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Hacked! by Pyroteq on 09-16-2004 at 09:45 AM
[Mods read before deleating, I know that talking about hacking is against forum rules BUT i need help and im not trying to find out how to hack, but i have been hacked
I came on msn and talked to this guy you know friend of a friend and he sniffed my ip, my firewall blocked his connections but he keeps connecting to me, on msn he showed his results and found that i have 2 security holes, If he knows how to exploit those he could be in my computer watching me type right now...
Everytime i connect to the net the firewall shows its blocked his i.p adress, Hes watching my computer.
Help!!!!! I need to do somthing about this, i do have his ip's.
If any of this is against forum rules edit it so as it still means the same thing but just not in that way because i need support from you guys the only other place i can post is bit.tech but he posts there and everyone on my msn who knows anything is friends with him.
RE: Hacked! by Sunshine on 09-16-2004 at 12:15 PM
Update your OS..block his IP in your firewall.
RE: Hacked! by saralk on 09-16-2004 at 12:44 PM
His IP is probably dynamic, since he said "I have his IPs"
Run windows update on your pc, and install all the critical updates, if your firewall is blocking the IPs he is probably just trying to scare you.
RE: Hacked! by lhunath on 09-17-2004 at 12:13 PM
Uninstall Windows and install this:
http://www.gentoo.org/
=P
Nah, really, one, he couldnt know your IP unless if there has been a webcam/audio conv or file transfer, which was active. There is no other way. If this isn't the case then he's bluffing. Also, you most likely have a Dynamic IP as well (unless if you pay huge amounts of money to get a static IP, only companies have it). Which means, by the next day the IP he has of you is probably invalid, as yours will have changed, and he'll need to find it again. (Through the ways I previously said, unless if he has other means of connecting to you, like, I dno, ICQ? P2P software where you have him added?).
For the rest, yes, update your windows, stop using lame, unsecure software which invites hackers, like, Internet Explorer (get opera for free here or get mozilla firefox). And just be careful on what files you accept from people, and whether you are sure you can trust the people (and know that they are who you think they are). Etc..
Basically, don't be a retard, and you're safe.
(And as we all know, being a retard includes trusting Microsoft software).
RE: Hacked! by BEWARE^^ on 09-17-2004 at 12:38 PM
there are several options you could do
1: well if you are behind a router or firewall you could search for a nother ip adress
2: call your provider and ask them to track him and follow him a few days what his activity's are arround your comp
3: and if he does trying to brake in your comp say to your provider to block all of his adresses to your comp 
RE: Hacked! by lhunath on 09-17-2004 at 02:49 PM
quote:1: Err.. No =/
Originally posted by BEWARE^^
there are several options you could do
1: well if you are behind a router or firewall you could search for a nother ip adress
2: call your provider and ask them to track him and follow him a few days what his activity's are arround your comp
3: and if he does trying to brake in your comp say to your provider to block all of his adresses to your comp
2: Uhm.. Nope
3: Hmm.. No.
=)
RE: Hacked! by lopardo on 09-17-2004 at 03:39 PM
And do a virus scan, you could have a trojan.
quote:How does Internet Explorer invite hackers? Sorry, but that's not correct, it may have some vulnerabilities, but it's not like that. I personally prefer Firefox though.
Originally posted by lhunath
For the rest, yes, update your windows, stop using lame, unsecure software which invites hackers, like, Internet Explorer (get opera for free here or get mozilla firefox). And just be careful on what files you accept from people, and whether you are sure you can trust the people (and know that they are who you think they are). Etc..
quote:Then don't use Windows at all...
Originally posted by lhunath
Basically, don't be a retard, and you're safe.
(And as we all know, being a retard includes trusting Microsoft software).
RE: Hacked! by lhunath on 09-17-2004 at 05:02 PM
quote:For one, worms scan for vulnorabilities, webservers can find your IP & User Agent, therefore, know whether you have IE, and when you do, know who to attack. Or just automatically install trojans which are then easily picked up by scanners.
Originally posted by lopardo
How does Internet Explorer invite hackers? Sorry, but that's not correct, it may have some vulnerabilities, but it's not like that. I personally prefer Firefox though.
Or just ad/spyware, which are, technically, you being hacked as well.
quote:There's a very clear diffrence between not trusting something, and not using it lopardo, it's not because I do not trust Microsoft Windows, that I need to not use it at all. The fact that I don't trust Microsoft products, means that I will take precausions to protect myself against their possible failure, and take steps to easily recover when they do.
Originally posted by lopardo
Then don't use Windows at all...
Btw, I didn't say that others are all good, I said that Microsoft products aren't to be trusted (generally), meaning, exactly what the sentence says, that they may fail you where you would expect them not to. (Like after you just installed all security patches available...).
RE: Hacked! by lopardo on 09-17-2004 at 05:17 PM
quote:What pages are you browsing? If you don't go to any "weird" pages, nothing will happen...
Originally posted by lhunath
For one, worms scan for vulnorabilities, webservers can find your IP & User Agent, therefore, know whether you have IE, and when you do, know who to attack. Or just automatically install trojans which are then easily picked up by scanners.
Or just ad/spyware, which are, technically, you being hacked as well.
quote:Have you ever suffered a serious attack? You're too paranoid
Originally posted by lhunath
There's a very clear diffrence between not trusting something, and not using it lopardo, it's not because I do not trust Microsoft Windows, that I need to not use it at all. The fact that I don't trust Microsoft products, means that I will take precausions to protect myself against their possible failure, and take steps to easily recover when they do.
Btw, I didn't say that others are all good, I said that Microsoft products aren't to be trusted (generally), meaning, exactly what the sentence says, that they may fail you where you would expect them not to. (Like after you just installed all security patches available...).
OK, so you don't trust MS products stability, but you shouldn't say something like "And as we all know, being a retard includes trusting Microsoft software", you'll scare newbies (not to mention the misuse of "retard").
RE: Hacked! by WDZ on 09-17-2004 at 05:57 PM
quote:* WDZ agrees
Originally posted by lopardo
You're too paranoid
quote:* WDZ agrees with that as well.
Originally posted by lopardo
OK, so you don't trust MS products stability, but you shouldn't say something like "And as we all know, being a retard includes trusting Microsoft software", you'll scare newbies (not to mention the misuse of "retard").
I've been using Windows for years, I know it well, and I've never been infected with a virus/trojan or been hacked. Windows is a very good OS, and I trust it. It has never done anything serious enough to break that trust. I resent being called a retard for that.
RE: Hacked! by lhunath on 09-17-2004 at 06:46 PM
quote:Honestly, any standard web surfing, wherever you go, for a few hours, will get your pc infested with worms, in no time. With an unpatched browser, that is. These are things that were tested and tested again. And if unpatched browser is so vulnerable it means lots of pirates are out there, and are able to attack more recent browsers as well.
Originally posted by lopardo
If you don't go to any "weird" pages, nothing will happen...
quote:Actually, not really, knowing that our pcs have been infected more than numerous times by worms who enter them by using microsoft Services which have vulnerabilities. Like NetBIOS, or others.
Originally posted by lopardo
Have you ever suffered a serious attack? You're too paranoid
quote:Yes, pardon me for sounding rude. =)
Originally posted by lopardo
(not to mention the misuse of "retard")
quote:It is undenyably a very good OS, one of the top OSes out there, but it doesn't mean it can be trusted, solely. Without a firewall and a virusscanner, Windows OSes are deer in a lion cage.
Originally posted by WDZ
Windows is a very good OS, and I trust it.
RE: Hacked! by RebelSean on 09-17-2004 at 06:50 PM
quote:
Originally posted by WDZ
quote:* WDZ agrees
Originally posted by lopardo
You're too paranoid
quote:* WDZ agrees with that as well.
Originally posted by lopardo
OK, so you don't trust MS products stability, but you shouldn't say something like "And as we all know, being a retard includes trusting Microsoft software", you'll scare newbies (not to mention the misuse of "retard").
I've been using Windows for years, I know it well, and I've never been infected with a virus/trojan or been hacked. Windows is a very good OS, and I trust it. It has never done anything serious enough to break that trust. I resent being called a retard for that.
That sounds like me. I haven't had a virus/trojan since we have had this computer, which btw is like 7 years old.. Noone has ever hacked me nor never will..I better not say that cause I know people are goign to try. I will give anyone 100 dollers if they can hack me!
RE: Hacked! by lhunath on 09-17-2004 at 06:57 PM
Sean, turn off all your firewalls etc, then say the same thing again.
quote:I'm saying you can't trust Windows. You can when you secure it with third party software. But then, you're trusting the software, not the OS.
Originally posted by lhunath
Without a firewall and a virusscanner, Windows OSes are deer in a lion cage.
RE: Hacked! by saralk on 09-17-2004 at 07:14 PM
actually, if you run windows update frequently, and just be generally vigialant (i.e. not downloading document.zip etc...), then there is absolutly nothing to worry about
RE: RE: Hacked! by lopardo on 09-17-2004 at 07:14 PM
quote:I meant porno, warez and stuff when I said "weird pages". I really don't understand how, even with an unpatched IE 6.0, you can get worms by just browsing. An attacker would have to make you enter to a page with malicious code in order to exploit a vulnerability (you have to enter that page), so I don't see what the big deal is...
Originally posted by lhunath
quote:Honestly, any standard web surfing, wherever you go, for a few hours, will get your pc infested with worms, in no time. With an unpatched browser, that is. These are things that were tested and tested again. And if unpatched browser is so vulnerable it means lots of pirates are out there, and are able to attack more recent browsers as well.
Originally posted by lopardo
If you don't go to any "weird" pages, nothing will happen...
quote:What? If you're talking about worms like Blaster and Sasser, you should know the patches were available like a month before the worms spread. And the patches fixed the bugs (not as you said, "Microsoft products aren't to be trusted (generally), meaning, exactly what the sentence says, that they may fail you where you would expect them not to. (Like after you just installed all security patches available...)").
Originally posted by lhunath
quote:Actually, not really, knowing that our pcs have been infected more than numerous times by worms who enter them by using microsoft Services which have vulnerabilities. Like NetBIOS, or others.
Originally posted by lopardo
Have you ever suffered a serious attack? You're too paranoid
quote:
Originally posted by lhunath
quote:It is undenyably a very good OS, one of the top OSes out there, but it doesn't mean it can be trusted, solely. Without a firewall and a virusscanner, Windows OSes are deer in a lion cage.
Originally posted by WDZ
Windows is a very good OS, and I trust it.
quote:I never used any virus scanner, never found a really good one, so I just don't open suspicious files (common sense) and I never got infected. Windows XP has its own firewall, and does its job pretty darn well, so you don't need third party software. So, I agree 100% with WDZ and saralk.
Originally posted by lhunath
You can when you secure it with third party software. But then, you're trusting the software, not the OS.
RE: Hacked! by WDZ on 09-17-2004 at 07:24 PM
quote:Well, I think there are ways of putting malicious code in images, so you could load a forum thread or something where someone has a dodgy off-site avatar, and the bad stuff would be loaded without you knowing. Keeping Windows patched will usually prevent that though.
Originally posted by lopardo
An attacker would have to make you enter to a page with malicious code in order to exploit a vulnerability (you have to enter that page), so I don't see what the big deal is...
quote:Yeah...
Originally posted by lopardo
I never used any virus scanner, never found a really good one, so I just don't open suspicious files (common sense) and I never got infected.
When I had Win98, I had absolutely no firewall or anti-virus (because the PC was so slow 
) and I was fine with common sense. 
quote:Yeah, I agree... Windows Firewall seems pretty good from experience/testing and stuff I've read about it. Though the new icon is a little dodgy...
Windows XP has its own firewall, and does its job pretty darn well, so you don't need third party software.
RE: Hacked! by CookieRevised on 09-17-2004 at 07:30 PM
quote:Include me in.... to many people these days are too paranoid. Using common sense is often forgotten and people install 5 virusscanner/firewalls and all that stuff and then they complain they can't open certain things. Indeed, the firewall included in Windows does his job VERY well. The only negative thing you can say about it is that it doesn't have many features/options to set. But actually that's a good thing for 90% of all people. A decent firewall doesn't need hundreds of whistles and bells. But of course, it is from MS, so everybody says it sux (without any reason, they just believe and repeat everything bad that they see on the net because they are paranoid, and the ball gets rolling)....
Originally posted by lopardo
I never used any virus scanner, never found a really good one, so I just don't open suspicious files (common sense) and I never got infected. Windows XP has its own firewall, and does its job pretty darn well, so you don't need third party software. So, I agree 100% with WDZ and saralk.
quote:This can be prevented easly with the normal internet settings of Windows and the normal settings in every browser.
Originally posted by WDZ
and the bad stuff would be loaded without you knowing.
Options like: "Ask if an ActiveX which isn't marked as safe must be executed" or "Ask to download/execute ActiveX elements without signature"... those things. Or the "download and execute immediatly"-options in some browsers.......
If you set those options to "ask" instead of "allow", NOTHING will be executed that could be dodgy without you knowing it.
So in short: no need for bloated-3rd-party-scanners-custom-made-for-paranoid-people-tools . Just common sense and sensable settings in Windows and browsers.
But, on topic... Scone, if you scan your PC for trojans and nothing is found, turn on the windows firewall (or your own software firewall) and that "hacker" has no change in doing anything as the firewall will keep the outside connection closed IF the "hacker" even manages to get your current IP (you indeed will have a dynamic IP which changes with every internet connection (unless you payed A LOT for your connection and in that case you will know when you have a static IP)).
A true hacker wont bother hacking your PC, trust me....
RE: Hacked! by lhunath on 09-17-2004 at 08:25 PM
Of course common sense and tweaking your settings so that everything is safe is very possible to keep you clean, but please.
CookieRevised, you know very well that Windows XP is an OS which almost All new multimedia pcs have installed, meaning that any dumb and ignorant home user will have a defaults package. Meaning that they run with the defaults and cannot, because they don't know how to, set up a decent and secure system. I do not believe the windows firewall to be on by default, although I'm not sure about that.
Now, as for commen sense, yes, that's the one and main thing that keeps you clean, even more so than any virusscanner, firewall, etc. But how many, as for the target of the Windows OS, home users have that kind of commen sense?
We're running a home LAN here, and all the pcs getting infected are Jasper and Simon's, whom are my two brothers. Well look at that. I don't run any sort of virusscanner, and almost all ports from the router are forwarded to My pc. Meaning, hell; their lack of commen sense is what fooks up almost every time.
And they're good with pcs. My mum, she's bad. And she's better than a commen home user.
Windows OS is targetted for dumb people. And it's a shame to have dumb people online through one of the least secure recent OSes available. Because it's exactly those who should be protected by the defaults.
Luckily, Microsoft is recently making alot of moves towards safer OSes, meaning that, yes, XP is thousands and thousands of times better than 98, and SP2 seems very promising. Windows Server 2003 is an OS which has never been safer.
It seems promesing, but as of now, the foundations are the same, and are vulnerable (netBIOS, IE, ...). They are still untrustworthy.
quote:At least you seem to agree with me on one point. =)
Originally posted by CookieRevised
IF the "hacker" even manages to get your current IP (you indeed will have a dynamic IP which changes with every internet connection (unless you payed A LOT for your connection and in that case you will know when you have a static IP)).
RE: Hacked! by saralk on 09-17-2004 at 08:37 PM
quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
(you indeed will have a dynamic IP which changes with every internet connection (unless you payed A LOT for your connection and in that case you will know when you have a static IP)).
A true hacker wont bother hacking your PC, trust me....
In the UK static IPs are about the same cost as dynamic IPs, it varies between ISPs, so maybe s/he does have a dynamic IP.
And i agree about the hacker thing, unless you are the child of some FBI agent or something, no serious hacker is gona bother hacking you, most of the people who try to 'hack' your pc (if you can call what they do hacking, what they do pretty much involves tricking inexperienced people into downloading a file, and no actual skill) will do it using some trojan horse or something, having a firewall, even windows firewall, will stop anything bad happening
RE: Hacked! by mad_onion on 09-17-2004 at 09:25 PM
well lhunuth i have no virus protection and only the windows firewall(which i find quite sufficent). i use internet explorer and have not tweaked my system in any way to make it more secure. i simply dont go on weird sites thats ny only precaution. so i guess you would describe me as about a un secure as you can get as i relie o windows alone to protect me.
yet when i do my monthly virus and spy-adware scan nothing is detected. i find windows to provide all the protection i need.
RE: Hacked! by RebelSean on 09-17-2004 at 09:39 PM
quote:
Originally posted by lhunath
Sean, turn off all your firewalls etc, then say the same thing again.
There off atm... You have 5 min..
RE: Hacked! by lopardo on 09-17-2004 at 09:46 PM
quote:Windows default configuration is pretty secure, but I agree with you that it should be more secure (talking about IE's settings).
Originally posted by lhunath
Meaning that they run with the defaults and cannot, because they don't know how to, set up a decent and secure system. I do not believe the windows firewall to be on by default, although I'm not sure about that.
When you set up a new connection, the firewall is on by default. And SP2 emphasizes how important the use of the firewall is.
quote:But that's the user's fault, not the OS!! You were complaining about Windows not being trustworthy, but remember that when you download something, Windows warns you that it could be dangerous, yet the unexperienced people don't read that (even when there's a warning icon) and open the file, so whose fault is it? That would happen with any OS!
Originally posted by lhunath
Now, as for commen sense, yes, that's the one and main thing that keeps you clean, even more so than any virusscanner, firewall, etc. But how many, as for the target of the Windows OS, home users have that kind of commen sense?
RE: RE: RE: Hacked! by Vantage on 09-17-2004 at 10:19 PM
quote:
Originally Posted by lopardo
I never used any virus scanner, never found a really good one, so I just don't open suspicious files (common sense) and I never got infected. Windows XP has its own firewall, and does its job pretty darn well, so you don't need third party software. So, I agree 100% with WDZ and saralk.
I used the XP Firewall and it didnt work one bit.It let all sorts of stuff in, I was being hacked all the time, Keylogs all over my computer, finaly i had to buy Windows XP Pro and never use Home edition. At that same time I got a diffrent net connection with a 60$ monthly fee for a fire wall. And even then, it still lets stuff in, it may not look like you have a virus, but it can be hidden you know.
RE: Hacked! by lopardo on 09-17-2004 at 10:25 PM
quote:Sorry, pal, but you have done something wrong... The firewall is the same in Windows XP Home and Professional... It protects you from outside access. If you open "weird" programs (like trojans or spyware) then there's nothing the firewall can do for you... It's not an antivirus, once you execute a virus or trojan, it can do whatever it wants...
Originally posted by Vantage
It let all sorts of stuff in, I was being hacked all the time, Keylogs all over my computer, finaly i had to buy Windows XP Pro and never use Home edition. At that same time I got a diffrent net connection with a 60$ monthly fee for a fire wall. And even then, it still lets stuff in, it may not look like you have a virus, but it can be hidden you know.
RE: Hacked! by Vantage on 09-17-2004 at 10:30 PM
I know but when i bought Windows XP Pro i Used another firewall since XP Home was infected.
RE: Hacked! by lhunath on 09-17-2004 at 11:33 PM
quote:Damn, too late =P
Originally posted by Sean
There off atm... You have 5 min..
RE: Hacked! by Shadow D on 09-17-2004 at 11:33 PM
lol, most common people are soo easy to fool, my father constantly downloads adware and such from misleading ads. And emails...50% of my emails contain worms, trojans and viruses, and don't tell me that the Win XP firewall will keep me safe from that. Only time I've ever seen the WinXP firewall at work is when it sometimes screws up my lan.
RE: Hacked! by Plik on 09-17-2004 at 11:41 PM
quote:No but that is what common sence is for.
Originally posted by Shadow D
don't tell me that the Win XP firewall will keep me safe from that
I've only ever had a trojan on my computer when i went all script kiddy back when i was a young un, and decided installing Sub-zero was a good idea.
Bring on 21 Different Trojans.
Now a days i've got some common sence, and my computer is, spy/adware/viri/trojan/anyother junk. Free.
I use zonealarm, because i find it more user freindly than the windows one. Plus its like IE, a stand alone ap is generaly safer than something inbuilt in XP. Not that i'd care if i got hacked, i've hardly got top secret MI5 doc's on my computer
RE: Hacked! by CookieRevised on 09-17-2004 at 11:51 PM
again, a firewall is not a virusscanner or spamfilter.
A pure firewall (which the buildin firewall is) will hold things back which aren't supposed to connect from the outside.
Emails are allowed of course (again the firewall is not a virusscanner or a mailspamchecker), and you are the one that opens attachments in emails, not the firewall. And I don't need a virusscanner to tell me that "moremoney.zip .scr" is a virus or whatever....
So same with trojans and virusses; if you click and run a file which is in fact a virus or a trojan, it is not the firewall's fault, that's your uncommon sense (is that a word? ).
And indeed, those ads like "your pc is insecure, scan it now, click here!" or "you've won a big price, click here to collect" wont be held back, because that has nothing todo with a firewall.
But "hackers", trojans and virusses which are send directly to your PC without any mail or download protocol so to speak (like sasser, blaster, etc...) WILL be held back by the firewall.
The sad thing is, the more that big companies like Norton, etc. are developping special tools to make you even more lazier and not thinking, the more that the people will get paranoid and install all those things, while in fact, they are already well protected with their basic inbuild firewall, common virusscanner, and maybe their spamfilter. The rest should all be common sense...
RE: Hacked! by lopardo on 09-17-2004 at 11:54 PM
quote:That's not Windows Firewall's purpose, it won't protect you from viruses/worms/trojans you open, it only blocks programs that try to access your computer from the outside.
Originally posted by Shadow D
lol, most common people are soo easy to fool, my father constantly downloads adware and such from misleading ads. And emails...50% of my emails contain worms, trojans and viruses, and don't tell me that the Win XP firewall will keep me safe from that. Only time I've ever seen the WinXP firewall at work is when it sometimes screws up my lan.
EDIT: Damn you Cookie, you beat me!
Anyways, I agree with you.
RE: Hacked! by lhunath on 09-18-2004 at 08:00 AM
quote:common nonsense sounds better. =)
Originally posted by CookieRevised
uncommon sense
quote:They don't get lazy, they're afraid of what they don't know, the big world wide web with thousands of hackers and teenage kids just waiting to invade your pc and through it get your visa and get all your money and blah..
Originally posted by CookieRevised
The sad thing is, the more that big companies like Norton, etc. are developping special tools to make you even more lazier and not thinking, the more that the people will get paranoid and install all those things, while in fact, they are already well protected with their basic inbuild firewall, common virusscanner, and maybe their spamfilter. The rest should all be common sense...
But that's something you cannot stop, that's all part of Norton's marketing techniques (sorry, didn't mean to isolate Norton here), the fact is that people are scared, and when they don't know how to protect themselves; somewhere they have no control; they will get whatever is told to be the safest.
And by the way, as to the OS case, if I buy a crappy bike in a bike shop, come home with it, and some screws are loose; I could go ride with it, but I might just end up holding the steer in the air. Or I could decide to fix it, and tighten the screws myself. Now that does not mean that the bike is trustworthy, I bought it, and it was crap, I turned it into something more trustworthy myself, because I know something about bikes. By the way, if it was that untrustworthy when I bought it, who says it doesn't still have some screw somewhere which is still untrustworthy, even after I tightened all those that I know of? Or maybe not a screw but something else..
My point is clear, buy something that you cannot trust, and you can always tune it, that's the way PCs work, but don't go saying that it IS trustworthy because, well, you just had to go and tune it yourself. To you all it's become the most normal thing in the world that you need to first make your system safe, before being able to use it. It's NOT normal. You all just began to dig it because you had little choice. Same with IE. Everybody digs its crappyness, because they didn't even know there were alternatives. And when they, after years, find out that there are, they stick with IE, because they're familiar with it. And down goes the web. (You do realise that a huge percentage of those fawked up sites out there is the fault of Microsoft changing the Standards to whatever they want them to be?).
But let's not go into that in this thread. I'm just saying, I love Windows, but after I made it trustworthy. And after I installed my TDS (Trojan Defence Suite) and The Cleaner, and my tools to recover and diagnose.
I didn't know as much about the standard windows firewall, true, I always reconed it to be a simple port blocker, but I don't like firewalls one single bit. Especially those which you can't configure, since they disallow stuff in the worst possible scenarios. I want to be in control and know perfectly well what will happen when I do something, therefore, not be the slave of something I cannot perfectly control. Yet, the firewall is a very good measure as to make the OS safer.
By the way, being in linux, lots of the everyday people's common unsense can do no harm at all because of the way linux is built. I best not go too deep into that, though.
RE: Hacked! by user2319 on 11-05-2004 at 07:31 PM
I completely agree with Ihunath!
Hey Scone, why don't you just pick up some old computer from the street or a dump, amd make a software router/firewall/et ceter from it? Just install a Linux distro aimed at that purpose, and you should be fine
RE: Hacked! by Dane on 11-05-2004 at 07:48 PM
Can I have the hackers MSN Addy ? I want to...erm..scare him .