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Messenger PowerPlus by CookieRevised on 04-07-2004 at 06:46 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
About Messenger Power Plus:
* It is NOT a MSN Messenger. This is also an addon for MSN Messenger that hooks into MSN Messenger, just like Messenger Plus! does.
* "Messenger Power Plus" also skins your MSN Messenger in memory. It does a fine job in hooking.
* "Messenger Power Plus" and Messenger Plus! aren't compatible with eachother.
* Messenger Plus! has far more features then "Messenger Power Plus" for what I can tell
* I strongly doubt that "Messenger Power Plus" is supported by Microsoft. Hence, all the speculations about the fact that Microsoft will only have animated display pictures in "Messenger Power Plus" is totaly false. Microsoft has nothing todo with "Messenger Power Plus".
* "Messenger Power Plus" has his own display pictures. Hence the speculations that animated display pictures in MSN Messenger are possible isn't exactly true. "Messenger Power Plus" uses his own system and I think use (abuse?) the MSN protocol to send his own (animated?) display pictures. The normal Messenger Display pictures are still there...

I did say that Microsoft didn't had anything to do with PowerPlus. I must take my words back on that...
It seems that Microsoft have something todo with it.

The reason why I said that MS had nothing todo with it was that I couldn't found any trace within PowerPlus that it had. And, if you look at the homepage of PowerPlus, you could see clearly the MSN theme. But anybody can fake that, so this wasn't solid proof. Also, I couldn't find any trace of mentioning PowerPlus on any official MSN Messenger related site I've found.

BUT I was wrong... If you visit http://messenger.msn.co.kr/ (which is an official MSN site), you can see that MS does mention PowerPlus there.

Now, this only proofs that PowerPlus is supported by MS.
NOT that it is created by MS! Infact if you look at the actual installed programfiles of PowerPlus, it has no mention of Microsoft anywhere, even not in the trademark-field, which is very strange...

Also, the whole discussion about the Deluxe Animated Displaypictures doesn't change.
The animated DP's in PowerPlus have nothing todo with the default and normal DP's in MSN Messenger and are completely unrelated.

Furthermore, the rumour that Animated display pictures are only going to be integrated in the Korean MSN Messenger (stated on mess.be) is still not correct.
As you can see:
1) PowerPlus is an addon for MSN Messenger (just like Plus!), not a replacement.
2) It is PowerPlus that has animated DP's, not MSN Messenger (there is NOT ANY official report that says that MSN Messenger is going to have them, even not in 6.2, it is all speculation rooted in the fact that people confused PowerPlus with Messenger).
3) Animated display pictures are already in PowerPlus.
4) the animated DP's in PowerPlus are something totaly seperate then the normal default MSN Messenger DP's (you still have them in PowerPlus).

So, The only thing that is changed from the above list in previous post, is that MS does mention PowerPlus on their official MSN Messenger download site, nothing more.

Mirror link to a setup (I think version 1.1.0.216)
http://www.jjim.com/club/board_dir/tb213/upload/2...SetupPowerPlus.exe

Official link to the setup (version 1.2.0.2xx)
http://down.msnplus.co.kr/download/setup/1.2.0.2/SetupPowerPlus.exe

Interesting article about PowerPlus:
http://www.google.com/search?q=ktitplaza+wisepost (click on CACHED version, since the page is down)

RE: Messenger PowerPlus by Menthix on 04-07-2004 at 06:49 PM

You're welcome .

http://shoutbox.menthix.net/showthread.php?tid=23...d=223385#pid223385

RE: Messenger PowerPlus by CookieRevised on 04-07-2004 at 07:02 PM

So...

About Messenger PowerPlus:

* It is NOT a MSN Messenger. This is an addon (in Korean language only) for MSN Messenger that hooks into MSN Messenger, just like Messenger Plus! does.

* "Messenger PowerPlus" also skins your MSN Messenger in memory. It does a fine job in hooking.

* "Messenger PowerPlus" and Messenger Plus! aren't compatible with eachother.

* Messenger Plus! has far more features then "Messenger PowerPlus" for what I can tell.

* "Messenger PowerPlus" concentrates almost only on his animated display pictures and stuff around it.

* Microsoft does support "Messenger PowerPlus". BUT, all the speculations about the fact that Microsoft will only have animated display pictures in the Korean "Messenger PowerPlus" (mess.be) is not correct:
- Microsoft didn't make "Messenger PowerPlus". It is a 3rd party addon FOR MSN Messenger created by the company WisePost.
- Animated display pictures are already in "Messenger PowerPlus".

* "Messenger PowerPlus" has his own display pictures. Hence the speculations that animated display pictures in MSN Messenger are possible isn't exactly true. "Messenger PowerPlus" uses his own system and I think uses the MSN protocol to send his own animated display pictures. (I'm not sure of this, it could well be done via P2P)

* It is well possible that the animated display pictures-system used by "Messenger PowerPlus" works like the Audiator plugin for Plus!. You only send an indexnumber to your contact, not the picture(s) itself. (<- speculation on my part)

* The animated display pictures actually contain several animated pictures layered over each other to combine a new display picture. So you can the head of pic1, the body of pic3 and the legs of pic8, to combine them into a new character for example. (<- don't know for sure, but this is what I can make of it from the look of it)

* The normal MSN Messenger Display pictures are still there...

* Both parties (you and your contact) need "Messenger PowerPlus" to see the animated display pictures.

* To use all the features (like the animated display pictures) in "Messenger PowerPlus" you need a registration number; The animated display picture system (or avatar-system as it is called by "Messenger PowerPlus") isn't free.

RE: Messenger PowerPlus by CookieRevised on 04-07-2004 at 07:06 PM

quote:
Originally posted by MenthiX
You're welcome .

Thanks, but it wasn't your post that tipped me... I was still editing/writing my posts here and on some other places, so I didn't read yours first. I had a big hint when I was browsing the PowerPlus homepage (there is a link there to the official Korean msn messenger download page..... as Homer would say: DOH!!!).

It seemed that we both came at that korean msn site at the same time

RE: Messenger PowerPlus by Menthix on 04-07-2004 at 07:27 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
It seemed that we both came at that korean msn site at the same time

That must be a typical Dutch thing to do... visiting sites you can't even read

(alright Flemmish if you wish, but you get the point.)

RE: Messenger PowerPlus by Choli on 04-07-2004 at 09:37 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
"Messenger PowerPlus" and Messenger Plus! aren't compatible with eachother.

did you tested it? That's dodgy, 'cause plus works fine, so powerplus is doing weird things

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
Microsoft does support "Messenger PowerPlus

why would M$ do that? If powerplus is just an addon like plus, why doesn't M$ support plus (just as an example)? What are the features of powerplus (appart from the animated dps and skinning?

quote:
Originally posted by MenthiX
That must be a typical Dutch thing to do... visiting sites you can't even read

(alright Flemmish if you wish, but you get the point.)

bored people.....

RE: Messenger PowerPlus by lylesback2 on 04-07-2004 at 09:48 PM

can other people see these animated DP?

RE: Messenger PowerPlus by KeyStorm on 04-07-2004 at 09:52 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
* Both parties (you and your contact) need "Messenger PowerPlus" to see the animated display pictures.

RE: Messenger PowerPlus by reisyboy on 04-08-2004 at 11:52 AM

quote:
Originally posted by KeyStorm
send his own animated display pictures. (I'm not sure of this, it could well be done via P2P)

Hmmm seems to me this could be used for alot, if i remember right the P2P is built into MSN Messenger (I think i read that on games.mess.be some where). Hmmm could be used to send lots of things e.g. sounds maybe :-/

Who knows

Anyway m probably wrong.

quote:

Originally posted by CookieRevised
* Both parties (you and your contact) need "Messenger PowerPlus" to see the animated display pictures.

Yeh thats often with things like this and anoying, seems to me ill stay with Plus!

RE: RE: Messenger PowerPlus by CookieRevised on 04-08-2004 at 03:08 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Choli

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
"Messenger PowerPlus" and Messenger Plus! aren't compatible with eachother.
did you tested it? That's dodgy, 'cause plus works fine, so powerplus is doing weird things

Yep, I tested... Powerplus takes the upperhand, no trace of Messenger Plus when PowerPlus is loaded (even not a recovery window).

quote:
Originally posted by Choli

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
Microsoft does support "Messenger PowerPlus
why would M$ do that? If powerplus is just an addon like plus, why doesn't M$ support plus (just as an example)?

beats me... you can see it on the Korean MSN Messenger site: http://messenger.msn.co.kr/ ...

quote:
Originally posted by Choli
What are the features of powerplus (appart from the animated dps and skinning?

As far as I can see, appart from that... nothing... It doesn't realy supports skinning though, but it skins the MSN Messenger completely, things got moved to different places, added buttons, and some other stuff. It's not that you can apply your own skin (without reshacking of course). But it does the skinning in memory (soft-patching), which is interesting...

quote:
Originally posted by reisyboy

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
send his own animated display pictures. (I'm not sure of this, it could well be done via P2P)
Hmmm seems to me this could be used for alot, if i remember right the P2P is built into MSN Messenger (I think i read that on games.mess.be some where). Hmmm could be used to send lots of things e.g. sounds maybe Who knows Anyway m probably wrong.

You don't build in P2P (point-to-point)... I mean, it is not something like the MSN protocol. P2P is a term used to say that an application makes direct contact to another application without the use of extra servers/services/etc... This differs from the MSN protocol, which needs servers to operate. (I'm proberly explaining it not too well, but blah).
MSN Messenger can use P2P to send files. This means the files will be send directly to your contact without the use of another server. What I was trying to say was that maybe the sending of images isn't done via the MSN protocol (like with the normal DP's) but P2P. But this was an old statement anyway, I'm more sure it doesn't send the images at all, but only a number/index, just like the Audiator plugin. So the image itself isn't send, but the "name" of the image. This also means that you aswell as your contact needs the same pictures to see what your contact has set as his picture...

quote:
Originally posted by reisyboy

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
* Both parties (you and your contact) need "Messenger PowerPlus" to see the animated display pictures.
Yeh thats often with things like this and anoying, seems to me ill stay with Plus!

Yep, and the reason is simple: The animated Display pics are PowerPlus' own system, which has nothing todo with MSN Messenger...

Note: WDZ posted an interesting link to an article about WisePost, the creators of PowerPlus: Interesting article about PowerPlus:
http://www.google.com/search?q=ktitplaza+wisepost (click on CACHED version, since the page is down)

RE: Messenger PowerPlus by Triple8 on 04-08-2004 at 04:10 PM

Those images are cute but you have 2 pay for them

RE: Messenger PowerPlus by mylls on 04-09-2004 at 03:36 AM

Is there an English version?

RE: Messenger PowerPlus by Joe on 04-09-2004 at 04:34 AM

exactly what i was wondering mylls

RE: Messenger PowerPlus by tomfletcherman on 04-09-2004 at 08:26 AM

No there isn't, it is specifically made in korean for korean msn messenger users

RE: Messenger PowerPlus by CookieRevised on 04-09-2004 at 01:10 PM

quote:
Originally posted by buqingzi
hate to say this, but ... 'I told you so'.

Told what?

quote:
Originally posted by mylls
Is there an English version?

quote:
Originally posted by atownjoe2004
exactly what i was wondering mylls

Read the first posts

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
* It is NOT a MSN Messenger. This is an addon (in Korean language only) for MSN Messenger that hooks into MSN Messenger, just like Messenger Plus! does.

RE: RE: Messenger PowerPlus by CookieRevised on 04-10-2004 at 05:20 PM

quote:
Originally posted by buqingzi
I mean granted it's a software developed by another third party, but it seems to me that the reason for that is because MS wanted it to be done. It's only available in Korean but that might be because MS wanted a pilot to see if it's marketable. Who knows if they have a plan to introduce it in Europe?

If MS wanted a pilot, they would make it themself under the name of MS, IMO...

quote:
Originally posted by buqingzi
and if they did, it can only be detrimental to plus! since they share a number of the same features.

No, they don't... Plus is an entirly different program. Messenger PowerPlus' features are the moving avatar system, nothing more. Besides it isn't even free...

quote:
Originally posted by buqingzi
Also, the hooking mechanism interfeares with the Plus!'s one, and what do you think are the chances of the developer to change Powerplus's hooking code in order to accommodate plus?

doubtfull, but Plus could change his method.. nothing wrong in doing that...

quote:
Originally posted by buqingzi
But would it make sense to do that anyway (change the name of Plus!) since new users are bound to get confused between the two?

No, Plus! shouldn't change his name. There is no confusion if everybody uses "plus" and "powerplus"...

quote:
Originally posted by buqingzi
I wonder if it's possible for plus! to offer animated pictures?

It is possible... but personaly, I hope Patchou will never implement this. First, it can be debated if it is an usefull feature, but more important this involves a lot of changes, which will be very very bloated. Besides, if I read here and there (msnfanatic, comments on newssites, ...), the animated display pictures aren't as welcome as we all think. And then I'm talking about true animated display pictures. The deluxe avatar system from PowerPlus is even more annoying. Sure it's nice to have it, but soon enough they'll be very annoying to look at, etc. More and more users are complaining that MSN Messenger is getting too bloated, so...

RE: Messenger PowerPlus by amnesia on 04-23-2004 at 11:46 AM

well since this obviously is an external app that allows you to use the animated avatars. That means that MP3 could integrate that as a feature or as a plug-in.

Patchou'll get the Korean market too lol!

RE: Messenger PowerPlus by CookieRevised on 04-23-2004 at 12:03 PM

quote:
Originally posted by amnesia
well since this obviously is an external app that allows you to use the animated avatars. That means that MP3 could integrate that as a feature or as a plug-in.
Patchou'll get the Korean market too lol!

hehhe... although it is possible to have this in Plus!, Patchou wont add it... for more about this, go to http://shoutbox.menthix.net/showthread.php?tid=24081

Also, if you were talking about a plugin for Plus!, maybe that is also possible, but some remarks are found here: http://shoutbox.menthix.net/showthread.php?tid=24...d=230532#pid230532
and
http://shoutbox.menthix.net/showthread.php?tid=24081&pid=230774

RE: Messenger PowerPlus by sparkymcg on 04-24-2004 at 09:55 AM

is there an english version of power plus

RE: Messenger PowerPlus by KnightieBoy on 04-24-2004 at 10:04 AM

quote:
Originally posted by sparkymcg
is there an english version of power plus

quote:
Originally posted by tomfletcherman
No there isn't, it is specifically made in korean for korean msn messenger users

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
* It is NOT a MSN Messenger. This is an addon (in Korean language only) for MSN Messenger that hooks into MSN Messenger, just like Messenger Plus! does.

RE: Messenger PowerPlus by koo9 on 05-17-2004 at 04:55 AM

hi all

I think after all, powerplus is one of the ms partner, since powerplus alone with other addons are authorized to use the .net messenger service, (logon using the msn messenger passport). check it out here at this official taiwan messenger site.

http://messenger.msn.com.tw/Help/Authorized.aspx

MSN 6.2 and MSN PowerPlus by futballfag01 on 05-22-2004 at 05:36 PM

1. MSN Messenger 6.2 officialy includes MSN PowerPlus in the KOREAN version. So what Microsoft was saying about the deluxe display pictures is true only in the Korean version. Now, you can only use your avatar or the classic display picture.

2. * Both parties (you and your contact) need "Messenger PowerPlus" to see the animated display pictures.
- This is not true. If you registered for the service, your avatar stays on the MSN PowerPlus server. You need the program to VIEW the avatars.

3. * To use all the features (like the animated display pictures) in "Messenger PowerPlus" you need a registration number; The animated display picture system (or avatar-system as it is called by "Messenger PowerPlus") isn't free.
- The registration number is the Social Security Numbers that all citizens of Korea Republic currently have. It is to ensure that when you pay for your services (i.e. avatars) you use your full legal name.

4.* "Messenger PowerPlus" concentrates almost only on his animated display pictures and stuff around it.
-Several other features of MSN PowerPlus include:
A. Sending messages to people who are offline. When you log-in, a pop-up windows displays all the messages you received while you were offline.
B. A mini homepage, so that you can have a small website of your own.
C. "Love Letter" service, which is like an on-line Personals-site, which you use your avatars to find a new friend on-line.

So far, the MSN PowerPlus is known mainly for its DP (avatar) service. It's pretty expensive! I have no idea if the program will be translated into English, or any other language. Avatars are very popular in Korea. Yahoo! Korea, Daum, Lycos Korea etc. all have an avatar service.

AND!! I doubt Patchou will get the Korean market. Many Koreans are hooked on it.