Hello all of you,

so, how was your halloween this year? mine was pretty standard... I just can't wait to see the 13th Simpsons Halloween Special on Fox (in about 30 minutes, just enough time for me to write this post and order a pizza).

I just completed the multi-format feature and again, I want your input about it. Basically, it works the same as in mIRC. You can use Ctrl+K for color/background-color, Ctrl+B for bold, Ctrl+U for underlined and, an addition to IRC, Ctrl+T for italic (why not Ctrl+I? because Messenger uses it for inserting tabs).

To illustrate this in Messenger, here is a screenshot... I did some copy past from a fserv chanel on IRC so that I have different complex examples.



Let me know what you think about this... useful or not?... hope I didn't worked for nothing

Patchou.

OOMMMGG!

* Sholin drools!

Wow, that's awesome!

Does your contact have to have Plus! installed to see the background colors and everything?

Ya the person has to have MSGPLUS installed, it will just show up like mIRC code to people who dont have it installed, Like the following:

4,15 MSGPLUS ROCKS!

Oh, OK... well, MP2 will be so f**king great, everyone will have it installed.

* Sholin agrees with WDZ

Not trying to be a downer, but is it really that usefull 

It would be fun to change it, but not really that useful (/me sees this post gettign deleted  )

lol Muss, no, your "Go You" picture makes me smile everytime I see it so I won't delete your post ... there was something I wanted to add to my original thread but I forgot.... the examples shown in the screenshot are could be qualified as "extreme".... I personally think that it's very useful when you want to put some life in your message by puting a word in a specific color or in bold for example... colors can be very useful when you don't have the proper emoticon to express your feelings.

By the way... unlike IRC, I intend to support not 16 colors but 16 millions.... that way I'm sure I won't get complaints about "why didn't you put my favorite color!". Of course, the 16 predefined IRC colors are fully supported.

Last note... every IM windows has a "Override Text Format" menu.... if you do not like funly colors or formating, this option is for you. It will also apply if the user does not use special tags but put his default Messenger font to Symbol 21 Italic for example

* Menthix checks his email...
...THANK YOU!

Let's hope i finally get some time todo some good tewsting now

Colors look nice, but what i wanted to ask.... Patchou, what about creating a function that in some way can detect wether the person you talking to has plus yes or no (preferably detects IF it has plus!, which version too).

It's looking better by the day.  Now is there an ETA for getting it out the door yet? 

wow thats great...

finally some color into my conversations...

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Originally posted by riball
wow thats great...

finally some color into my conversations...

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*Thinking* Colourful days ahead for PLUS

Well that's really nice, but honestly.... I think it will cause a lot of compatibility problems since it only works on MP2.... I wouldn't want others to see garbage on their screens....

I vote "No".

sock? hehehe...

anywayz... i think its a cool feature.

if your contacts don't have Plus! and you don't want to make the effort of sending it to them, then, you're right, this feature is nto for your .

Concerning a function that detects if your contact has Plus!... hum... I may add this but it will be fairly simple... like I send a text and it replies back automatically. Anyway, I wanted to do a !ping feature so this could go with it.

Looks great Patchou - especially the fact that I'll now finally be able to use italics and bold ---> fewer misunderstandings


Keep up the good work!

I think the formating is great, although not every1 on my list has MP i remember who has and who hasnt wen i use otherfnctions like "/me" but bold etc will be really kewl and usful. thnx Patchou.

And yes, i so still think that a plus! detection feature would be nice 

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Originally posted by bjh_101
And yes, i so still think that a plus! detection feature would be nice   

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YAY! Now me and Jae get to spam eachother checking for bugs

I could but I'd rather not.... what I intend to do however is to make MP2 "remember" that someones uses MP2, that way, you don't have to wonder everytime... I'll just have to add some kind of tag in the name/email string of the contact on top of the IM window.

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Originally posted by Patchou
what I intend to do however is to make MP2 "remember" that someones uses MP2, that way, you don't have to wonder everytime...

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sure

Cool, can't wait   

yippie looks kewl

yay finally we get to have kool messages

I have to say... above all the POP3 mail and advanced 'personalised status' and stuff like that... this would be the function that I would use most.

Basically... I can't wait!!! Keep up the good work!

hum, for the function where it (the contact) has MP or not, you can maybe change the icon of the contact in the main window (make a discreet "!" in the lower right of the buddy) so it'll be simple and easy to recogniz for a MP user

You mean this

instead of the normal icon

or a whole differenct color like yellow or blue...

cuz what did you have in mind for the plus users that are away?


but the idea sounds great to me!

You can use another IRC command... such /finger... what do u think about it? The response could be something like: <user> is using <version>.  Do u think that u can do it? or is another metod more simple??

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Originally posted by riball
You mean this

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i likes it ... imma get it when its ready so hurry up already ... u have done a gr8 job from what i can see coolies IM EXCITED !!!! 

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Originally posted by Patchou
lol Muss, no, your "Go You" picture makes me smile everytime I see it so I won't delete your post ... 

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what he said ya huh   

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Originally posted by shine

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Originally posted by riball
You mean this

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Quote pathcou "MSN icons will not be used / modified in plus"

So i don't thing hes gonna meddle with MSN stuffs

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Originally posted by riball

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Originally posted by shine

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Originally posted by riball
You mean this

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Quote pathcou "MSN icons will not be used / modified in plus"

So i don't thing hes gonna meddle with MSN stuffs

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so you may not make it yellow or so? hmmm... what should we make it then? make the name red?

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Originally posted by Chrono
Or add a [!] or a [Plus!] at the end of the nick, but just on the contact list...

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Obviously, an indicator that users can't fake by changing their display names must be used. This could be achieved, for example, by using a colored "[!]" in front of the display names of the relevant contacts. However, I personally prefer adding a tiny little red "!" (exclamation mark) ontop of the contact icons... Just make better antialiasing than this one's:

I think a yellow - or blue -or else -color should be the best choice, coz, if you put a ! or plus! at the end of the nick, you won't sometimes see it, because some contacts use "weirds" and ultra long nicknames..
Or an other option (in my opinion, it's the worth..), putting all the contacts with MP2 in a different group such as [ Plus! Group ]....

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Originally posted by Misterjad
...coz, if you put a ! or plus! at the end of the nick, you won't sometimes see it, because some contacts use "weirds" and ultra long nicknames..

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could do better 

Ge, thanks.

Hmm...

Well, it's definitely interesting.

I'm not sure about this whole "Let's turn MSN into an IRC client!" thing though.

MSN's font options aren't overly powerful, sure, but just look at Patchou's examples. Those all came from IRC.

I sure as hell don't want my MSN windows looking like that.

Sometimes, simplicity is best.

Still, it's an interesting feature, and I'm sure some people will appreciate it.

Hmm.... seems like someone's been messing around with one of my posts... oh well.

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Originally posted by Blue Hiker
Sometimes, simplicity is best.

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It looks fine, but I am waiting for the Final version!
I hope MsgPlus 2.0 is finished soon....!!!

Greetz Lex

from the updates page it look like it will be

Stay Tuned!

Of Course I am!!!

Is it already finished?      

So You are slow!
(sorry it's not funny)

Hey not bad Patchou, and it's a PNG ! Looks like a handy feature, it'd be good if you could somehow change Ctrl-I and Ctrl-T though (you know, maybe like disabel Crl-I in messenger and overwrite it with your Ctrl-I)....

...Then again you probably thought of that.

=mek=

Im sure most of it is finished... however big features like scripting still need to be added.

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Originally posted by Nakamura
Nakamura doesn't think Patchou wants to change anything in the msmsgs.exe...

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I love this!  cool!  well done!

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Originally posted by Nakamura
Nakamura doesn't think Patchou wants to change anything in the msmsgs.exe...

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Cool feature, i'll bet ur program something better than what i could do. Anyway can i request multiple features such as limiting d/l space 'n' shit and having a shared folder like Mirc. so users can dir and stuff

colored txt ok
colored background nice idea but no thx
you must know howmanny people hate that allready on mirc
imo if its in the new pluspack then i will prolly never install it

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Originally posted by Dreamingweb
Cool feature, i'll bet ur program something better than what i could do. Anyway can i request multiple features such as limiting d/l space 'n' shit and having a shared folder like Mirc. so users can dir and stuff

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Originally posted by ExistenZ
colored txt ok
colored background nice idea but no thx
you must know howmanny people hate that allready on mirc
imo if its in the new pluspack then i will prolly never install it 

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Originally posted by shine
BTW Plus itself is optional     

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Originally posted by ExistenZ
colored txt ok
colored background nice idea but no thx
you must know howmanny people hate that allready on mirc
imo if its in the new pluspack then i will prolly never install it 

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Yep, you can definitively override any funky format in your Messenger (even format that is not created by MP2).

Yesterday I started to do the new logging feature and, before that, I wanted to test MP2 in Windows 98 with Messenger 5 (I work with XP, Messenger 4).... it works pretty well but there are some bugs that have to be fixed. I'll probably concentrate on that this evening.

One thing is for sure: I need to do something else! So for now, no more new feature, I'll add logging (which, by itself, will have new options) and that should do it for version 2.00. Things like scripting will probably make it for version 2.10.... anyway, I suppose you'll all be happy if I release MP2 sooner.

Anyway, still a lot of work to do on version 2! I hope Win98 won't give me too many problems this evening because I can't debug anything on this platform so I have to reboot on XP everytime I want to try a modification and it's painful 

Patchou, u will make an alpha version for everyone?? Or only for the ones u think??
I can't wait... MP2 promise...


Good job

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hmmm... i've just put that on the forum as well

http://shoutbox.menthix.net/viewthread.php?tid=2113

pls say the nu version is coming out soon. Im dying to get my hands on it. . It wud b nice 2 hav it as a free christmas present. lol. if u can jst get it ther by the 25th, i wanna b lazy with all of those kool functions aswell. no need 2 say hi nemore, jst alt-1. Do u hav ne ideas 4 wen it mite b out on the web?

nope, Patchou has disappeared so i guess he's very busy with getting all the bugs out of the alpha version
u'll have to be patient

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Originally posted by Bugz
nope, Patchou has disappeared

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thanx 4 giving me this crucial info. Wahooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Getting MP2 out as soon as possible sounds like a great idea! (/me drools quietly in the corner)
We can wait for what you haven't done yet...

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Originally posted by Sholin
Ya the person has to have MSGPLUS installed, it will just show up like mIRC code to people who dont have it installed, Like the following:

4,15 MSGPLUS ROCKS!

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I'm just wondering when MP2 will be available for download. Does anybody have an estimate of the date?

before the end of the year

I got the first alpha version about three weeks ago, Patchou should release the Beta about now, if he wants to release the gamma before newjear

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by Patchou
a public beta will be available for sure before Chirstmas

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by Patchou
a public beta will be available for sure before Chirstmas

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<plus=yes>

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This looks great!!! So Patchou, why don't you get us all a little X mas present and make MP2 available for us first?

The bugs aren't out yet.

pachou question:
how did you copy the colors out of irc? i cant manage to copy the colors and the background in irc..

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Originally posted by joon
pachou question:
how did you copy the colors out of irc? i cant manage to copy the colors and the background in irc..

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no i mean he coppied those colors and text from a irc bot i have mirc and when i copy something from it it doesnt copy the colors.. my question is how did pachou copy the colors with the text from irc? cuz when i copy from irc and paste in msn its just plain black?

I think you can copy the color code things if you copy directly from an IRC log file, or disable color codes in your IRC client... I'm not sure though.

ok sorry i was wrong...

Are you sure?

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Originally posted by Patchou
To illustrate this in Messenger, here is a screenshot... I did some copy past from a fserv chanel on IRC so that I have different complex examples.

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Originally posted by joon
no i mean he coppied those colors and text from a irc bot i have mirc and when i copy something from it it doesnt copy the colors.. my question is how did pachou copy the colors with the text from irc? cuz when i copy from irc and paste in msn its just plain black?

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Originally posted by SMG
about the idea of autodetecting plus, I thaugh that i could post a possible solution:


Plus assumes at the start that the user isn't using plus

You use a plus feature such as the mIRC text or /me

If there is no reply by the person chatted to with something like <plus=yes>, then plus know's that the user hasn't got plus and puts an alert in yellow area of MSN 5/blue area of WM4 that says "x
_user may not be using plus!".

If the other user is using plus!, then plus! will autoreply <plus=yes> although it will be hidden from both user's view and the yellow area of MSN5/blue area of WM4 will say that "x_user is using plus!"



just an idea, i dont think that he should add this to MP2 because then he'll simply be too busy, this could be good for MP2.1 or later

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It's however possible to check if the other user is using Plus! w/o letting both users know! In ASCII chart there are some characters that looks just like spaces but has different ASCII code. Try Alt+160! IE:

- Messenger is launched. Plus is loaded for the first time.
- Plus assumes that no user in the contact list has Plus.
- You try to IM someone in the contact list.
- Plus detects the message and secretly add [Alt+160] character at the end of the message. It will look completely normal.
- If the other user doesn't have Plus installed, he or she will still be able to read the message and reply back completely normally.
- If the other user has Plus installed, it should be able to detect the [Alt+160] character at the end of the message.
- As soon as the other user reply back, his or her Plus secretly adds [Alt+160][Alt+160] character at the end of the message.
- You will be able to read his or her message normally, but in the background Plus tries to check if there are 160 codes at the end of the message...
- Plus found them and marks that user with [Plus] mark.

My English isn't so well, I hereby apologize for any mistakes.

I think the risk is too big, some strange users of the millions of MSN-users are testing ASCCI-codes or something, and will send a alt-160 to a person with plus...

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Originally posted by Alpha Binary
It's however possible to check if the other user is using Plus! w/o letting both users know! In ASCII chart there are some characters that looks just like spaces but has different ASCII code. Try Alt+160! IE:

- Messenger is launched. Plus is loaded for the first time.
- Plus assumes that no user in the contact list has Plus.
- You try to IM someone in the contact list.
- Plus detects the message and secretly add [Alt+160] character at the end of the message. It will look completely normal.
- If the other user doesn't have Plus installed, he or she will still be able to read the message and reply back completely normally.
- If the other user has Plus installed, it should be able to detect the [Alt+160] character at the end of the message.
- As soon as the other user reply back, his or her Plus secretly adds [Alt+160][Alt+160] character at the end of the message.
- You will be able to read his or her message normally, but in the background Plus tries to check if there are 160 codes at the end of the message...
- Plus found them and marks that user with [Plus] mark.

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Thanks patchou for the ver 1 .

Well ver 2 aint out yet so cant say that for ver 2 yet but I am sure it would be a great one as well.

keep up the good work.

Gee - I like the no of stars patchou has against his name !!! He He.