I haven't seen any discussion on this subject... lot of people are just saying that Firefox is the next gen browser, few good words for opera as well... but why is that so?..

I'm a desperate IE patriot - I have tried almost every alternative browser which I could run on XP and nothing even comes close... starting from reliability to comfortability...

don't make postings such "IE sux"... I'm in need for a descent discussion...

IE is good, but firefox has everything IE has and
Tabbed browsing
A good download function (u can pause downloads and it tells u wen its finished with a popup)
You can have mini-games for firefox
Better skins (the ability to download many and switch between them)
Lots of web pages for the homepage (opened in tabs)
Easy access to the favorites
Better favorites
Comes with free Google search (which u can easily get rid of)


Surely thats enough?
I wud like to know exactely wot is BAD about it and wot makes IE 'better'

IE has some unforgivable flaws, which still aren't fixed even tough they exist for a very long time. XP SP2 was going to fix some of them, but still nothing =/

Here is one thread that was from me....Usefull information in it!


The Best Web Browers?

does that answer his question?

hmm...i got directed to a different link was that before u edited it?

Y'all have convinced me finally to drop IE and give Firefox a go. Will I use my IE favourite folder?

wen u install Firefox it automatically transfers EVERYTHING (saved passwords, favorites etc) so u dont have to worry about anything

Impressive Thanks

u see how much better Firefox is? have u got the address to download it?

p.s.i have never used any other of the web browsers but I hear that the only one that comes close to Firefox is Opera and alot of people i know dont like that....but u may

I love it already

i wud also like to recommend another 'Theme' to use for FireFox...it looks much better than the one u get with it.
go to Tools->Themes->Get More Themes
There is a Most Popular box. Number 1 is Noia 2.0 (eXtreme)
it is probably the best theme to get

You know what? I'll have to elaburate it more. I' like microsoft software, the fact I'm runnig a microsoft computer with microsoft software sorta feels right. Not any more... this is up there with Winamp with the best download ever....

Anyone i two mins and even if your not... give a try please.... theres no harm in it.....

(Btw, I was about to ppost this and then I clicked on theme just before I did.... thank god i did... you were right, its a beast! )

Yeah, just remember to click "I refuse" during the installation, I've heard it may install Java if you don't and if you thought lop.com was hard to get rid of, wait to see Java in action .

What's wrong with having Java installed? I installed it with Opera and it didn't cause any problems...

I will say 1 thing about tabbed browsing, if you have say 2 sites open, 1 you want to close one you want to keep open, you can easily close the entire browser LOSING the page you want.

94% of US Internet users use IE which says something.

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I will say 1 thing about tabbed browsing, if you have say 2 sites open, 1 you want to close one you want to keep open, you can easily close the entire browser LOSING the page you want.

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94% of US Internet users use IE which says something.

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I haven't seen any discussion on this subject.

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comfortability

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firefox has everything IE

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Easy access to the favorites
Better favorites

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Originally posted by Millenium_edition
IE has some unforgivable flaws, which still aren't fixed even tough they exist for a very long time. XP SP2 was going to fix some of them, but still nothing

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u see how much better Firefox is? have u got the address to download it?

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just remember to click "I refuse" during the installation, I've heard it may install Java if you don't and if you thought lop.com was hard to get rid of, wait to see Java in action

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I will say 1 thing about tabbed browsing, if you have say 2 sites open, 1 you want to close one you want to keep open, you can easily close the entire browser LOSING the page you want.

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1744 votes on download.com give 96% of postitive feedback for firefox.

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People always say these things (i did too ). But give a example of which unforgivable flaw isn't fixed yet (link)? Because a lot is actually fixed in SP2 / latest patches.

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I will say 1 thing about tabbed browsing, if you have say 2 sites open, 1 you want to close one you want to keep open, you can easily close the entire browser LOSING the page you want.

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that because you're not used to it. takes time, that's all.

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94% of US Internet users use IE which says something.

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that says they all have windows installed and i'm sure at least 80% doesn't know what "alternate browser" means.

You know what says something: 1744 votes on download.com give 96% of postitive feedback for firefox.

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Microsoft Internet Explorer 6: Currently, 18 out of 58 Secunia advisories, is marked as "Unpatched" in the Secunia database. = http://secunia.com/product/11/
Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.5: Currently, 9 out of 49 Secunia advisories, is marked as "Unpatched" in the Secunia database. = http://secunia.com/product/10/
Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.01: Currently, 8 out of 39 Secunia advisories, is marked as "Unpatched" in the Secunia database. = http://secunia.com/product/9/

Mozilla Firefox 0.x: Currently, 1 out of 10 Secunia advisories, is marked as "Unpatched" in the Secunia database. = http://secunia.com/product/3256/
Mozilla 1.7.x: Currently, 1 out of 4 Secunia advisories, is marked as "Unpatched" in the Secunia database. = http://secunia.com/product/3691/

That's exactly with what i ment by "give a example". I guess this is one of the reasons why i prefer Firefox above IE too, but being able to costumize my browser how i like it is more important to me. I know that security should have higher priority... oh well, it's just a home system and i know what i do .


But on the other hand:
http://bcheck.scanit.be/bcheck/ on Internet Explorer 6.0 at my own Windows XP system (still on SP1):
The Browser Security Test is finished. Please find the results below:
High Risk Vulnerabilities 0
Medium Risk Vulnerabilities 0
Low Risk Vulnerabilities 0

http://bcheck.scanit.be/bcheck/ on Firefox 0.9.3 at my own Windows XP system:
High Risk Vulnerabilities: 0
Medium Risk Vulnerabilities: 0
Low Risk Vulnerabilities: 0

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That's exactly with what i ment by "give a example". I guess this is one of the reasons why i prefer Firefox above IE too, but being able to costumize my browser how i like it is more important to me. I know that security should have higher priority... oh well, it's just a home system and i know what i do .

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i like firefox better than ie but i like avant better than firefox firefox is good for going to porn sites though but its tabs arent used by default for clicking links avant its default though

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i like firefox better than ie but i like avant better than firefox firefox is good for going to porn sites though but its tabs arent used by default for clicking links avant its default though

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or use Tab Browser Preferences, as it is much less of a behemoth

i didn't read the whole thread but...
Nobody thinks that IE suxks it's just the fact that FF has more functions,runs faster,has extensions,... it's just better then IE.

*slowly raises hand* I think IE sucks....



well, i think it does more bad than good. ActiveX makes installing badstuff simple, the security flaws that go unfixed for months arn't helping anyone, and its lack of development is holding back the mass adaptation of Web standards.

I agree with bach_m.... my life would be alot better without IE. 

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*slowly raises hand* I think IE sucks....



well, i think it does more bad than good. ActiveX makes installing badstuff simple, the security flaws that go unfixed for months arn't helping anyone, and its lack of development is holding back the mass adaptation of Web standards.

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well, i think it does more bad than good. ActiveX makes installing badstuff simple, the security flaws that go unfixed for months arn't helping anyone, and its lack of development is holding back the mass adaptation of Web standards.

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Question I put to you is have you tried SP2?  If you have the reason you put for IE "sucking" doesn't exist (as far as my experience goes).

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In reference to your poor attempt at sayimg MS is purposefully NOT keeping up to date:

Microsoft on Monday withdrew from a United Nations software standards group for commerce, citing "business reasons."

Earlier this year, Microsoft's participation had created controversy within the group, which is attempting to define standards for creating a new generation of Internet services to automate buying and selling through networks of computers.

Advocates of proprietary and open approaches to software technology standards had clashed within the organization, which is known as the United Nations Center for Trade Facilitation and Electronic Business, or U.N./Cefact. Microsoft, a maker of proprietary software, opposes the use of open-source software, which is freely shared.

But Microsoft's withdrawal on Monday apparently was not directly related to the earlier controversy, according to several industry representatives. Rather, they said, it stemmed from a set of thorny issues over control of intellectual property that is being contributed to the standards-setting effort.

In an e-mail message sent Monday to two officials of the U.N. standards group, Dave Welsh, a Microsoft program manager, wrote: "Microsoft regularly evaluates its standards participation and its available resources for effective participation. Unfortunately, for now, we have made the decision to stop participating in U.N./Cefact for business reasons and this serves as notification of our immediate withdrawal from all U.N./Cefact activities."

The e-mail message also noted that previous Microsoft contributions to the group were not bound by the negotiations taking place over the control of intellectual property.

Microsoft executives declined to comment on the message, but a company representative said that the decision to withdraw was a "question of priorities" and that the focus of the standards body was moving away from Microsoft's expertise.

Various U.N./Cefact officials also refused comment or did not return phone calls.

Two people who participate in the standards group said that several U.S. and European companies were concerned about guidelines regarding intellectual property rights that are in effect within the group. The guidelines would force corporations that contribute technology to indemnify the United Nations against potential challenges involving intellectual-property claims.

At a meeting of the U.N. group in May, the general counsel for SAP, the German business software company, announced that his company would suspend all participation in the organization until the intellectual-property issues had been settled.

The dispute parallels issues raised in a lawsuit brought in the United States by the SCO Group, a software company, against IBM. SCO has accused IBM of illegally placing software owned by SCO into the Linux open-source operating system.

Earlier this year, the United Nations group became embroiled in an industry squabble over an open standard for commerce known as ebXML. The United Nations standard, which was backed by some American companies and which has been widely adopted in Asia and Europe and by the Pentagon, competes in some ways with a joint Microsoft-IBM effort to establish a different set of standards.

The dispute became public in February, when some members of the United Nations organization complained that Microsoft was financing the group's activities in an effort to persuade the organization to adopt its software.

At the time, Microsoft disputed the charges and said that it had made only "modest" contributions to the organization.

Entire contents, Copyright © 2004 The New York Times. All rights reserved.

I switched to Firefox yesterday and I'm actually really glad I did...

2 reasons why: IE becomes a pain in neck after installing SP2 and Firefox seems to load pages much faster. Only downside is that you need to reinstall most plugins when switching to Firefox (Flash, Java).

Anyway I can highly recommend it...

I got the plug-in problem ye. dont like the download manager too still love it tohugh

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Earlier this year, the United Nations group became embroiled in an industry squabble over an open standard for commerce known as ebXML. The United Nations standard, which was backed by some American companies and which has been widely adopted in Asia and Europe and by the Pentagon, competes in some ways with a joint Microsoft-IBM effort to establish a different set of standards.

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I switched to Firefox yesterday and I'm actually really glad I did...

2 reasons why: IE becomes a pain in neck after installing SP2 and Firefox seems to load pages much faster. Only downside is that you need to reinstall most plugins when switching to Firefox (Flash, Java).

Anyway I can highly recommend it...

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