i realy want to edit these files to make a music video   but windows movie maker and adobe premiere are not compitable with these files.... that kinda sux         

does anyone know a program for what i want. ??  (or a plugin for movie maker of premiere)

PS: i allready did encode it to .avi but than he quality is more bad and when you want a good quality you have to encode with xvid or something and than a original file of 30 MB becomes 130 MB

What you have to understand about the RealAudio and RealVideo formats is that Real owns them, and as such don't let anyone else make programs that support them, and as for converting, I think the legal options are none.  That leaves Real's own collection of corporately priced editing software.  When I looked it up, I was quite surprised to find that their main editing suite, RealProducer, does have a free version.  However, if "Job File Saving, re-using, and sharing support" means saving any work you've done, then you won't get very far, although that might only mean saving the structure of your work (i.e. you might be able to export but have to start over once you exit).  I can't guarantee it's not as ad-ridden as RealPlayer RealOne Player RealPlayer is either.  In fact, looking at the comparison chart, all your can really do in full is bastardise your media collection into the inflexible, monopolistic formats owned by Real.  But you can give it a go, just to see.  If not, there's the $200 pro version.  I bet Real didn't see that choice coming.

i guess you're right that real owns it..  so program converters like EO Video are illegal ?? 

but yeah i will download the program you told me to and i will see what i can do.. 

thnk you very much for your help and if i have more questions about it    i will ask it here

I just had a look at EO Video, and it simply uses an instance of the Real media player integrated into it.  So long as it says that this part was developed by Real, it's legal.  I suspect the converter simply plays the realvideo and captures it into another format.  I don't know if that's legal but it's very lossy so Real probably aren't that bothered about it.

alright

but everything worked out  i can make avi files out of rm/rmvb with EO video now and i can make rmvb files out of avi and other files with helix producer plus  so i am happy with that off course

thnx again

Twan