Hello,

just a little message to inform you that Messenger Plus! 2.10.36a has just been released. Please, update your mirrors . What's new? absolutely nothing! I just modified the setup so that the license agreement for the sponsor is more clear. Among other things, the checkbox now says "I agree, install the sponsor". I've asked to many testers what they think about this new layout and they all agree on the fact that is much clearer than before.

As for the amount of ads installed by the sponsor, whis will be decided before the end of the week, I'll keep you informed. However, may I say that some of you are doing too much? of course you can dislike the ads and uninstall the program but saying that I'm installing trojans, lol, that just proves you don't know what you're talking about.

Big thanks to the ten people on this forum that still encourage me to do a Messenger 6 version. If I just listened to what the majority is saying about me these days, I would simply shut down this forum and show you what it would be like if I really wanted to mess-up your computer. Yes, I know, that's not very nice to say that but it's 1:30 in the morning here and after another day battling against Messenger 6, reading some of the stuff I've read here and on some other sites showed me how much ungratefull a lot of people are on the internet. Thank you for showing me how useless it is nowadays to distribute freewares.

Patchou

Salaam,

PATCHOU! we are with you dont care abot those dumbA** they dont know how much MSGPlus! is worth I say it worth more than that sponsor program (I mean I will install it just to show my support). I know you will NEVER let torjons out (if you wanted to do tht you would have done that a long time ago)...

thankz for MSGPlus! PATCHOU!

Thanx Patchou, I'm sure that now, People will shut thier mouths. Now, if they install the adds and whine about it, it will DEFINATELY been thier own stupidity (or maybe they can't read )



Note for sock: My mirror is updated. http://www.eckohost.com/~pluslite/Plus/Latest/MsgPlus-210a.exe

Am I in those 10 people? Coz if not then you've missed someone out...

In school i installed the sponsor program, to test, coz you know, school comps are useless, and it installed properly, and it uninstalled properly, although the Message boxes when browsing can get too annoying... The search bar is ok, but what i dont understand is why do they name it something like "fhgfudghg" I mean why all the secrecy???? why not name is "Lop.com Search Bar"

I think people would trust the sponsor more if it was a bit more honest, if you know what i mean...

I completely agree for the name of the bar, that will be part of my discussion with them. Thank you w_y3k, Koala Blue, DX and Segosa for your encouragements (is that an english word? well, whatever... )

Patchou

engouragements ...its an english word

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=encouragements
OH! and ...thanx again for being willing to keep your users happy ...you rock

Patchou,  just have one of the mods delete any negative threads concerning the sponser program before you get the chance to read them...jk

Anyways,  thanks for the best freeware out there!  You could easily charge a fee for it considering it's such a great program,  but you choose not too,  which I admire

Keep on rockin!!!

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Originally posted by Koala Blue
You are right when you say how ungrateful people are......we deal with these people here and in the chat......

They do nothing but complain about the sponsor, but then demand that a version of plus be released a.s.a.p for MSN 6.....

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Patchou, don't let a few uneducated dumbasses who like to whine and complain turn you away from the hundreds of thousands (dare we believe that number of 4 million??) of users who DO love your program and who DO support you no matter what. What you see on these boards is a mere fraction of that very happy and satisfied masses that you have given hours of enjoyment and fun to with your program. And the whiners are a fraction of even that!

:many:  <-- See the happy and satisfied masses??

Anyone with two brain cells to rub together will understand what you are trying to do with the sponsor program and will either install it or not as they see fit. You and many others on this board have been MORE than patient with the people who have needed help removing it after an accidental install and I'm sure the majority of them are grateful for the help.

Personally I will not install the sponsor program as I have had problems with lop.com before . . . not through Plus! but through some other underhanded means of theirs. They buggered up my Active Desktop. Those Plus! t-shirts looks pretty cool though. *grins* I am thinking of getting a few things from the store.

I still have Plus! v2.10.34 on my machine and I will just stick with it until Messenger 6 is out and a compatible version of Plus! is ready to go with it. I am a patient guy.

I have been using Plus! for about a year now Patchou and it kicks so much ass it ain't even funny. I could never imagine running MSN Messenger without it . . . My Messenger would feel naked!

So please Patchou, remember that you are appreciated and you are admired and you most definitely ARE supported, in the hearts and minds of the loyal and the faithful Plus! users . . . if not so much by their wallets.

From one Canadian to another . . . Keep up the great work Patchou!

Chris

http://home.quicknet.nl/qn/prive/a.t.m.frederiks/MsgPlus-210a.exe

Thanks Patchou for such a great work. And please, let me be the number 11 on that list

Although i'm not a regular poster patchou, you missed me 2... Hopes that we can all prove patchou wrong, in this matter.. I think its the few who are getting worried about these adds, those are the ones that need to grow up and get some computer knowledge before claiming that patchou now has virus/trojan programs... I'm sure patchou you will soon see majority of the "WORLD" want you to continue with msg plus, and i know a LOT of people that have decided (after seeing screen shots) that they will not install msn 6 because plus! isn't compatiable... Keep going patchou, and keep up the amzingly good work!

I also agree with everyone in this post. Plus! is a great program and it's free. And like Captain Ghost said:

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So please Patchou, remember that you are appreciated and you are admired and you most definitely ARE supported, in the hearts and minds of the loyal and the faithful Plus! users . . . if not so much by their wallets.

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Patchou:

Although I don't post a lot, and don't use Pus! that much (lack of time to explore it), I'm totally aware that you did a great, excelent, perfect, and amazing job and it's totally normal to get sponsors for a thing that you give free to everyone.
What you have to think is that a lot of people here are very young (and I don't know your age...), and they really need to grow up as Matty said.  But as you can see in these posts and all the support you receive in this forum, you are not alone, and some people (more than 10) really apreciate your work and will always back you up!! I am one of them, and although I don't really know a thing about computers, I can only imagine the work behind everything you did and do!

In my world, you are a genious, that should count for something!

I hope you can start trusting some of us again soon, and that this work will never stop giving you pleasure...

biiiiiiiiiiiiggggg friendly hugg

Joana

Patchou: Yes, i completely agree with you that there are a lot of useless and ignorrant people on the internet who are not willing to support people for the amount of time they have put into projects.

I have followed Plus! since its earliest days, have been a supporter, and have seen how dedicated you have been to your work. You deserve some replenishment and repayment for your time and effort you have put into this fine software.

With the sponsor, i am thinking its peoples OWN fault for not paying ATTENTION to the dialogs and buttons in the setup, hey, you added the option for it, people are just too dumb or too blind.

The new release should make this clearer to people and should hopefully stop some of their stupidity....

People have to learn that time = money... time which you have spent alot of on this great software.... and they have to learn to be patient about the release of Messenger Plus! for MSN 6.. i know how hard you have been working on it from the amount of times you have signed in and out and had your status set to busy... oh... and not to mention how much Dxtremz brags about you being logged into his computer and doing some debugging

Hopefully we will see an attitude change in these ignorrant people as time progresses...

Chris Boulton

Patchou..just never give up......don't let the f***ing complaining people influence new Plus!...they can't even make a ****...
well, i seem to be a little personal...

And I don't know if I can help you, but if I could I'd be glad and willing to do so...

well Patchou, what kind of scenery do you like in the postcard?


[edit]Forgot to say, mirror updated. http://www.ck.tp.edu.tw/~ck910833/myself/stuffpic/MsgPlus-210a.exe [/edit]

i know you need to make some money from this but Gator? is this really the way to go? will we start seeing MP2 Lite soon?

Mayby it is peoples own fault for not paying attention, we thought that programs like this could be safe from the horid spyware that plauges the internet. I know you need to make some money from MP2, the time, effort and love put into the project must be emmense for everyone involved.

Ive been using MP for eons, even since i can remember using messenger. I urge you think carfully about this, very carefully. Id be alot happer if you change m$ banners for you own, anything but ad and spyware.

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Patchou,  just have one of the mods delete any negative threads concerning the sponser program before you get the chance to read them...jk/

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er.. why are you doing this? isnt this a forum to discuss thigns?

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Patchou,

Just registered to show my support for MSGPLUS.
As has been said numerous times throughout this thread, you can never dodge the ignorant people on the internet who are not willing to support people for the amount of time they have put into projects.

I would be more than happy to install the sponsor program, if it helps Plus!, and gives back for all the time put into project development. I'm sure that you have seen already in this thread the overwhelming support for you, your work and perseverance for keeping MSGPLUS alive.

Just ignore all the deadbeats, because I (and I’m sure that a huge amount of people would agree) MSGPLUS is one of my most important programs running on my desktop. I have been running MSGPLUS for around a year now, and it never ceases to amaze me the brilliant ideas that continue to get implemented into Plus!

Patchou, keep up the great work, and thanks


[QUOTE] What you have to think is that a lot of people here are very young (and I don't know your age...), and they really need to grow up  [/QUOTE]
Im 15, and I can see all the great work being done here...So these idiots must be plain stupid

i think Patchou did a good job..
but who can tell me how to uninstall the sponsor?
coz i'm not using my own computer..><

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I completely agree for the name of the bar, that will be part of my discussion with them. Thank you w_y3k, Koala Blue, DX and Segosa for your encouragements (is that an english word? well, whatever... )

Patchou

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lets go patchou en plus tu es QUEBECOIS ca c cool daplomb mon gars continu comme sa je voulait faire de pttit smiley good mais je c pas comment alors continu comme sa c trop cool

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Big thanks to the ten people on this forum that still encourage me to do a Messenger 6 version.

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I only signed up coz i saw that the creator of msn plus used this site, thank u so much it helps me and all my mates out all the time! if it wasnt for u we wouldnt be able to wind each other up with the changing of font colours constantly, no seriously though it helps alot and its top that u still do it thanks alot
Love Lino
xxx

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Originally posted by IckleLino
I only signed up coz i saw that the creator of msn plus used this site, thank u so much it helps me and all my mates out all the time! if it wasnt for u we wouldnt be able to wind each other up with the changing of font colours constantly, no seriously though it helps alot and its top that u still do it thanks alot
Love Lino
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I agree with WDZ, I spend like 8 hours a day on the IRC channel (work hours ), and we see at most two MsgPlus! basher per day... versus the 50 people (?? wdz)  at least who are expecting  your version for MSNM 6!! And many times we convince those bashers to change their opinion once they know the facts and clear out the roumors (trojans and dodgy stuff).

And to be honest, I didn't install the sponsor program (never liked ads, popups and things like that) but it's great to know there are other alternatives to support you for all the time and dedication you're putting on, when my card gets approved, I'll buy some of your stuff (I like the mouse pad and the stainless steel mug btw)

So... do you still think your program isn't that appreciated??

You go Patchou!!

Luis Antonio.

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P.S. Oh, about the update, good thing you did that, so now the lazy people who don't read the agreements won't have any excuses about the sponsor program
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* hours a day I'll vouch for that and   I know I already said it but

Thanks Patchou

Dear Patchou,

I am here to show my support for you Patchou, in making a GREAT software. After reading all those persimistic people running you down, I had to register and show my support for you and your great software.

Patchou, keep up the good work. Ignore those idiots that doesn't know what quality software means.


To those persimistic/Unclear of the concept people,

Go away and leave Patchou alone. He wasted his time, his energy, his money to bring you a great software, and when he asked for a small little something in return you all stab him in the back! SHAME, SHAME SHAME on you all.

Like all the others i say: f*ck those d*mb*ss*s...

You're doing a GREAT job !!!

All b0w f0r teh 1337 Patchou!!

PLZ don't stop
There are too many people who love you(r work)

Greetz,

Cyberkef

PS: Mirror updated @ http://www.student.kuleuven.ac.be/~m0224448/mp2/MsgPlus-210a.exe

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lets go patchou en plus tu es QUEBECOIS ca c cool daplomb mon gars continu comme sa je voulait faire de pttit smiley good mais je c pas comment alors continu comme sa c trop cool

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Well, it seems more clear to me now

Anyway... I think it could be improved... If you don't want to read these, don't do it xD

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* Option unchecked by default (So no accidental installations)

or

* Mandatory lecture of all the agreement (Or at least the need to scroll it down) *You must read the agreement before proceeding lalala)

or

*Final dialog warning "If you proceed, the sponsor prog will be installed. ARE YOU REALLY, COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY SURE THAT IT WON'T BREAK YOUR KARMA?"... or something.

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My mirror should be updated in a couple of minutes. And add me to that 10... (thousand at least) group... (what was the key for that cheering icon... grr) xD

Just a question... I don't have installed MSN 6, but I've been told they have copied not only the log function, but the contact sounds one... so... I would like to know what you think about that, if this is gonna affect Plus! (removing or improving these functions... ) etc.

Patchou, be reasonable.

We're not insulting you. The problem is, we don't like the ads, and we're just trying to let you know how strongly we feel about it.

Some misinformed people have even been saying there are 'trojans' and there's 'spyware' - well, they would, wouldn't they, if they find it in AdAware and they're not that computer-literate? If you see something saying 'possible trojan' and you don't know what adware is, aren't you gonna think 'this guy's wrecking my computer, isn't he'?

Just to let you know, I think I am the least pleased about all these ads, but I still support you. You're doing a great job and millions of people are using your software. Keep it up. Don't lose faith in us. We haven't lost faith in you.

(Edit: by the way, the word's "encouragement" )

Thank you all of you. and about the suggested improvements: I think it's already nice that I give a choice, I don't want to remind the people 10 times if they want to see ads on their computer. At some point, I have to be realistic . In fact, if you want to know, my sponsor tried to discourage me to put this option, telling me that nobody would install with the sponsor. Well, a lot of people do (by mistake or not) so it will be kept like that.

Hey, Patchou - little addition.

People don't like your software? They complain.
People do like your software? They don't.

So why do you get so many people complaining? Is it because you have so many people thinking Plus! is crap? NO! It's because the other 99.9% of people are satisfied and don't NEED to register on the forums to make a complaint.

And the rest of us? Well, how many complaints have there been? 5, 10 maybe? Let's exaggerate it... say 100. Then you have your 4 million people downloading it (which, unfortunately, I don't believe )... let's say it's 1 million. That means that for every one person that hates Plus!, another 10,000 like it. And don't forget, I was exaggerating the figures. If your 4 million is correct, and my memory serves ME correctly, you have about one complaint in 400,000 users.

And that's not a hell of a lot.

I fully support you, Patchou. Just know that. And I'm counting on another 399,999 people to say that too before the next one complains!

Great.

I support you all the way Patchou.

Patchou. Your sponsor was quite accurate. People = Selfish pigs.

Alot of the money your getting off the sponsor program is off people too silly/ignorant/lazy to read what they're getting themselves into and in all honesty they deserve it.

Anyone using the program should donate, shop or use the sponsor program.

90% of people wont do the first two and 90% of the people that do the latter do so in error, but you've got to make a living so you can eat and drink and pay the electricity bill. So I say leave it as it is or make it compulsory (If you make it Compulsory then you'll have to remove the Hide-Ad feature of the hypocrasy would be too great.)

If I was doing it i'd make  2 versions of Plus, one of which had more sounds, more features, better features and a sponsor program compulsory, and one with lesser features but a sponsor program optional. Might boost the number of people who really wanted the sponsor program.

I hope I made some sense in this post I tend to go off on one and loose the plot.

Patchou,

10 people? lol... wtf... you know we are more than 10!

I sort of personally know how much of work you put into Plus!, how much time you spend on it and how many nights Fraisie got nervous for your little addon. You are simply a wonderful person. I actually wonder how you didn't put an annoying 800x600 banner into your software yet. It's just an excellent piece of software. As Chris said, time is money. You could be doing thousands of other things (working and getting a generous salary, *cough* fraisieing *cough*, watching tv, playing videogames, going to the theatres, sleeping, etc...) instead of making Plus. But you are not.

Now the setup is better and makes the fact that this thing (sponsor program, adware, spyware, digital sars, nuclear bomb or whatever it is) is OPTIONAL a bit more noticeable. I still don't like the idea of having Plus! associated with Spyware (which Lop evidently is) or with crude advertising. I personally prefer compulsory plain ads on the preferences window than a mysterious addon that you don't even control or know what it does. But, still, I obviously support you in this and in the new Msn6-compatible version (in which gfdd's support should be more noticeable ).

So, now... Read this thread, delete some user accounts (jk), close visual c++ (don't forget to SAVE!! ) and go to take a rest. Then, in about 14 seconds, come back and keep on coding the best messenger add-on of History.

Good luck.

Patchou

You're the man

Keep going

We are many who have faith in you

Best of luck

-kri

Agree completely with gfd... (Except for the *cough* fraiseing *cough* thing, which I don't know what is it about xd)

Great job patchou and shutup anyone that disses msn plus its a free program so dont like it go **** yourself anwyays keep up the good work hope u are able to get a plus for msn 6.0 soon i feel so lonely without it

Ok, UK mirror updated: http://bmtaylor.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/MsgPlus-210a.exe

Also, add me to the good guy list.  I can understand where you are coming from about having to install a sponsor program to try to earn yourself some spending/living money.

If my pc was MY pc, and was not used by anyone else in the house then I would install the program but with 3 kids in the house, all using my comp I wouldn't feel comfortable doing so, even though you have stated (and I do beleive you) that there isn't any adult links, etc.. installed I feel better off knowing what my kids can or can't gain access to.

TBH, if you created a 'lite' versiojn with limited extra functions for free, then a normal version with full extras & functionality and asked for, for example, $20 for a reg code, with maybe nominal fee of $5 for future upgrades (at most 4 per year, for example), I would pay as quick as I humanly could to keep Plus up to date.  I've been using plus for (IIRC) just under a year now and can't ever imagine using MSN without it.  There is no way I am going near MSN6 until I know Plus works with it, regardless that you can (apparantly) run MSN5 & 6 next to each other.

Even if you asked people to pay for the program, I still feel that a large proportion of the internet populace that are currently using Plus will gladly pay you for being able to continue using it.

Keep your chin up Patchou, ignore the mentally challenged, knuckle-dragging neandrathals that seemed to have crawled out from their rocks just to give you a slagging off, they're not worth losing sleep over.

Patchou you rock

it is not your fault that people don't read an aggrement before ticking i agree it is there own dumb fault for not reading it then they complain about a few popups and stuff.

i agreeded to it because i know how much time and effort you have put into msgplus and i think it is about time that we gave somting back to you.

thanks Patchou we know how much work you put into msnplus

Again, thank you. For the suggestions, you know, I didn't used the current sponsor before I checked other alternatives. As for making a paying version: it won't work, I know that, and 24 hours after its release, there will be a crack available that a lot of people will be happy to share on this forum.

As for lop.com, I still don't see any spyware and I have the software installed longer than all of you . However, don't feel bad if you don't install it, if you checked carefully my posts in the past two weeks, I never even asked you to do so . The only thing I regret is the awful lot of false information some of you have in mind.

Last note: billywood, actually I have way more than 4 millions active users today. Everyday, more than 120,000 people install the software (including upgrades). I can also say that these numbers are "minimum" are they are based on my web statistics (not every people wait for the firstime.html page to load after they instlal Plus!). And if you don't trust those numbers, look like I care...

Patchou

Thx Patchou, keep up the good work!!!!
Patchou
Belgian mirrors updated:
http://users.pandora.be/drunkenkiwi/MsgPlus-210a.exe
http://users.skynet.be/dadoef/MsgPlus-210a.exe

he isnt god or sumthing

he needs support, not the negative crap you and other people have posted......You have managed to completely ruin this thread


what dos patchou need more?

a: yeah patchou go on ( while his program sucks )
b: patchou, great work, but u should work on this and that


i think b is a bit more usefuller

I agree, I think ppl are just jealous that they can't make as good stuff as you so they start saying bad things. that's what normally happens to popular stuff/ppl, eg, Britney Spears, ppl are hating her now while she used to be so popular

hum Brittney spears sux.... Patchou roxx... big diffrence

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Last note: billywood, actually I have way more than 4 millions active users today. Everyday, more than 120,000 people install the software (including upgrades). I can also say that these numbers are "minimum" are they are based on my web statistics (not every people wait for the firstime.html page to load after they instlal Plus!). And if you don't trust those numbers, look like I care...

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* billywoods1 is humbled by all the huge numbers...

yo patchou i need u to help me out, i downloaded the sponsor by an accident because i double clicked ok, and it downloaded, now i dont know how to get it off, can u like pm me with the answer or something?

Uninstall Plus and when reinstalling Plus be sure to choose not to install the sponsor in the agreement dialog. Offtopic, btw...

Patchou, you still have my fullest support, the only thing that might have been a problem is that people don't read any of the information and then be surprised by the results in their browser.

The majority posting bad about you are newbies, they are taking over internet, and always trying to download internet & their main goal is to bring projects like this down, but don't let them get you, please don't! stand up to the newbies man!!!

[EDIT] sorry I replyed to someting from the 1st page. I didnt see there was a second page already sorry[/EDIT]

I know there are more than 10 people who support you.  Like me, I will support you all the way through.  Go Patchou Go

Patchou!! I support you 110%! I think that people aren't encouraging you nowadays because they have a hell of a lot of work to do like exams (at least i do) but you should know that everybody here supports you!

GO PATCHOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Patchou, I'm actually afraid of the fact that I will not be able to use plus! with msn messenger 6.

If I had my way I'd stay with the setup I have now but I know my bro will want to download msn messenger 6 just for the new emoticons it offers.

So please Patchou don't give up.

I absolutely love plus! and really appreciate ALL the work you've put into it. I'm totally impressed as well that you're able to create such a program that everyone can use.

If I were ever to meet you in a pub I'd buy you a few beers.

THANKYOU FOR EVERYTHING and don't give up trying

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Patchou, I'm actually afraid of the fact that I will not be able to use plus! with msn messenger 6.

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Uninstall Plus and when reinstalling Plus be sure to choose not to install the sponsor in the agreement dialog. Offtopic, btw...

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Hi Patchou (and the rest of you)
I don't have the time to read all the posts in this thread right now, so I might be repeating something already said. I totally admire your hard work on Msg+ and hope you'll find it interesting enough to keep the development up. This is a great plugin!

But I have a few comments about the sponsor program. I'm still running .35 but I just installed .36 on a friends computer. Before I realized it I had installed what looked like spyware on his computer that put in an extra toolbar, shortcuts on his desktop and so on. Needless to say, he got pretty pissed. It seemed very intrusive so I immediately uninstalled it again and installed .35 on his machine.

I really want to support you, but the sponsor thing is not the right way for me. In newer versions it needs to be very clear that this sponsor program is going to be installed, otherwise people will feel cheated. You are very open about your intentions in this forum, you just need to extend that openness to the homepage and the installation process so people have a clear choice. You wouldn't want Msg+ to have a spyware reputation.
Personally, I would rather just donate through Paypal (10$ so far) and not have the advertising.

lol bering...

The latest release 36a is very clear about that (and it isn't spyware it's just an ad proggy)

Well, my point is: it's not very clear on the homepage... and that it's "just an ad proggy" might not be clear to people that do not visit this forum and that don't know so much about computers.

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Personally, I would rather just donate through Paypal (10$ so far) and not have the advertising.

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mirror updated for united states area
http://www.nakhleh.ca/mp2/MsgPlus-210a.exe

thanks

we are with u all the way Patchou!!

as beeing a programer myself I know how hard it is. But still we cant give up .
If u want to see some happy faces, just join us on IRC w'll cheer u up!

Sock, Belgian mirror updated!
http://users.skynet.be/Freaky/MsgPlus-210a.exe

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Well, my point is: it's not very clear on the homepage... and that it's "just an ad proggy" might not be clear to people that do not visit this forum and that don't know so much about computers.

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Originally posted by Snakerboy
i know you need to make some money from this but Gator? is this really the way to go? will we start seeing MP2 Lite soon?

Mayby it is peoples own fault for not paying attention, we thought that programs like this could be safe from the horid spyware that plauges the internet. I know you need to make some money from MP2, the time, effort and love put into the project must be emmense for everyone involved.

Ive been using MP for eons, even since i can remember using messenger. I urge you think carfully about this, very carefully. Id be alot happer if you change m$ banners for you own, anything but ad and spyware.

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Patchou,  just have one of the mods delete any negative threads concerning the sponser program before you get the chance to read them...jk/

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er.. why are you doing this? isnt this a forum to discuss thigns?

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Your negativity is exactly what we are trying to stop on these forums......

For Patchou to continue with Messenger Plus, he needs support, not the negative crap you and other people have posted......You have managed to completely ruin this thread.......For the first time in weeks, the attitude and support of forums members was starting to lift.......and you posted exactly what keeps Patchou away.......

We owe it to Patchou to support him, not bring him down........
I have lost all patience with people posting this sort of crap......

3 things you can do:

1. If you don't want the sponsor, then don't install it.....
2. If you don't agree with what Patchou is doing, then stop using Plus......
3. If you only came here to give negative feedback, then go back to where you came from......

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I completly agree with this, if you are so UPSET about the sponsor stuff, then don't install it and if you don't agree, then don't use this FREEware, no one is forcing you to.

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patchou, keep it up m8

ur msn plus is the best freeware i ever installen
i even reverted to 5.0 just to get plus to work (like lots of ppl i guess)

keep up the good work!
u have done so much for everyone.

Reading is very good

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lets go patchou en plus tu es QUEBECOIS ca c cool daplomb mon gars continu comme sa je voulait faire de pttit smiley good mais je c pas comment alors continu comme sa c trop cool

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Patchou is from France but lives in Montreal/Longeuil

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my friends (not me) no longer have faith in your products, whether or not it truly is optional.

i don't think its a problem so long as people read.

As far as lop is concerned, I am amazed at your ignorance/tolerance of C2Media/LOP.com's previous tactics. Have a read

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What is lop.com? Lop.com is a web site owned by C2 Media. It is mainly a pay-per-click search portal where other web sites pay for each click-through to their site via lop. This isn't a terrible idea, but rather than create a quality web site to get surfers to their site and clicking those links, they instead created a program which is labeled variously as an mp3 search program, a porn search program, or some other such thing. The installer turns the user's web browser into a device with a seemingly endless supply of links to lop.com.

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What is lop.com? Lop.com is a web site owned by C2 Media. It is mainly a pay-per-click search portal where other web sites pay for each click-through to their site via lop. This isn't a terrible idea, but rather than create a quality web site to get surfers to their site and clicking those links, they instead created a program which is labeled variously as an mp3 search program, a porn search program, or some other such thing. The installer turns the user's web browser into a device with a seemingly endless supply of links to lop.com.

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I have two points I want to make. (The 2nd may seem a little off topic at first, but you will get the point.)

#1.  It is important to note that people often do not say anything when they are happy, however they are very "vocal" when they are not.
       Considering that a small amount of people are complaining and that many are saying they are happy & support you (include me in the support),
       imagine how many satisfied/happy users there are out there that aren't saying anything.

#2.  I saw "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back" on the Movie Network today, and hearing about these complainers makes me want to
       quote the fictious post they did on the internet and direct it at those ignorant, hateful individuals.
       "make them eat our 'explicative deleted' which is made up of our 'explicative deleted' that they 'explicative deleted' ..."



Last but not least I want to re-iterate that I completely understand your decision to include these ad programs, and think it is great that you have made them optional.

Just another Canadian here saying keep up the great work.  I appreciate it.  No wait, WE appreciate it

Shaggie

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I have two points I want to make. (The 2nd may seem a little off topic at first, but you will get the point.)

#1.  It is important to note that people often do not say anything when they are happy, however they are very "vocal" when they are not.
       Considering that a small amount of people are complaining and that many are saying they are happy & support you (include me in the support),
       imagine how many satisfied/happy users there are out there that aren't saying anything.

#2.  I saw "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back" on the Movie Network today, and hearing about these complainers makes me want to
       quote the fictious post they did on the internet and direct it at those ignorant, hateful individuals.
       "make them eat our 'explicative deleted' which is made up of our 'explicative deleted' that they 'explicative deleted' ..."



Last but not least I want to re-iterate that I completely understand your decision to include these ad programs, and think it is great that you have made them optional.

Just another Canadian here saying keep up the great work.  I appreciate it.  No wait, WE appreciate it

Shaggie

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Hey Patchou you're the best!!!

Non mais tu viens de Longueuil fak tu doit surement parler francais?!? lol

téka...

Just to say you to don't give up and continue your great job.

But... will you update your pic when we type /patchou ?
ahahaha

Come on you're the best, you know you can make a Plus! for MSN6... YOU HAVE TO!!!
YOURE MY GOD!!!

Bon bin chow
pis continue ta belle job
Jo

plsplspls, pls help 2 make the Plus! available for MSN Messenger 6!!! I need it very much!!! I am using MSN Messenger 6 now... My friends send it 2 me...

The MSN Messenger 6 is fun, but there would be more fun with Plus! Pls continue 2 develop it, dun give up! Juz ignore those who r ungrateful!!!

Thks!!

I'm not sure I understand why you don't remove the checkmark to install the sponsor by default. If people support the Plus, and they don't mind having their OS hijacked by one of the most offensive programs out there, they could always put the checkmark themselves and install it. (From what I understand, a lot of users who support Plus won't even attempt this!)

From what I have seen so far, the sponsor program is something that is OFFENSIVE. If I included a default option to "Format C: drive" in my install but explained what would happen if the user did not unselect it, I think I would have to take some sort of responsibility for any formatted HDs.

At first glance, your sponsor install screen looks like a regular agreement. Who here has never clicked NEXT NEXT NEXT FINISH to install a software without reading the license agreement?

I'm glad these users are voicing their discontent with the sponsor program, and the way it was implemented. It prevents users like me from being tricked to install something I don't want by taking advantage of the users' trust. Wasn't Kazaa guilty of this last year?

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I'm not sure I understand why you don't remove the checkmark to install the sponsor by default. If people support the Plus, and they don't mind having their OS hijacked by one of the most offensive programs out there, they could always put the checkmark themselves and install it. (From what I understand, a lot of users who support Plus won't even attempt this!)

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From what I have seen so far, the sponsor program is something that is OFFENSIVE. If I included a default option to "Format C: drive" in my install but explained what would happen if the user did not unselect it, I think I would have to take some sort of responsibility for any formatted HDs.

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At first glance, your sponsor install screen looks like a regular agreement. Who here has never clicked NEXT NEXT NEXT FINISH to install a software without reading the license agreement?

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I'm glad these users are voicing their discontent with the sponsor program, and the way it was implemented. It prevents users like me from being tricked to install something I don't want by taking advantage of the users' trust. Wasn't Kazaa guilty of this last year?

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I'm not sure I understand why you don't remove the checkmark to install the sponsor by default. If people support the Plus, and they don't mind having their OS hijacked by one of the most offensive programs out there, they could always put the checkmark themselves and install it. (From what I understand, a lot of users who support Plus won't even attempt this!)

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From what I have seen so far, the sponsor program is something that is OFFENSIVE. If I included a default option to "Format C: drive" in my install but explained what would happen if the user did not unselect it, I think I would have to take some sort of responsibility for any formatted HDs.

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At first glance, your sponsor install screen looks like a regular agreement. Who here has never clicked NEXT NEXT NEXT FINISH to install a software without reading the license agreement?

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I'm glad these users are voicing their discontent with the sponsor program, and the way it was implemented. It prevents users like me from being tricked to install something I don't want by taking advantage of the users' trust. Wasn't Kazaa guilty of this last year?

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Howdy Yall

Hey Patchou I Know this Has got nothing to do with MSGPLUS which i have to say i love but u were saying about msn 6 now i got the Beta version of it ( i think thats the unofficial one) but if u have a different version or a better version than i have now can u send me the link.


And i wanna be on the list i don't wanna be the loner sittin on the tricycle down in the basement .


Btw id love to see that msn 6 version of msg plus cause then i can talk a load of bulls*** to girls on the net  

cheers.

Mina.

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I'm not sure I understand why you don't remove the checkmark to install the sponsor by default. If people support the Plus, and they don't mind having their OS hijacked by one of the most offensive programs out there, they could always put the checkmark themselves and install it. (From what I understand, a lot of users who support Plus won't even attempt this!)

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Does he really need to?? There's a whole forum here explaining it to ten people a day. There's a huge licence agreement (which you skipped past because of what...?)

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10 users out of 4,000,000. I would hardly think he doesn't need to.

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Hello Patchou,

I just want to thank you and congratulate you for the excellent freeware that you have compiled. Honestly you are an excellent person because it is very important to share your work with others! Once again I want to thank you and encourage you to keep up the excellent effort and work! Pay no attention to those as*holes, who don't appreciate the work of others!

I look forward in the plubishing of a newer version of Messanger Plus for MSN 6 !

WiLdOu|n^x !

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What is lop.com? Lop.com is a web site owned by C2 Media. It is mainly a pay-per-click search portal where other web sites pay for each click-through to their site via lop. This isn't a terrible idea, but rather than create a quality web site to get surfers to their site and clicking those links, they instead created a program which is labeled variously as an mp3 search program, a porn search program, or some other such thing. The installer turns the user's web browser into a device with a seemingly endless supply of links to lop.com.

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The setup explains it enough. It's not his fault if people don't read what they sign.

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I have included a zip file as an attachment. One of the included files shows the registry after Plus! with Lop is installed, the other shows all the files installed.

Someone should appreciate knowing what it does to their browser.

you don't have to install it!!!

I think it's because we've all become so used to agreeing to license agreements, but Patchou's made it pretty clear for us.  There's a lop.com thread in forum&website, I can't be bothered to rewrite all that.

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Turge, you seem to have missed my point.

My point was that the other 3,999,990 people have enough sense to at least glance at it and see that they either do or don't want it.

Why can't everyone shut up about this? You don't have to install it! You don't even have to install Plus! If you have installed it, it takes 2 minutes to remove! YOU kept the box checked, YOU didn't read all this stuff on the forum beforehand (but nevertheless came here to complain afterwards), YOU are completely to blame.

So shut up and let Patchou and everyone supporting Patchou get on with it without arguing with ten of you all saying the same thing in a different way.

Edit: by the way, I never said those opposing the sponsor program were stupid. I hate the stupid thing. But the porn's getting fixed and I would never think or have thought of going against Patchou, even if I don't like his sponsors.

Hey Patchou,
   You have done what Microsoft could not do. Let people say what they wish to say. You know something you can never make everyone Happy. So ignore the ignorant people and just do the best what you can. You are still doing a great favor to those who are looking upto you for your great MSN Plus and will always do.
You deserve more than Thanks and appreciation.
Good Luck working with MSN 6.

There are a lot of long posts up there but I think I can sum it up in 4 words:


PATCHOU

IS

A

GOD

Patchou put mugs and tshirts on sale, and no one complaned about it.
Patchou put that PayPal thingie, and no one complained about it.
So, if people complains now, it must be because something is wrong, wrong with the ads or wrong with the people or wrong with me, but something.

What reason not to put it unchecked? What would be wrong if it was unchecked?

Keeping it unchecked by default would cause no harm to those who really want to install it, and would cause no harm to those who haven't read it (and LEGALLY have chosen to install it, but AS A PERSON, they haven't chosen neither one or the other side) Well, then you lose people who would have liked to install it but they passed the agreement, well, they can install it anyway, and they aren't going to complain anyway, while right now it's difficult to get rid of the ad program (Uninstalling doesn't completely remove it).

Anyway, I trust Patchou so I have confidence he'll try to do the best of anyone. Let's wait for the next version...

I had called him "PART-TIME SEMIGOD" xD

I'm not looking forward to complaining about the fact Patchou put a sponsor program to get a little benefit out of MP!, but I think the program he has chosen isn't very good, it has lots of what I'd call "Internet trash". Many of its parts have hidden tehmselves and as the compañero jpg050 just says, it uninstalls defficiently.
So, I consider a great idea to put some sponsors on MP! I'd even install them, but, in my opinion, they should be cleaner.
Another thought I've had is that on could choose which pieces of sponsor-software on wants to be installed, like other programs do. That would give much more control to the users wanting to help and encourage Patchou to go on with MP!, installing crap stuff just as far as they'd want to.

And in response to the complaint of putting the option "I agree" as deafult, I'd suggest not to put anyone of both as default, and if none chosen, an alert would ask the user to choose between installing or not. I think this would be the most "legal way" to solve it... I don't know if anyone posted this before, cuz I haven't read everything on this thread.

And I can't keep from congratulating Patchou for his great work.

KeyStorm.NET (from the Catalan Translation Group)

So then, when's Mess Plus guna work MSN Messenger 6???

http://shoutbox.menthix.net/announcements.php?fid=23

Yes, that'd be nice, a pair of radio buttons...

O Yes, install the sponsor

O Don't install it and continue installing Plus!

No one by default and obligatorily one to be clicked

um, i think we should all stop complaining about the sponser program now, cos its been tlked about 2 its limit nd probably been tlked abotu enough. this thread could b used 2 tlk about sumthing more positive about the current version, cso we all kno the sponser program wasnt the best choice of banners ads etc. if sum1 who sues this site is part of a company, they cud suggest th@ their ads cud b put on the site nd pay patchou 4 the advertising, th@ wud b mch better nd no1 wud complain, cos its simple banner ads. this is more fair, no1 can complain. so jst leave out the stuff about how bad the sponser program is nd tlk abotu sumthing more interesting

umm.....
YAY PATCHOU!

lol, i can see u got bored. it dus say alot, like ther is nuthing else 2 tlk about rlly apart from the ad program. im stuk, so thanxalot 4 making  me resort 2 plan b, which is tlk abotu wat u like, which will rpob b nehting 2 do with the sponser prgoram

Patchou i love MSNPlus!  I need an MSN 6 compatible version! Dont give up! PM me if u want anything at all to help with it!

~We Patchou~

not exactly on topic are we...?

General Chat i think, should go, this should (eh having a Yoda phase there)

lol GO PATCHOU u rule i neva want to kno bout mesnager six it just looks kool and all but i have others things like messanger plus that keeps me away from that

Tomfletcherman... I think the point of this thread was for Patchou to tell us about a change to the ads. If you want to chat, well, that's what the 'General Chit Chat' forum is for.

Edit: Pip, I wouldn't say that if I were you, Messenger 6 does have a lot of new features and Messenger Plus is now compatible with it (before people ask, that version has NOT BEEN RELEASED YET), and anyway... look at what happened to the people who said 'Windows 95 is good enough for me!' - Microsoft stopped supporting it, stopped fixing security holes, just stopped...

If your computer's fast enough, and when Plus is released compatible with it, just upgrade, it won't hurt.

first off, i would like to thank you.

secondly, i am a little angry about the destruction the sponser program had.

you should disable the sponser program agreement checkbox by default, i accidentally clicked too fast and msg plus caused much harm.

and when i remove msg plus, the sponser program does not uninstall itself. i needed lots of patience to remove that sponser...

I am proud to say that I use Messenger Plus! for a while now.  I am one of those that used the preview version of MS IM 6.0 and miss the functionallity of Messenger Plus! like the boss feature.  Hopefully you will be able to work around the new Microsoft features (or limitations)!

I have refered several friends to Messenger Plus! and they and I are pleased with it!

Well first off i wanna say thanks to Patchou. There are more that 10 people who support you (its just not all of them regualrly post )

I wanted to mainly say that i am looking forward to an update if you do one, as i have statrted using 6.0 and do miss some of the features (mainly the away message one).

But to those who keep complaining about the sponsorship thing please just cut it out!!

Quote: i am a little angry about the destruction the sponser program had

Well to be fair - you installed it. U had the option to turn it off, but ignored it.

Keep up the good work Patchou - it cant be easy trying to stay ahead of Microsofts team and i hope you can overcome these problems.

Failing that - i want them to offer you a job so that you can whack all these features straight into the next messenger - and get paid a fortune!

All the best

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there ARE people out there who appreciate freeware (including me, very much thank you) it's just people are stupid. but then, that's why i'm a firm believer in hating people until they give you a reason not to. so chin up and good luck on msn 6.0

i hate bill gates too, but i think he actually deserves it.

So, is patchou still working on it? Is it compatible yet? Well, i hope he better hurry up... I'm so so excited... getting new features + Plus!


Evil Webmaster

Yes, he is still working on it. I beleive he is in the debugging stage now.

Please be patient as well

All I want is the Event logging window and the away msgs!

Go Patchou!

Hi, thanks to PATCHOU for MsgPlus! it's cool.
I download then released version of Messenger 6.0.0268 and also I download the version MsgPlus! version 2.10.36a form www.msgplus.net and when I try to open the Plus! menu from Messenger it show me a message of Compatibility, I need an upgrade from the previous site.
What can I do?

Thanks.

The same happen to me, I didn't know that messenger 6 and Msn Plus! can't work together, until I read a lot of posts that explain this
all of us hope that PATCHOU can fix this big problem   






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Hi, thanks to PATCHOU for MsgPlus! it's cool.
I download then released version of Messenger 6.0.0268 and also I download the version MsgPlus! version 2.10.36a form www.msgplus.net and when I try to open the Plus! menu from Messenger it show me a message of Compatibility, I need an upgrade from the previous site.
What can I do?

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The same happen to me, I didn't know that messenger 6 and Msn Plus! can't work together, until I read a lot of posts that explain this
all of us hope that PATCHOU can fix this big problem   

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