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by CookieRevised on 07-31-2004 at 05:38 AM
When a contact doesn't have Messenger Plus! and you type an action message like "/me is doing some stuff", then he/she will see:
«I is doing some stuff»
A nice alternative, but then the sentence isn't very correct I think....
So, can this be change to "me" instead? Although it still sounds a bit dodgy, it sounds way better then "I"...
And of course for compatibility Plus! should still reconize and convert the «I...»-format.
EDIT: I've edited the post a bit, I hope this makes it more clearer 
by Sk3tch on 07-31-2004 at 05:45 AM
Its a nice idea, but i think the Message " is writing a message' is inside the msgland.dll so it is actually local. So.. you can change it, but the change would only be local 
I think thats right anyways 
by Chrono on 07-31-2004 at 05:48 AM
i asked the same thing to patchou long time ago and he said he wouldnt/couldnt do it (i dont remember well, nor what was the reason 
)
by Mnjul on 07-31-2004 at 05:53 AM
quote:Cookie means the action message aka "/me"...what he said about "«I is typing an action message»" was just an example
Originally posted by Sk3tch
Its a nice idea, but i think the Message " is writing a message' is inside the msgland.dll so it is actually local. So.. you can change it, but the change would only be local
I think thats right anyways
by Sk3tch on 07-31-2004 at 06:02 AM
quote:ooh
Originally posted by Mnjul
quote:Cookie means the action message aka "/me"...what he said about "«I is typing an action message»" was just an example
Originally posted by Sk3tch
Its a nice idea, but i think the Message " is writing a message' is inside the msgland.dll so it is actually local. So.. you can change it, but the change would only be local
I think thats right anyways
lol nvm mind me then, i was thinking about the 'User Is Typing' message..hmm, i guess if Chrono already asked Patchou, it wont be included
by RaceProUK on 07-31-2004 at 10:23 AM
Chrono asked about the 'User is typing' message.
I don't think there's much point changing the 'I' to 'me' tbh. As you said Cookie, it'll still sound dodgy, and anyway, if the contact wants to see the message porperly, they should get Plus.
by KeyStorm on 07-31-2004 at 11:37 AM
Err... No. 'me...' doesn't sound as bad as 'I...'. So I t should be changed. At least "me does..." is used colocquially and "I does..." is used only in Westerns 
by Anubis on 07-31-2004 at 01:18 PM
No matter what you change it to it'll still be dodgy...a nicer alternative would be to make the letter change the I to (!NP)...That way at least the message would make sense no matter what...don't know if there's anything wrong with that, I haven't particularly got my thinking cap on today...
Edit: "I is doing some stuff" sounds something like Ali G would say...
by Choli on 07-31-2004 at 02:31 PM
quote:wouldn't, it's wouldn't; he can do it
Originally posted by Chrono
he said he wouldnt/couldnt do it
I understand Cookie's suggestion, however I don't agree. Why? Easy: If plus sends «Me is doing some stuff» then older versions of plus wouldn't be able to recognize it as a /me command. That's the reason Patchou gave to Chrono.
by jmccarroll on 07-31-2004 at 02:33 PM
quote:Couldn't you just go into word filter and enter 'I is' and replace it with 'I am.' I mean you've said it, I is isn't correct so how often would you type it. I think that would be a good alternative to the problem instead of having Patchou go and change his program.
Originally posted by CookieRevised
When a contact doesn't have Messenger Plus! and you type an action message like "/me is doing some stuff", then he/she will see:
«I is doing some stuff»
A nice alternative, but then the sentence isn't very correct I think....
So, can this be change to "me" instead? Although it still sounds a bit dodgy, it sounds way better then "I"...
And of course for compatibility Plus! should still reconize and convert the «I...»-format.
by RaceProUK on 07-31-2004 at 03:05 PM
The problem is, if they see the «I...», they won't have Plus. Therefore, they won't have the word filters.
by Choli on 07-31-2004 at 03:10 PM
nooo .. owww, people don't understand I'll explain this a bit:
As you all know (should know), Plus has a command named /me. What does it do? Well, you can write:
code:and instead of
/me is happy
code:you'll see
Choli says:
/me is happy
code:
* Choli is happy
Of course, your contact and you must have plus installed to use the command and see its result. If you have plus but your contact doesn't, then he/she would see
code:
«I is happy»
How does it work?
Let's see: You type
code:then plus replaces that by
/me something
code:and then plus sends it.
«I something»
When (at the other side) Plus received a message in the form
code:it changes the way it should be displayed and shows
«I something»
code:If the contact who receives the message doesn't have plus, he/she will just see what has been sent, ie:
* Nick_of_the_person_who_sent_the_message something
code:
«I something»
Cookie's suggestion
He says: Instead of sending
code:why not send
«I something»
code:?
«me something»
Well, the idea is good, because people without plus would see that and that would make more sense; however people with a non-updated plus would see the same, because Plus wouldn't recognice that as a /me command. That's why I don't agree with the suggestion.
quote:I'm not sure if that would change the text, however you can, instead of writing
Originally posted by jmccarroll
Couldn't you just go into word filter and enter 'I is' and replace it with 'I am.'
code:you can write
/me is doing something
code:What would happen? well, people with plus would see
/me am doing something
code:and that makes no sense.
* Nick am doing something
Conclusion
If you're using the /me command, that's because you want to use an acction command, ie: say something in 3rd person (Choli is bla bla bla instead of I am bla bla bla). And it your contacts don't have plus, well, tell them to install it or live with the fact that some features of plus need that the other contact has plus too (/me commands, colors, formatting (bold, italics,...) automessages, pings, etc...)
by Millenium_edition on 07-31-2004 at 05:30 PM
thats what i call an explanation enough reasons tough not to add it
by aNILEator on 07-31-2004 at 06:48 PM
an even better thing not
"me something" BUT "I'm something"
I know i usually would type sumat like
//me scheming ¬_¬
so it would display on a Plus! user:
Nile: scheming ¬_¬
so a non plus viewer would see
<<I'm scheming ¬_¬>>
by Choli on 07-31-2004 at 07:42 PM
quote:that's not the idea. The thig is type thigs like
Originally posted by Fukafly
"me something" BUT "I'm something"
/me thinks bla bla bla
and with your suggestion it'd become
I'm thinks bla bla bla
by CookieRevised on 08-01-2004 at 02:06 AM
quote:Yep true, .... I forgot about that...
Originally posted by Choli
I understand Cookie's suggestion, however I don't agree. Why? Easy: If plus sends «Me is doing some stuff» then older versions of plus wouldn't be able to recognize it as a /me command. That's the reason Patchou gave to Chrono.
but... If I'm not mistaken, there are already things changed which aren't compatible with older versions (emosounds for example).
Furthermore, change isn't bad, as long as it is a good change.
Of course, I'm in no position at all to dictate what Patchou should do, and I can only say what I would do in such a situation, and that is to update this "old mistake", even if it means that older versions will not reconize it anymore...
Afterall, we always encourage people to update Plus! to the latest version (and almost all do if I'm not mistaken); it's not like a program where you wouldn't benefit of an update, like there are some and where people (are forced to) stay with an older version....
by RaceProUK on 08-01-2004 at 10:17 AM
Users on Win95 won't be able to upgrade to Plus 3 though, so you've got to keep stuff compatible with 2.54.0075.
by CookieRevised on 08-01-2004 at 01:28 PM
Crap... didn't think of that either.... so this small "mistake" is always gonna be there then
by Choli on 08-01-2004 at 05:11 PM
quote:are you sure? i don't think so. Anyway, i didn't try it.
Originally posted by CookieRevised
If I'm not mistaken, there are already things changed which aren't compatible with older versions (emosounds for example).
quote:for the same reason we encourage people to install plus, so if everyone has plus there wouldn't be any problem
Originally posted by CookieRevised
we always encourage people to update Plus! to the latest version
quote:
Originally posted by raceprouk
Users on Win95 won't be able to upgrade to Plus 3 though, so you've got to keep stuff compatible with 2.54.0075.
quote:then, we'll tell those people to update to a newer version of windows
Originally posted by CookieRevised
Crap... didn't think of that either.... so this small "mistake" is always gonna be there then
(or patchou could release an updated 2.x version for win95 (j/k))
by aNILEator on 08-01-2004 at 07:40 PM
windows 95 is like almost 10 years old now i think those people should consider spending £75 on the windows xp update disc thingy
by lopardo on 08-01-2004 at 07:59 PM
quote:I think most computers still running Windows 95 aren't capable of running XP...
Originally posted by Fukafly
windows 95 is like almost 10 years old now i think those people should consider spending £75 on the windows xp update disc thingy
(you have to update the computer, which costs more than £75).Anyways, why doesn't MsgPlus 3 work in Windows 95?
by RaceProUK on 08-01-2004 at 08:15 PM
I don't know. All I know is the system requirements for Plus 3 say 98 at a minimum.
by Choli on 08-01-2004 at 08:17 PM
quote:plus needs IExplorer 5 or better to run. Does IE 5 come with Win95? maybe that's the problem, i don't know.
Originally posted by lopardo
Anyways, why doesn't MsgPlus 3 work in Windows 95?
by RaceProUK on 08-01-2004 at 08:26 PM
I've managed to install IE5 on 95 before... so maybe Plus 3 will work...
by Patchou on 08-02-2004 at 05:08 AM
Nope, Plus!3 will not accept to be installed on Windows 95 and Windows NT 4, for technical reasons. However, version 2 works perfectly fine on these oldies .
As for changing the text send by /me, I can't, for backward compatibility reasons. Also, as someone already said, what it'S changed to, it will never make perfect sense (and don't forget it has to be international so for most of my users, "I" doesn't mean anything already anyway).
by Choli on 08-03-2004 at 01:34 PM
quote:true, good point....
Originally posted by Patchou
(and don't forget it has to be international so for most of my users, "I" doesn't mean anything already anyway).