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programming n00b by Eljay on 05-31-2004 at 07:22 AM

Right well straight to the point.
I've been thinking about becoming a programmer for ages (even though i am 14:D) but everything seems so complicated and i dont know where 2 begin in learning how to program.
Any recomendations for websites/programs would be appreciated :P

Also does nebody have mesngr 6.1 setup file as i cant find it anywhere :(:(:(

RE: programming n00b by Anubis on 05-31-2004 at 07:58 AM

quote:
Originally posted by leejeffery
even though i am 14
...what's abnormal with programming at the age of 14?...I'd suggest you learn HTML first, just so you get on the path to programming, don't use FrontPage or something similar use just notepad, then you'll have a basic knowledge of how to put very simple code together...
Then buy Microsoft Visual Basic 6 (there's several out there in shops it doesn't really matter which you buy IMO) and get a book on learning Visual Basic 6...Then you take it from there...
One huge tip when learning any programming if you ever get confused or puzzled just muddle through...and don't give up ;)...
RE: programming n00b by Eljay on 05-31-2004 at 08:18 AM

well i already know basic html but thanks for your help neway anubis.
also ne ideas about where i can get 6.1??

RE: programming n00b by KeyStorm on 05-31-2004 at 11:11 AM

By the way... I'm not sure learning VB will help you much in the future.

You could start with Java or C wich are more serioud programming languages, also mor difficult, btw ;)

I think, to follow the path of HTML you could try it with PHP. Wich is very easy, it is Object Orientated like C and Java and you will have much success easily ;)

Well, my personal suggestion.

Otherways, VB is more useful for building applications and it's rather easy. But jumping from VB to VisualC++ (the visual brother of C++, like Pascal and Delphi) is hard, better the other way: VC++ to VB.

RE: programming n00b by Sunshine on 05-31-2004 at 11:40 AM

MSN Messenger 6.1.0211 can be found at: http://kaonet.net/page.php?id=84

direct downloadlink: http://kaonet.net/page.php?id=84&a=dl

RE: programming n00b by Choli on 05-31-2004 at 11:56 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Anubis
I'd suggest you learn HTML first, just so you get on the path to programming,
HTML is not a programming language, and imo it's useless learn those codes, as there are lots of programs that can generate web pages for you (read: frontpage, dreamweaver, etc...)
quote:
Originally posted by KeyStorm
I'm not sure learning VB will help you much in the future.
of course it will.
quote:
Originally posted by KeyStorm
But jumping from VB to VisualC++ (the visual brother of C++, like Pascal and Delphi) is hard, better the other way: VC++ to VB.
imo, going from vb to vc is as easy as going from vc to vb, of course, if you suppose the same initial level of knowledge of both languages.

[edit] however, usually VC++ programmers have more experience so for they it's easier change from their VC++ to VB than for VB programmers (with less experience) change from VB to VC (that's what I wanted to mean) [/edit]


Ok. You're 14. I'd suggest you start with VB. It's easy, you'll get good results quickly and you'll learn the basic things about programming. Starting with VC++ or Java just will things be like :wall:. Once you have learnt how to program in VB, changin to VC++, Java, Delphi, etc... will be just learn a couple of new things specific to the new language. The idea of how things are done will be the same and you'll already have it.

That is for making programs for Windows. PHP is for web. It's as easy (or as hard) as C. You can try it, but I think that what you're looking for is make Windows programs. :)

btw, there was a thread about the same some time ago... I'll try to search it....

Edit:
in http://shoutbox.menthix.net/showthread.php?tid=24215 you'll find a similar discussion... (not all the thread is about that, but it's a short thread, read all it :P)
RE: programming n00b by KeyStorm on 05-31-2004 at 12:10 PM

But btw, learning Java is not difficult and jumping then to C is no much structural difference.
VB is a rather limited language, hence it's much better to bet on VC++ although, yeah, really tough. Anyway, it has the best of VB and the best of C. Microsoft is the only one really supporting VB, while for generic portable use C seems to be the most capable language.

Anyway, Choli, I bet you know what you're talking about. :P:bow:

RE: programming n00b by Choli on 05-31-2004 at 12:35 PM

quote:
Originally posted by KeyStorm
learning Java is not difficult
I don't think so, specially for a 14-years-old person. The concept of classes (main concept in java, very important in VC++ too) is something that can't be easyly understood by everyone. That's why the best (for he) is VB. Just draw the window, put buttons and things, double click the button and write the code that will be executed when clicked. easy. the same in java... awt, classes, constructors, methods... +o( (in VC++ the same as in java: resources, classes, ->DoModal()'s, etc..)
quote:
Originally posted by KeyStorm
Choli, I bet you know what you're talking about.
:blah!: *cough*even if today I've finished the classes of computer science studies at the uni*cough* that doesn't mean I know everything :p I may be wrong
RE: programming n00b by KeyStorm on 05-31-2004 at 01:01 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Choli
The concept of classes
I learned that at school last year... I was... 17.
It's difficult, but once you get it, you can't think of anything else ;).

Btw, I still didn't use classes in PHP. It's not really essential for basic coding.
RE: programming n00b by Millenium_edition on 05-31-2004 at 03:01 PM

VB's got OOP too... lol dude i'm 14 too and i understand the concept of classes ;)

RE: programming n00b by Eljay on 05-31-2004 at 06:03 PM

woah big response
thanx guys
but which 1 would u recomend first (in other words which is easiest :P)

RE: programming n00b by Sk3tch on 05-31-2004 at 06:05 PM

quote:
Originally posted by leejeffery
(in other words which is easiest :P)
For programming? Id say VB :P 

Or more actually, VB is easier to learn..
RE: programming n00b by Kryptonate on 05-31-2004 at 06:14 PM

yes, VB is I think much easier to learn if you don't know much about programming.

RE: programming n00b by KeyStorm on 05-31-2004 at 06:21 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Millenium_edition
VB's got OOP too...
At a veeery primary stage it has the defined types, but anything "serious" afaik.

Yeah, start with VB anyway.
RE: programming n00b by Choli on 05-31-2004 at 07:09 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Millenium_edition
lol dude i'm 14 too and i understand the concept of classes
not everybody is like you. When I was 14 I didn't even know what a program was and I understood classes when was 20/21.
quote:
Originally posted by KeyStorm
quote:
Originally posted by Millenium_edition
VB's got OOP too...
At a veeery primary stage it has the defined types, but anything "serious" afaik.
I haven't worked with VB classes very much, but I think they're as serious as C++ ones. They have their contructors and destructors, attributes and methods, etc...
quote:
Originally posted by leejeffery
but which 1 would u recomend first (in other words which is easiest )
yep, VB (Y)
RE: programming n00b by KeyStorm on 05-31-2004 at 07:14 PM

Does have inheritance and polymorphy? ^o) Well, it would gladly surprise me (Y)

RE: programming n00b by Choli on 05-31-2004 at 07:23 PM

quote:
Originally posted by KeyStorm
Does have inheritance and polymorphy? ^o) Well, it would gladly surprise me (Y)
:rolleyes: oh, well, didn't think about that :$

anyway, there are out there also called OOP languages that hasn't got them :P

Btw, talking about OOP, I agrre that VB is not the best language where you can learn OO programming ;)
RE: programming n00b by lhunath on 05-31-2004 at 07:28 PM

psst.. I think you're really beginning to confuse leejeffery xD

RE: programming n00b by Vantage on 05-31-2004 at 07:29 PM

If u want to Learn VB you can but im telling you its a boring Language that takes a hell of a long time to learn, im now learning the basics of C and it's much funner.

RE: programming n00b by Choli on 05-31-2004 at 07:56 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Vantage
If u want to Learn VB you can but im telling you its a boring Language that takes a hell of a long time to learn, im now learning the basics of C and it's much funner.
i don't agree on that... VB is funny, C may not be, specially when you have things like
code:
while(*d++=*s++);
and pointers to functions returning pointers.... etc..:P
RE: programming n00b by CookieRevised on 06-01-2004 at 01:30 AM

What's easiest to learn? VB by far...

Note: Remember that "VB" stands for "Visual Basic", and "Basic" stands for Beginners All-purpose Symbolic Instruction Code... The purpose of Basic is to give beginning programmers a "easy" way of learning the programming principles. Although, nowadays, (Visual)Basic is far from a small, basic, non-advanced programming language. But it is still very easy to learn...

And once you get the hang of it (which will be very quick), you can decide to switch over to C++ or something...

RE: programming n00b by Eljay on 06-01-2004 at 07:12 AM

thanks 2 evrybody for the big response about what i should learn first but now i have another question for you to argue over :P
Do i need a specialist program to learn and code in VB or are there any freeware/shareware programs for it?

RE: programming n00b by Choli on 06-01-2004 at 10:00 AM

quote:
Originally posted by leejeffery
thanks 2 evrybody for the big response about what i should learn first but now i have another question for you to argue over
Do i need a specialist program to learn and code in VB or are there any freeware/shareware programs for it?
no need to double post :P

VB is from Microsoft, so you should buy it. It comes inside Visual Studio, that includes VB, VC++, etc... I dunno it there is anther tool where you can write programs in (Visual)Basic.
RE: programming n00b by Eljay on 06-01-2004 at 10:45 AM

nah i dont think ill bother as the cheapest edition is £89.99 and i dont want to pay :P
ok let me start a new question
which is the easiest type of programming that you can code using freeware.

RE: programming n00b by Eljay on 06-01-2004 at 11:38 AM

dw now i found a free program for programming in BASIC
http://download.com.com/3000-2212-2399176.html?tag=lst-0-2
duz nebody like my new signature??

RE: programming n00b by saralk on 06-01-2004 at 02:44 PM

its old and boring now

RE: programming n00b by spokes on 06-02-2004 at 06:35 AM

Dude, i started in april 2003, i was 12 then, and i agree it is easy. (When you get the hang of it) but that does'nt take too long. I tried switching over to VC++ and i failed, it's way too confusing. So I'm going to try and switch from vb.net to vc++ as it may be easier goin from .net as it is a little harder and mor like vc++. Good luck with basic lee, To be honest i think its a little too basic!

RE: programming n00b by ipab on 06-02-2004 at 08:03 AM

i jsut stated 2 learn vb, like 2 months bak, an i ahvent programmes before, hope that i learn quickly, does anyone have any pointers

RE: programming n00b by Blair on 06-02-2004 at 08:07 AM

If ya want to get into programming, doing IPT courses at skool and learning the basics from someone you can ask questions i.e. the teacher, is the best way in my opinion. I started programmin C++  last yr and once ya know the basics u can read books and do more out of skool. Once ya know C++ VB is piss easy^o)