Hello everybody,

as I wrote in a recent post, I'm currently working on anupdate of the sponsor agreement window. I'm trying my best to find a good balance between "sponsor installs" and "happy users" and in order to do that, I will test several variantsof the installer when version 3.21 will be released. If I manage to find something good, I'll publish another version soon after 3.21 with the new agreement available for everyone. Meanwhile, I'll just make my server send different versions of the setup randomly and I'll check the stats accordingly.

Please, do not post suggestions about how I could redesign the window, I read all your posts, I know all your suggestions and they will almost all be included in a version of the setup (this is really a big test, I'm taking all this seriously). However, I do need your feedback on one thing. I just read a big articlewritten by someone which describes how bad Messenger Plus! is with all its hidden secrets ... one thing that hit me was the fact that the author insisted a lot on the word "sponsor" being misleading. I can swear to you that I never intended it to be misleading in any way, in fact,that's all the countrary. I just need a word that describes what the the C2Media software I distribute is, understandable by everyone. The author of the article says I should write"lop.com" instead and I think this makes no sense as most people have no idea what "lop.com" is. So, if you have a good suggestion, please post it .

Version 3.21 and its modified test-version installers will be released in a week or two, depending on how fast the translators do their job .

Patch

Patchou, I think you should keep it as it is, it is a sponsor program, its not misleading at all..... People just don't understand what the sponsor program actually is.

I also agree with "sponsor". This is exactly what lop.com is, a sponsor. (aka a company that gives you money in return for something).

Though, in a small way, I can understand a little those people saying that (although "misleading", isn't at all the correct word. If they think it is they need a dictionary): without scrolling (and thus without reading) you don't see what the sponsor actually is.

So maybe something like this: "Sponsor Agreement (lop.com)" should make those people also happy.

2) If you do this simple thing, then you also have your answer to those people who say that it seems like a Plus! agreement.
3) Furthermore, the people who don't know lop.com wont be put of immediatly (concearning your saying "if I put 5 warnings in there, nobody installs the sponsor")
4) People who do know lop.com will notice it (more) and don't install the sponsor because they think it is your normal Plus! EULA, and thus you will get less "Plus! is spyware" complaints (hopefully).


just a thought

good news maybe we will have more happy users
i agree with "sponsor" btw

Well, the company is not "lop.com", it's just a name commonly used on the internet for some of the old packages they were distributing. The company name is C2Media and yes, its a goodidea, I'll add this in the title.

Note: ifyou want to read the article I'm referingto, it's at http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/data/messenger_plus.htm . Please, do not email the author to flame her, let's prove her that her opinion about forum members is wrong . Everyone is entitled to his own opinion and this article has ast least the merit to be well written.

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Originally posted by Patchou
Well, the company is not "lop.com", it's just a name commonly used on the internet for some of the old packages they were distributing. The company name is C2Media and yes, its a goodidea, I'll add this in the title.

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Originally posted by Patchou
Note: ifyou want to read the article I'm referingto, it's at http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/data/messenger_plus.htm . Please, do not email the author to flame her, let's prove her that her opinion about forum members is wrong . Everyone is entitled to his own opinion and this article has ast least the merit to be well written.

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Originally posted by Patchou
http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/data/messenger_plus.htm

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Well, if you want to reply to her, be my guest and do it on the newsgroups (deja.com)... it seems that somepeople now love to insult my software, myself, and the members of this forum too. I'm starting to realise why you rarely see forums dedicated to support for one software: some people just can't stand it and badmouth the software even more.

Which newsgroup precisely? deja.com takes me to Google Groups, and the site you linked to doesn't seem to mention a newsgroup...

just search for "Messenger Plus!" and sort by date, it will be one of the first.

1. Surely the person who wrote the artical must be stupid if they don't know the meaning of the word sponser. (Many sites have sponsers).

2. It clearly says that you can install Messenger Plus without the sponser. How can you miss that?

3. Messenger plus is quality. Keep up the quality work is what i got to say. Aswell as the people who make the addons.

TBH I think Messenger Plus deserves criticism for the "Sponsor Software". Messenger Plus is a brilliant application, and Patchou has done well to keep it fresh and up-to-date, and also his support in the forum is outstanding.

But there are other ways to make money, ie the store, maybe a donation service. Maybe you could go down the same road as redvsblue, who offer sponsors of the product something extra, maybe hold back release dates, and let sponsors have the program or test the new features first.

Anyway spyware/adware sucks, I think it’s a cheap way to make money relying on the ignorance of less experienced users. Also what it does to PC’s is terrible, and the 36 hour install who thought that little sod up!

So keep up the good work!

leave it how it is! people should just read what they click...!

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Originally posted by stevenafc
Anyway spyware/adware sucks, I think it’s a cheap way to make money relying on the ignorance of less experienced users. Also what it does to PC’s is terrible, and the 36 hour install who thought that little sod up!

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Originally posted by stevenafc
maybe a donation service

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Can we get a screenshot of this new window Patchou??

he didnt allow us translators to do it, but maybe he will...

they just need to read, maybe if you put a little bigger in bold (READ CAREFULL ABOUT THE SPONSOR) at the top of the license will help people how to read., even when I thing that right now it can't be more clearly.