support Patchou, in 2 ways: boycot M$ if they won't allow Patchou to create MsgPlus! anymore and second install the adds from Patchou!!)

I h8 M$ because their closed-source policy, all their programs are closed-source (except if you are rich) and their MSN protocol isn't documented (oh, yes it is documented, version1 [MSN 5 uses version 8] )

Your'e so damn right on this, Illusion

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Originally posted by skribb
You have a point there, Patchou..

Anyways, would you tell me what that sponsor includes?
I'm thinking of reinstalling Plus! with it enabled.... But I can't install it if it's porn, cos this computer is not all mine..

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Originally posted by cristella
XSpikeX and Koala Blue, how about both of you install msg plus again and tick the agreement box then if you think this added stuff is great, and yes there are pops ups and porn, you install and you will see for yourself. And yes a format was the only way to take away all traces of the program, and no i dont use aol XSpikeX, i use a local isp with a great user to modem ratio which also never disconnects me. I think you are the one who is like the aol idiots for not being aware of that this "latest version" has porn crap.

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cristella, I installed Messenger Plus with the sponsor program........other than a few icons on my desktop (which were easily deleted) and extra links added to my favorites, i have yet to receive any of the popups or porn that you have described.......and as for the search bar, it is quite small, not like others that i have installed and i also find some of the search topics quite interesting......ie. computers, news, music, education........

I will admit that i hesitated in installing the sponsor program after what i had been reading on these forums.......but i would never know for sure unless i did install......so now i have it installed and wonder what all the fuss is about.......

I also feel good knowing that i can help support Patchou because i realise the amount of time and effort he has put into making users of Plus happy.......

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Thanks Koala Blue

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Originally posted by Patchou
SMG, I dont have a list of everything that is done. However, for what I've seen, it adds a search bar to internet explorer and some shortcuts in the desktop after installation. Again, be sure that I'm puting a lot of pressure on my sponsor partner to avoid too much anoying ads. I trust them and I trust the fact that except for some ads and casino stuff, theres nothing more.

Anyway, next week will be a test week so I'll quickly know the general user opinion about this.

Oh, and, I know I didnt want to talk about Messenger 6 anymore for now but, just to let you know... finally it looks not that bad. However, even if I make it work, it won't be before some time as there's a lot to code.

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Salaam (hi),

Read what PATCHOU said in his 'Anouncement'

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Originally posted by w_y3k
Salaam (hi),

Read what PATCHOU said in his 'Anouncement'

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Originally posted by neophil
I did'nt watch the lines about the Sponsor Partner

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i lauchend ADAWARE, and it found effectivly some spywares installed with the "package"

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I did'nt read all the precedent posts here 'cause i'm very sad of that kind of Practicing

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Messenger Plus WAS a good idea till it was free and/or without such shame process (it reminds me how "Babylon translator" did their business also)

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this is going out to all those abusing Patchou about having a sponsor...

he made this for people to use, if u dont like it, make your own!!

you have a choice to use it, u have the choice to update and u have the choice to have the sponsor or not!!!

read god dammit...read the announcements that say what the new version contains before down loading it and then abusing and cursing any one who tells the truth.  

Grow up, remember this is your own choice and thank Patchou for creating such a wonderful product rather then abusing him for ur mistakes.

Patchou, Plus rules and i think that the idea of a sponsor or what you want to do is good as it is your product.. well done and keep up the good work

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urh... ADaware finds more than spyware, it deletes adaware too. So not everything that adaware detects is spyware.
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Spyware is installed after doing the edverisment tool of MSG PLUS!.

I Restored my computer to remove lop.com, i dont like that page.

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Originally posted by SMG
I've got another Idea: how about putting an ad in the conversation window instead(if user selects it)? hell you can even put an ad in Plus>About... too.

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that guy earlier sed hes to yung for sponser program
wats it involve havin a sponser program??????

I'll want to say one thing i still use the 2.10.0035 because i had no problems with it so maybe  i will update it when it is compatible with Messenger 6.
ik vind mooi qoute from: Ali osram

How can u NOT see the question about the Sponsor Program??
It pops up right infront of u!!

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urh... ADaware finds more than spyware, it deletes adaware too. So not everything that adaware detects is spyware.
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Are you saying it deletes itself?


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I Restored my computer to remove lop.com, i dont like that page.
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One time (only once tho) I got that site when I tried to play a game...  Instead of going to Bejeweled, MSN 6 displayed lop.com


And finally, I have a question...  Is this Sponsor Program installed for every user on the computer? Or just the current one?
See, I don't mind the program, but my mom does...  Is there any way to fix this?

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urh... ADaware finds more than spyware, it deletes adaware too. So not everything that adaware detects is spyware.
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Are you saying it deletes itself?

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Originally posted by SMG
I've got another Idea: how about putting an ad in the conversation window instead(if user selects it)? hell you can even put an ad in Plus>About... too.

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this is another excelent idea !!!!!!!!! in conversation window OR/AND in setup window is the best way to show the sponsor banner o mention, without intrusision for our IE!!
THINK about it!!!


ouch!!! ONE mounth for the version MSN6 compatible?????
i read about it in mess.be!!!
hurry UP patchou!!!!!!!!!



txs for all at this time!!!! we expected for more!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by deathemperor2003
that guy earlier sed hes to yung for sponser program
wats it involve havin a sponser program??????

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Little kids dont know that :/

Well, I don't like adware of any kind installed on my computer.  When prompted during the install I opted out of the sponsor program.

I definitely understand Patchou's concern about making money from MsgPlus.  It is a great program and I hate using Messgenger without it.  Unfortunately, I am unwilling to support any adware applications.  As much as Patchou may attempt to control the content that is served, those running these adware applications are not known for their integrity.  I have been caught in Pop-Up Hell too many times and have had to resort to killing Explorer from the Task Manager to get out of them.

I know MsgPlus has been touted as 'Always Free', but I think it is time to change that.  Patchou has created a product that MANY people like, people should be willing to pay for a quality application.

How about 'MsgPlus Pro'?  Just put the basic features into the free version and sell the more robust application.  That or the free version comes with the sponsor program and the Pro version comes without it?  You don't want ads, pay for the program!

I am definitely not slamming Patchou in any way, I understand the reasons why he made this decision.  I just hope that there is another solution that will put some money in his pocket.

btw: I did donate.  With 4 million users, it only takes a small percentage of us to make it worth Patchou's time and effort.

i think the advertising thing is silly, i didnt install it because it contains harmful content, adult sites this is too extreme, and little child could install it by accident, they may not even read the information about it. I am trying to help eliminate this kind of stuff on the net, so if this is not removed in the next version i am going to have to stop promoting msg plus and stop using it and tell many people about the dangers of it for children, sorry to be blunt about this.

If it was safe, no adult content etc then it would be fine, a banner ad in the contact bar would be better but only if it is safe

so much for "final version" and since i missed being a beta tester last time, can i be a beta tester for MSN Plus! 2.5?

yeah i was asking patchou if u could be a tester too please? id like to help

sorry mistake in it

yeah, I was asking patchou if I could be a tester too, please? id really like to help.

thanks

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Originally posted by Ñ y S û P å S t @ ®
yeah i was asking patchou if u could be a tester too please? id like to help

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we'll see

200 testers is good enough

200? rofl

so is plus gonna b able 2 continue, it dus sound like it but i havnt heard a difinitive answer

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Originally posted by tomfletcherman
so is plus gonna b able 2 continue, it dus sound like it but i havnt heard a difinitive answer

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Originally posted by Chrono
200 testers is good enough

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200 is a lot they need like 10 that should be enough

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Originally posted by Ñ y S û P å S t @ ®
200 is a lot they need like 10 that should be enough

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one thing I dont understand is what is the problem of just releasing the program. i mean... we dont pay for it and we know its an addon  (not from microsoft) so if it has problems we are taking the risk... and I am sure we all want to take the risk
so... why dont have all of us beta testing???
Msg plus (and other programs) can be our little baby.
But its just my idea

Stop asking about beta teting please. There's no use asking.

sum plz paste da link 4 10.0036!!!!!!!!!

www.msgplus.net

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Originally posted by npierri
... and I am sure we all want to take the risk

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I would just like to say, I support and understand Patchou's problem, and I would be willing to install the sponsor program to help, but the only thing that stops me is the fact that I am not the only one that uses this computer. I am sure the other people that use it would not appreciate the actions caused by this program.
Sorry Patchou, but i would prefer perhaps banner ads in the MsgPlus preferences (this was mentioned a while back).

u wouldnt want this ad program on ur 'puter dogg!!!!!
Just READ da posts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by Quack
u wouldnt want this ad program on ur 'puter dogg!!!!!
Just READ da posts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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* Wabz thinks helping Patchou is c00l plus I find more porn hehe

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Originally posted by wabz
* wabz thinks helping Patchou is c00l plus I find more porn hehe

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Im sure everyone will be glad when you patchou have finished the Msn Plus! for us we will be so greatful
to  patchou! and from me

Patchou 4 the Msg Plus!!! Pls do work on it...I can't wait till the release of the Msg Plus tt is compatible with MSN 6

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Originally posted by npierri
one thing I dont understand is what is the problem of just releasing the program. i mean... we dont pay for it and we know its an addon  (not from microsoft) so if it has problems we are taking the risk... and I am sure we all want to take the risk
so... why dont have all of us beta testing???
Msg plus (and other programs) can be our little baby.
But its just my idea

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at last someone who understands...

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Originally posted by Patchou
at last someone who understands...

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Originally posted by billywoods1
Messenger Plus! isn't a little baby.

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Nice one GFD ...you have too much time on your hands

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Originally posted by DXtremz
you have too much time on your hands

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Wery nice picture

* Vilkku slaps the Plus! baby and around a bit with a large trout.

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Originally posted by Patchou
Once again, I have to tell you that I don't understand... why the hell do you complain when you have the option not to install the ad? please think about that. I'm giving you a CHOICE.

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Now that's illegal. Patchou can't legally replace the Microsoft ad with one of his own.

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At least, some of them (or more) leaked plus, which is not a good reason for sending them the new version.

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i sorta agree with the releasing alpha versions, but i think this shud b done in a productive way, like using every1 as a beta tester, but the condition 2 b using the newest version shud b th@:

everytime u go on the internet plsu downloads a huge dump txt fiel (i think its called) which has every problem th@ has occured with the nu version in. if u then encounter a problem with the nu version, it adds it 2 the txt fiel nd sends it ova 2 ur server. then a txt file with only 1 copy of all rpoblems is put 4 the nxt time sum1 goes on the internet 2 b downlaoded. this way u get a nice list of all the errors nd then can sort them out. dusnt sound quite rite but i rlly want tH@ nxt version.

That would be WAY to much trouble. Some of my dump files are 10MB...and also, Patchou needs to be able to talk to his beta testers, to figure out exactly whats going on. if 4 million people were beta testers, that wouldnt be possible. Patchous current way of testing is quite efficient.

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Why not follow the standard way of doing things for free software.

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when are u supposed to get an info message when ur plus is outdated?
Cuz i'm using 2.10.0035 and i never get any message about .0036

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Originally posted by Markus
when are u supposed to get an info message when ur plus is outdated?
Cuz i'm using 2.10.0035 and i never get any message about .0036

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Messenger Plus Bundling Lop.com

Many of you may have heard of a program called Patchou's "Messenger Plus". I used it myself once, before I discovered Trillian. Similar to the many front end programs for Internet Explorer (Avant browser, MyIE2, etc), Messenger Plus adds a user interface to Microsoft's MSN Messenger that contains extra features.

Patchou has brought in C2Media as a sponsor and is now bundling their lop.com software into Messenger Plus. For those of you who have never heard of it, lop.com software is classified as a trojan by antivirus vendors and as a browser hijacker by antispyware vendors. You can find plenty of information about it by doing a Google search for lop.com. Just be warned - some of the language used by lop victims will melt your monitor.

http://www.spywareinfo.com/

I must say I will never use it again!

I shall spread the WORD!!!!!

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Originally posted by pissed-off
Messenger Plus Bundling Lop.com

Many of you may have heard of a program called Patchou's "Messenger Plus". I used it myself once, before I discovered Trillian. Similar to the many front end programs for Internet Explorer (Avant browser, MyIE2, etc), Messenger Plus adds a user interface to Microsoft's MSN Messenger that contains extra features.

Patchou has brought in C2Media as a sponsor and is now bundling their lop.com software into Messenger Plus. For those of you who have never heard of it, lop.com software is classified as a trojan by antivirus vendors and as a browser hijacker by antispyware vendors. You can find plenty of information about it by doing a Google search for lop.com. Just be warned - some of the language used by lop victims will melt your monitor.

http://www.spywareinfo.com/

I must say I will never use it again!

I shall spread the WORD!!!!!

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Originally posted by pissed-off
Messenger Plus Bundling Lop.com

Many of you may have heard of a program called Patchou's "Messenger Plus". I used it myself once, before I discovered Trillian. Similar to the many front end programs for Internet Explorer (Avant browser, MyIE2, etc), Messenger Plus adds a user interface to Microsoft's MSN Messenger that contains extra features.

Patchou has brought in C2Media as a sponsor and is now bundling their lop.com software into Messenger Plus. For those of you who have never heard of it, lop.com software is classified as a trojan by antivirus vendors and as a browser hijacker by antispyware vendors. You can find plenty of information about it by doing a Google search for lop.com. Just be warned - some of the language used by lop victims will melt your monitor.

http://www.spywareinfo.com/

I must say I will never use it again!

I shall spread the WORD!!!!!

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Originally posted by pissed-off
Messenger Plus Bundling Lop.com

Many of you may have heard of a program called Patchou's "Messenger Plus". I used it myself once, before I discovered Trillian. Similar to the many front end programs for Internet Explorer (Avant browser, MyIE2, etc), Messenger Plus adds a user interface to Microsoft's MSN Messenger that contains extra features.

Patchou has brought in C2Media as a sponsor and is now bundling their lop.com software into Messenger Plus. For those of you who have never heard of it, lop.com software is classified as a trojan by antivirus vendors and as a browser hijacker by antispyware vendors. You can find plenty of information about it by doing a Google search for lop.com. Just be warned - some of the language used by lop victims will melt your monitor.

http://www.spywareinfo.com/

I must say I will never use it again!

I shall spread the WORD!!!!!

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First, as I stated earlier, I do support MsgPlus, and have done so via PayPal.  I commend Patchou for his great work.  Now, on to the fun part of the post!!

No matter how you look at it, the lop.com stuff is spyware.  If it hijacks your DNS, EVERY page you hit goes through their servers.  If you value your privacy, this is a very bad thing.

AdWare, in my opinion, is just one step better than a trojan or virus.  Many of these put you into pop-up hell, and some of the ads show content that is inappropriate for younger people.  Even if I were the only person using my PC, if my 7 year old son were to walk up behind me and see an ad for something adult oriented, I would be pretty upset.

I am very grateful that Patchou has given us the opportunity to choose whether to install this.  I made my choice, and am glad that he is modifying the installation process to make this even clearer so that fewer people will mistakenly install it.

Some have said that they will not install this on their computer, but they will install it on as many as they can is absolutely INSANE!!!!  By doing this, you are deciding for other unsuspecting people that they want spyware and that their privacy is unimportant.  Pretty presumptuous if you ask me.

The right answer is that if Patchou wants to make money from this product, he needs to start charging for it.  The program is not great because it is free, it is great for it's features.  I donated, and would willingly pay a reasonable price for this software.

Hey thanks Patchou i just hope maybe you will get some donations and good luck with plus for messenger 6.

Your Friend,
Shadow

Whoa!!

I sometimes see people double post...sometimes even tripe post...but was it really necessary to post that message five times?

EDIT: Surfi must have deleted the extras.

Pretty Cool
MSG PLUS Rulez
Thanks Patchou

What's all this fuss about the Spy- and Adware?? Personally, I will never install it (sorry Patchou), because I just want my private information to be private. Only since Patchou gives you the CHOICE to install this I do not think anyone should complain! If you don't like the Spy- and Adware UNINSTALL MESSENGER PLUS! AND INSTALL IN AGAIN WITHOUT IT!!!!

TheKing is back in Town

why would your private info no longer be private?

* Mat3 wonders when wdz will make Ignorance a bannable offence.


Oh Come on you must all be getting annoyed by people calling an optional ad-program "spy-ware"? Its really beginning to bug me. I don't personallly have an opinion on the sponsor program, and I don't think anyone (except maybe Patchou) should. I think people should however release they are entitled to nothing and adware + spyware are 100% legal even unmarked.

BUT PLUS CONTAINS NEITHER.

Well actually Sponsor Program kind of equals adware, but I've seen two or three definitions of Adware and the sponsor program is optional and marked so it isn't proper adware.

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Well actually Sponsor Program kind of equals adware, but I've seen two or three definitions of Adware and the sponsor program is optional and marked so it isn't proper adware.

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I am disgusted at this community's support for Patchou. After all he has done for this community, the minute he asks for financial support, you back away, and boycott his software. The attitude towards this sponsor addition to Messenger Plus! is atrocious! Patchou has every right to do whatever he wishes with his software, when you install it, there IS an agreement, if you don't read it, it is your problem

and DON'T tell me 98% of us don't read it, that is not my problem. The agreement between Patchou and yourself is in effect at the time of installation. Don't like the sponsors? you shouldn't have agreed to install it then, regardless if you read the agreement or not. It is your fault for not reading the "fine print".

All this time you have been supporting Patchou, and the minute he really needs your support, you desert him, sad, really sad.
Microsoft charges for their software and yet, do you moan and complain to/at them? (i know, not a really good comparison, but eh). As far as i know, there _IS_ an option to not install the sponsor, don't like helping Patchou financially? then don't install the sponsor, but PLEASE stop complaining as it is getting no where. It is only annoying the community members, like myself, and it is annoying the forum staff. Furthermore it is making Patchou's work more stressful. I mean Patchou could stop programming Messenger Plus! and you wouldn't be able to do a THING to stop him. Programming takes time, and providing a source to download from takes money.

Think about it, your complaining will change nothing.

Thanks Hova for providing proof, that what i am saying is in fact true

Well... ehm.... I feel... kinda.... ashamed ... i really thought it contained spyware! sorry... well in return i will immediately re-install plus! with the sponsor.... sorry Patchou should've known you better

technically i think it did contain spyware but patch's sponser was supposed to remove it

The spyware portion of the sponsor program was when it hijacked the DNS server.  This causes ALL of your page requests to go through their servers.  This gives them the ability to spy on your internet usage.

If your definition of spyware is that it is tracking keystrokes or running  behind the scenes to scour your hard drive for information, your definition of spyware is incorrect.  Those would be viruses or trojans.

Also, as soon as you install an adware program, even if that program itself contains no spyware, you will most likely be presented web pages that contain it.  Most of the web pages that come up with adware programs use Cookies.  Some of these can track your navigation through the internet.  The worst sites offer to install seemingly innocent programs that give you a small useful function (keeping your clock accurate) but their main purpose is to track your web usage.

MsgPlus DOES NOT contain adware, spyware, viruses or trojans.  The sponsor program which is optional IS adware and by my definition is also spyware.

Patchou, I am very grateful that you have given each user the option to either install the sponsor program or not.  I suggest that you keep a free version of MsgPlus that contains the sponsor program and it is not optional to install, but also make a paid version of the program that does not contain the sponsor program.  Hopefully this will give you the income you desire and keep people from complaining.

Keep up the good work, MsgPlus is great!

I have to admit, the sponsor choice is poor, but understandable.

This crap happens all the time - Freeware developers make such a great product for the public, they start seeking ways of finding ways to receive compensation for their hard work. What they/you fail to realize is, the majority of the public are leeching assholes, literally. Lets face it, no one wants to pay nor wants any inconvienence in achieving that goal. This is where I say the Ad ideas are totally bogus - Would you use an OS that poped up a big black Microsoft logo, in standard banner size, in the bottom corner of your screen every other day/week? No you wouldn't, despite what you may say.

The only somewhat-viable solution here is to split Messenger Plus! development in some way, such as Trillian - Having a deluxe suite for those low-degree leechers that don't mind paying a little, and a lite version for those that insist on being cheap. Downside you ask? Piracy. Again using Trillian as an example here, who -doesn't- have access to the Pro version binaries and their serials? To help counteract that, however (taking Microsoft's idea), you can implement required activation however it's still a lose-lose situation, patchou, and i'm sadded to see you put in that position.

May you somehow resolve your problems and continue development of your successful project(s).

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Originally posted by gotpez
... MsgPlus DOES NOT contain adware, spyware, viruses or trojans.  The sponsor program which is optional IS adware and by my definition is also spyware...

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VORTE[x]

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Originally posted by gotpez
... MsgPlus DOES NOT contain adware, spyware, viruses or trojans.  The sponsor program which is optional IS adware and by my definition is also spyware...

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I agree, as people misuse the word spyware ALL THE TIME. The sponsor program in Plus does install software that sends gathered demographic/statistical data, however, it was LEGALLY AND RIGHTFULLY PRECEDED by a complete and truthful disclosure of proposed backchannel usage. It is the user's responsibility to read it, end of story.

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Originally posted by vorte[x]
The only somewhat-viable solution here is to split Messenger Plus! development in some way, such as Trillian - Having a deluxe suite for those low-degree leechers that don't mind paying a little, and a lite version for those that insist on being cheap.

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Originally posted by vorte[x]
I agree, as people misuse the word spyware ALL THE TIME. The sponsor program in Plus does install software that sends gathered demographic/statistical data, however, it was LEGALLY AND RIGHTFULLY PRECEDED by a complete and truthful disclosure of proposed backchannel usage. It is the user's responsibility to read it, end of story.

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* Guido stands up

thks patchou, continue 2 work on MSN Messenger 6!!! I will give u mental support ('cause I can't do anything about it )

Patchou's such a whore.

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Originally posted by TheGreatDave
Patchou's such a whore.

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Originally posted by TheGreatDave
Patchou's such a whore.

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Well, I hav to agree with these people:
Patchou ain't a whore , everybody Patchou (except the 'Great'Dave and M$ perhaps)

oh, and just a  question for you, 'Great'Dave:
"If you think Patchou sucks , why do you use / and why do you come to his forum ? And don't say you don't use / , 'cause else you wouldn't be on this forum!!!!"

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Originally posted by ILUsion
oh, and just a  question for you, 'Great'Dave:
"If you think Patchou sucks , why do you use / and why do you come to his forum ? And don't say you don't use / , 'cause else you wouldn't be on this forum!!!!"

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whats your problem dave?
patchou is the greatest
you dont have to call someone that developps software for us thats FREE and that actually works! *caugh* microsoft *caugh*
if you have nothing good to say, keep it to yourself or go make your own add-on for msnmsg

Right,
msg @ 'Great'Dave (actually, it had to be not-so-great-Dave):
if you think Patchou sucks, that's fine with me (it's your oppinion), but don't use his software, forum and bandwith, develop your own add-on and you'll see how difficult it is !! (Especially with those M$-developpers , they always use a feature to stop Patchou's plug-in)

Dave's a ****ing ***** anyways... he most defently uses the software and no doubt likes it.  

He's probaly just some sad 45 year old lonely man posing as a young male... looking to bitch about something.

Get your own forums... or better yet quit wasting all our time.

I'm a new member... but I can spot a hardcore newb when I see one and well... I think we all know "Dave" is just trying to take some credit for all Patchou's hard work. Otherwise he probaly was just sexualy assaulted as a child and never got any help or counseling for it.

Me personaly, I think the guy is a ****ing wanker...!

PATCHOU ROCKS!!! (Keep up the good work man, I support yah.)

Dave... dane... they sound familiar to me.

God........NO!

Wait, he knows Dane...

Maybe he IS Dane...lol

Uhmmmm

* Chrono checks IP

Nice

the forum moderators must verify the legality of these posts, at all costs possible, otherwise this forum will be a world of anybody !!!!!!!

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Originally posted by pablotossi
the forum moderators must verify the legality of these posts, at all costs possible, otherwise this forum will be a world of anybody !!!!!!!

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Hey ! Don't slap my friend!

No sabe tanto inglés

it isn´t understood what I mean? I very badly writing and speaking ingles, but always, always, always I verify that the sense is understood of which I say!

grax gfd por defenderme!!!!!

De nada

se entiende cuando escribo en ingles?????

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Originally posted by pablotossi
se entiende cuando escribo en ingles?????

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