http://www.msnfanatic.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=61&t=9529

Looks like the Msg. Plus! community isn't well liked over at msn fanatic! Touchy!

I can never access MSN Fanatic.....hm.....what do they say, these haters?

Every time I try to get on MSN Fanatic, I just get a "this page can not be displayed".

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Originally posted by Greenboy at MSNFanatic

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<eXoenDo> MSN Plus! is a product from Microsoft, please see http://www.microsoft.com if you want info or support for it! I believe you mean Messenger Plus!, however, the Popular addon from Patchou! Please use Messenger Plus! now.



I found this rather amusing.

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Originally posted by Greenboy at MSNFanatic

Indeed. Another example of Plus being treated higher than its worth, no?
Reminds me rather of Adobe trying to stop people saying "photoshopped"

and melkhior: If you mean where I found the quote: It came from one of their 'helpers' in their IRC 'support' channel.

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Sorry about the tread title, when I typed it i thought "some1's gonna say somethin...... ah well" Anyway, I've changed it to "MSN Fanatic's getting touchy!"

It's not that the fact they think we're stupid over it, its the way they think we can't get over ourselves, we ask one simple thing. Call the product you like so much that you download it, probably say "Patchou Is God" and register so ask for help so you can make it even better thanks to this community, by its correct name! Not much to ask

Does beg the question though, why did Patch name it "Messenger Plus!" instead of "MSN Plus!" or "MSN Plus" because this would surly create some problems

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wtf, that dude has some language problems! oh, and he likes! exclamation signs!

lol

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KeyStorm, eXoenDo IS a helper on the support channel...

uhm i was in there when that happened last night and came to this conclusion.
GreenBoy = Wanker.
He was also offically warned last night

Is GreenBoy on the Msg. Plus! forums?

No. It was on IRC

This is funny, it's a bit like gang warfare. (I'm glad I'm on this side, though. lol.)

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
KeyStorm, eXoenDo IS a helper on the support channel...

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Does it matter. Greenboy was still wrong.

/sright GiantSpider

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Originally posted by GiantSpider
Does it matter. Greenboy was still wrong.

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Originally posted by KeyStorm

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
KeyStorm, eXoenDo IS a helper on the support channel...

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Yes, he is, but he doesn't represent the MP! Community. Most helpers are not angry when they have to repeatedly tell people that it's not MSN Plus!, but Msg Plus!.

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Originally posted by MC Inferno
Sorry about the tread title, when I typed it i thought "some1's gonna say somethin...... ah well" Anyway, I've changed it to "MSN Fanatic's getting touchy!"

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GreenBoy has posted 3 stupid stuff about Plus! in the past week.... you should not waste your time with that kind of spam

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Originally posted by GiantSpider
uhm i was in there when that happened last night and came to this conclusion.
GreenBoy = Wanker.
He was also offically warned last night

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Respect: Members should respect others, and avoid making derogatory comments or giving rude treatment (flaming, for example).

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I couldn't agree better Greenboy.  People think these two forums are like two sports teams ready to duel, but we aren't.  You are welcome to our forum any time you please and we have a strict ToS to protect users.  Anyways, I think some people need to get their facts straight before they accuse us of such doing - haven't you people heard of taking a joke?

psyko
msnfanatic.com Evil-Administrator

Greenboy, no offense or anything, but where did you find the time to type that essay? You type better essays then when I'm actually thinking.

Anways, I don't think that this topic really needs to turn into gang wars so let's just end it.

Please read what I posted. This is not a gang war: hence the reason I posted.

Ending it just shows lack of commitment to actually be civil to the other side.

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Originally posted by psyko
You are welcome to your forum any time you please and we have a strict ToS to protect users.

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Originally posted by Greenboy^
I hope that the appropriate action will be taken against GS

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A quote from Chris Bulton on the Rules -

"These rules have not been enforced strictly enough, and therefore the quality of this forum seems to have degraded over time as more and more users tend to do what they want ignoring the community guidelines.

This announcement is to refresh everyones minds of these rules and to warn you that they will be strictly enforced from now on."

Well, obviously your user who used that word is violating the respect portion of your rules and you guys are supposed to enforce them strictly.  Anyways, our ToS doesn't discourage or anger anyone, as it expresses that we are a civilized, MSN programming-based community who will protect our user's rights, privacy, and beliefs; so they can enjoy a place where they won't feel scared to come...

tbh I found this funny... all this talk about respecting rules, strickt ToS's, etc... while I was banned by *beep* for no reason on MSNFanatic and then he goes lying about it to the other admins...

I don't give names for peace sake. This issue is old and dealt with and people can change (I hope)... but I still find it funny...

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
tbh I found this funny... all this talk about respecting rules, strickt ToS's, etc... while I was banned by *beep* for no reason on MSNFanatic and then he goes lying about it to the other admins...

I don't give names for peace sake. This issue is old and dealt with and people can change (I hope)... but I still find it funny...

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I'm just curious: what would you consider to be appropriate?

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As another note.. Giant Spider has crossed the threshold into Fanatic, you can checkit here:

http://www.msnfanatic.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9560&st=0&

You can read what I said there also, I want this to end: I apologise to those who I have been less than just towards in the past, and I hope that we can integrate our forum members more freely and without hassle, to build a stronger overall MSN community.

I'd also be much obliged if any admin would be able to reset my password for my 'greenboy' account =\

Greetz

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
tbh I found this funny... all this talk about respecting rules, strickt ToS's, etc... while I was banned by *beep* for no reason on MSNFanatic and then he goes lying about it to the other admins...

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Originally posted by Greenboy^
The reason being the amount of abuse I was receiving at the time in the msgplus IRC chan, for which I chose to refuse access to a number of users to the forums. But as you yourself said, carrying on that line of discussion will merely lead to tit for tat.

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Originally posted by Greenboy^
Each forum has their own set of rules and concordant consequences for violating them. On our forum they would either be warned through the warning system (which I'm aware isn't implemented on these forums) or by being banned.
When rules are set up on a forum, they need to be adhered to and enforced, otherwise people make a mockery of them.

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    It's a sad thing this "war" between two great communities. I for one have enough of this quarrel and want this to stop. I mean, for God's sake, both them are two of the greatest MSN related communities out there. If we were to stop this petty fighting and all got along, we would be forming the perfect unison of MSN communities yet. MSN Fanatic deals with programmining, whilst we (Messenger Plus!), deal with all the other MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger related content and support - without the presence of Mess.be's forums the burden of providing support for MSN software is layed upon us. In the end, we both deal with the same topics, same questions, same troubles etc.. why then, do we have to dislike each other? I mean, ok, half of you guys probably have no clue what I'm on about. But those of you that have seen how damaging these fights can be, why can't we just get along? I know it's not my right to judge anyone or anything, but it's in my honest opinion, that some of the members of this community have been immature and should grow up. Ridiculing and making degratory comments towards other members, not just MSN Fanatic members is not allowed on this community - so stop being little kids, grow up and adhere to the rules.

    Without a doubt, everyone that uses MSN's software will greatly benefit from our peace. There are very talented and helpful individuals here and at MSN Fanatic and if we were to get along, maybe..just maybe, we could learn from each other and benefit from MSN Fanatic's knowledge as they may benefit than ours. If we continue to fight, Messenger Plus!'s reputation will go down, the software's support will degrade - because we are losing a large community's support and as a result, the amount of people that use Messenger Plus! will lower because Internet Wars can get bitter and people can so easily boycott Messenger Plus! as a result of this silly war. People don't care what they say or who they say it to, as you'll probably never see that person ever again in life and so will never have to deal with your actions against them. Just give it a try people, respect MSN Fanatic's members and they'll respect you. Topics like this never do any good. People like me will just come along and lecture you guys on how to behave as if they were your parents. I don't know if I'm considered a respected/senior member, but seeing as I've been here long enough to consider myself as one, I'm  giving you my advise as a senior and respected member. Please just stop these petty quarrels, start over and let's improve both communities. Let's work hand in hand to make what could be, the best MSN related communities ever.

    I'm sure no one wants to hold grudges against people they don't know. MSN Fanatic is a great community, I'm a part of it and at the same time Messenger Plus! is a great community too. Now although they did make inappropriate comments..etc..etc.. it's all in the past. Please, let's just start over - start from the beginning. Our main priority is to help others, right? Well, I'm pretty sure it's the same over at MSN Fanatic. All they want to do is help..so why don't we help each other, help other people =)?

    Greenboy's right, if you set rules you should enforce them. By being overly nice to people they'll just see this and take advantage of the situation. People only go against the rules because they know that the staff aren't enforcing them very strongly. Most people just sit and laugh at the rules whenever someone reminds them of their existance. Here's another instance of this happening,

    GiantSpider - I'm sure you are aware of the rules of this forum? If not, read them again. You have no right to go and insult people, even more so, it infringes the forum policy..technically..

    [*]Respect: Members should respect others, and avoid making derogatory comments or giving rude treatment (flaming, for example). Also respect the privacy of others, and don't share their personal information without permission.

    I know I'm not staff, but if no ones going to point out the rules and show people what they did wrong, I'll do it. You should be showing respect for ANY member, regardless who they are. Your comment about Greenboy is completely unacceptable, I doubt you expected to be lectured on this, but there you are. Please grow up and stop insulting people. You've had your fun and I'm sorry if you're the only one I've caught, but I've been too busy to be on these forums to "catch" anyone else

    Most of you people think it's fine to swear, think it's fine to start fighting, think it's fine to spam. Well it's not. If you think it is, then please read this (yes, they do exist). After you've done that, remember that because you are a devoted, old member of this community. It's your duty to set a good example for the new members that flow in daily. If the experienced members of this community were to take up a stand and set a good example for everyone, then I'm sure everyone else will follow suit (with the occasional trouble maker than any community gets every so often). If we want to make our precious community a better source of support, then we should start by changing ourselves and the way we respond to challenges, rudeness etc..., rather than making the new members model themselves to our "ways". Patchou has said it before, the best way to stop people from getting angry with you/showing no gratitude for your help is to smile and help them with a smile regardless of how they treat you on first "contact" and any other support calls following that.

    If you've been banned or whatever by an MSN Fanatic please forgive them, I can't apologise on their behalf but we are all humans, we all get mad, we all make mistakes. The guys over there are cool, serious about their talents and nice..just give them a chance please..I'm sure they'll give you one too.

    Anyway, I'm basically trying to tell you guys to give this peace between communities a try. No one should be branded and then disregarded from some places just because of their beliefs or what "side" they are on. If you are willing to try being at piece with MSN Fanatic, then you're moving on to make Messenger Plus! a better community. That is what we need right now, we're broken because the helpers/members keep getting annoyed at people who complain about the sponsor or at people who don't follow the rules, don't search or edit their posts..etc.. but most pressingly, we are broken because a number of our members are "our enemies", were, our enemies. Just because someone voices their opinion, it doesn't give you the right to flame them or attack them. They have a right to their opinion, remember that. Just kindly move them in the right direction and KINDLY inform them of their wrongs. By replying just the for the sole purpose of "settling the score" with sponsorware complainers, you are just further degrading the quality of this community.

    Just think about what I've said (I probably made many mistakes or said some pointless crap, but oh well. That's life.), have an open mind towards this change and let it flow. See how it goes, please.

    -EvilSeph,
    evilseph-at-digital-fanatic.com Some rank at some place (Administrator @ Digital-Fanatic.com).
    Messenger Plus! Helper and Critic

hmm.. i'll add a lil comment.. its sad to think someone is to be offended with one little word, "Wanker".. then preach the ToS to everyone to think everyone doesnt read it or blind, to be honest, someone preaching your own ToS to your faces(msgplus folk and their admins, im sure they arent blind greenboy and co)  is somewhat of an insult.. every forum has their rules and the way they run their forums, am i correct all you msgplus faithful? so as members of both, i'll adjust accordingly to each ones rules and it isnt that hard.

i won't be able to see it till l8r on 2nite, cause it sez i don't have permission ...

Please don't try and undermine what's happening on these forums just because of your own personal feelings towards me Doggie = Lame.

If you'd bothered to read the topic properly, the posts I made were not about the TOS primarily but as a gesture.

I'm entirely away that every forum has different rules and different ways of enforcing them, as I said in my previous post. However, as Psyko and Evilseph have both pointed out - the rules are clear, and the strict adhersion to them.

Anyway, this in itself is a side issue. The point is that we need to, as admins/mods of both sites be active in promoting civility between the forums - and stopping abuse as soon as it starts.

Agreed.?
(as Seph said)

And Chris: Thans for resetting the pass, my BNC will have caught the msgs on irc

Greetz

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Originally posted by Greenboy^
Anyway, this in itself is a side issue. The point is that we need to, as admins/mods of both sites be active in promoting civility between the forums - and stopping abuse as soon as it starts.

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Not to flare this up again but if you want me to be punished then I could well demand the same for you. Like I have said my comments were made in regard to the treatment i recieved on irc. However it seems GrennBoy is willing to leave it alone and I was welcomed very nicely on msnfanatic.

thats because he was told to shut his mouth most likely

I think that everything is said by now...
I also think that we all agree that we must get along, everybody makes mistakes, and we all can learn from them. The past is the past...
Don't open old wounds, even if they left a scar

Although both forums are different with different rules, we share the same purpose... I'm also dreaming of a happy joined community, like many others, so let's make that dream come true

cheers

i just wanted to express myself about this 'war' going on. i'm going to get comments that's for sure

i think both sides were wrong.

msnfanatic: Patchou was stupid developing an add-on, then adding spyware so that hen got money for noobs etc. All the msgplus members are noobs etc. - patchou did what all developers would do with a free add-on. let's just face it. oh and not everyone is a noob (which means for me, a beginner in informatics, or just a home user). i'm just taking someone i know a little bit: cookierevised. comparing the average msnfanatic member to cookie for who's the most noobish, it's the average msnfanatic member.

messenger plus! forums: msnfanatic are lamers. they think they're 1337 super computer users and we hail patchou. - Well, first of all, msnfanatic are not lamers. you have to face it: there are lots of little script kiddies/hackers of 13 years old who misuse messenger plus! and stop taking sarcasm too seriously. Other thing: "I found this rather amusing" is a great joke, if you understand it and if you don't have anything against GB. For the source code :  come one patchou, doggie asking if you will release anything (that source code) is perfectly normal. Imagine: a little 11-year old 1337 programmer comes and asks you if you have some code for him. You'd kindly say no. Now doggie asks it, and now you're sad.

About the tos sh*t: let's not get into the rules, everyone made a mistake, and at msnfanatic we did what we could. i believe kaos has been warned for spamming (in the msgplus threads ). And now he's banned for misbehaving.

Even if i'm nor mod nor admin at msnfanatic, i believe i do represent a small part of that community.

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Originally posted by Millenium_edition
messenger plus! forums: msnfanatic are lamers. they think they're 1337 super computer users and we hail patchou. - Well, first of all, msnfanatic are not lamers. you have to face it: there are lots of little script kiddies/hackers of 13 years old who misuse messenger plus! and stop taking sarcasm too seriously. Other thing: "I found this rather amusing" is a great joke, if you understand it and if you don't have anything against GB. For the source code :  come one patchou, doggie asking if you will release anything (that source code) is perfectly normal. Imagine: a little 11-year old 1337 programmer comes and asks you if you have some code for him. You'd kindly say no. Now doggie asks it, and now you're sad.

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I was saying we were both wrong, as it wasn't general, nor on msgplus, nor on msnfanatic - they have too many members for that.

oh and btw, i read both sides, and i'm not ant-plus!, if that's the feeling you get.

Still goin on about it, stop it! Let bygone's be bygone's.

I think this thread should be removed now!!! Mods!!!


BTW i expect that the flaming stuff will be removed on MSN Fanatic too, come on guys let's keep the peace. Greenboy?

Millenium_edition speaks wisely. Why starting another war? I've not read all the posts on this thread but still Greenboy, you have to admit that your thread about "msn plus" on msnfanatic was really unnecessary... I don't know if it was your let's-hate-Plus week but I can understand why some people didn't like it as I myself was surprised that you suddently start dissing my soft in half of your posts.

Anyway, let's be nice with each other, people have the right not to like a software, with or without a reason, and developping Plus! taught me that the hard way: you can't make everyone happy .

Thread closed, if you have something to add, just create another thread .

EDIT: I've read the end of your post Millenium and I have no idea what you're talking about when you mention code sharing and doggie. For the record: I'm not sad about anything related to my code .