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Kerry conceded by .blade// on 11-03-2004 at 04:16 PM
As of a few minutes ago, John Kerry conceded the election and declared George W. Bush the winner. At 1:00 PM (I believe EST) he will make the official announcement that he is ending his candidacy for the White House....
RE: Kerry conceded by Moo on 11-03-2004 at 04:24 PM
I wonder why he did that.
RE: Kerry conceded by Anubis on 11-03-2004 at 04:29 PM
The phone call that went on seems to have been very diplomatic and friendly. Kerry's going to very shortly make a statement so I'll watch that...And for the anti-abortion principles of Bush, I very much am glad for his winning...
RE: Kerry conceded by Pr0xY on 11-03-2004 at 04:40 PM
w00t!!! 
quote:Kerry didn't concede the election, he conceded the state Ohio.
Originally posted by blade
As of a few minutes ago, John Kerry conceded the election
RE: Kerry conceded by Kryptonate on 11-03-2004 at 04:41 PM
quote:what's bad about abortion? If a woman doesn't want the baby because she got raped, because the condom the person she had sex with broke or another good reason you just say "too bad for you, you keep the child"? There are a lot of girls being raped all over the world every day, it's not just something that happens in movies or such and you let them keep their child which remembers them every day of what happened?
Originally posted by Anubis
And for the anti-abortion principles of Bush, I very much am glad for his winning...
RE: Kerry conceded by .blade// on 11-03-2004 at 04:53 PM
quote:
Originally posted by pr0xy
Kerry didn't concede the election, he conceded the state Ohio.
No, he conceded the election
RE: Kerry conceded by Moo on 11-03-2004 at 05:15 PM
More info:
http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1099479483569_267?hub=topstories
RE: Kerry conceded by Millenium_edition on 11-03-2004 at 05:15 PM
why do the suckers always win =( ?
quote:we had a discussion about this on IRC. there are pros and cons. let's not talk about it in here.
Originally posted by Kryptonate
quote:what's bad about abortion? If a woman doesn't want the baby because she got raped, because the condom the person she had sex with broke or another good reason you just say "too bad for you, you keep the child"? There are a lot of girls being raped all over the world every day, it's not just something that happens in movies or such and you let them keep their child which remembers them every day of what happened?
Originally posted by Anubis
And for the anti-abortion principles of Bush, I very much am glad for his winning...
RE: Kerry conceded by bach_m on 11-03-2004 at 06:25 PM
quote:
Originally posted by pr0xy
Kerry didn't concede the election, he conceded the state Ohio.
by conceding Ohio, Bush gets the 20 votes, and therefore gets the 270 he needs.
so yes, he conceded the election.
quote:
Originally posted by Guillaume
I wonder why he did that.
Becvause he lost fair and square?
RE: Kerry conceded by user27089 on 11-03-2004 at 08:10 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Kryptonate
quote:what's bad about abortion? If a woman doesn't want the baby because she got raped, because the condom the person she had sex with broke or another good reason you just say "too bad for you, you keep the child"? There are a lot of girls being raped all over the world every day, it's not just something that happens in movies or such and you let them keep their child which remembers them every day of what happened?
Originally posted by Anubis
And for the anti-abortion principles of Bush, I very much am glad for his winning...
There are many things bad about abortion, do You know the real facts about abortion, its not just an emryo that is being killed, at 6 weeks a baby can swallow, smell, see, breathe and feel, this is a baby, its just not fully developed, then we go in there, chop it up with a hook, suck it out with a vacuum with a knifle blade edge or inject the bag its in with salt which poisins the baby, giving birth to a dead baby, is this really right? Why not Just give birth to the baby and adopt it, 1 in 3 babies in Scotland are aborted, because the woman doesn't have the time to look after her child! Even if the condom splits its still their responsibility, a condom is not 100% safe, it is 97% successful, but problems happen, and we have to live with this risk. When a woman aborts a child, there could be a man and a woman out there that aren't able to have a child, and want to start a family, people who have abortions are taking this chance away from these people. You have to feel sorry for the victims that have been raped, and there are two opinions to the sides of abortion, but, is it really fair that this childs life will be taken away, think that you might not have been here, the aborted child could've been just like you, fully functional, and now its just somewhere rotted away. The babies life will be over, but for what reason, even after the baby has gone, the emotion that is going on in the rape victims life will not be, the victim will still suffer from anxiety problems even if the baby is born, why take this life? I don't agree that the babies should be aborted unless its physical health won't be at all good, or if it will live a life of pain and suffering, if the mother wants the baby then let it be, but if she doesn't want her baby to be in pain all of its life, then it shouldn't be.
Anyway, end on the abortion!! I'm glad that George Bush gets to stay, i've liked him from the start, there have been some times when i've questioned whether he should be, but in the end, i've always agreed that G.W. Bush will be a good president.
RE: Kerry conceded by KeyStorm on 11-03-2004 at 08:29 PM
quote:
Originally posted by traxor
[...]
What do you do to animals just to get their skins to make bags or jackets?
I think it's better to kill an embryo that will live in bad conditions or that will not have enough love from their parents than bearing it (is this verb transitive?).
Anyway. I hope many learn in the next 4 years what kind of monster Bush is and mature. I am just happy he winned for that reason.
Oh, just let you remember this is my personal opinion and no ofence is intended at all
RE: Kerry conceded by Pr0xY on 11-03-2004 at 08:41 PM
quote:No, it even said on CNN that he gave up the state of Ohio, which then made him lose the election.
Originally posted by blade
quote:
Originally posted by pr0xy
Kerry didn't concede the election, he conceded the state Ohio.
No, he conceded the election
RE: Kerry conceded by saralk on 11-03-2004 at 09:42 PM
he gave it up because he had basically lost the election, the provisional ballots + military ballots wouldnt be enough to make Kerry win, and so Kerry decided to end it instead of dragging it on.
RE: Kerry conceded by Pr0xY on 11-03-2004 at 10:35 PM
Well I personally think Kerry was nothing but a sacrifical lamb for the democratic party. I think we can all agree that Hilary Clinton has intentions on running for President, but she just was not ready for the 2004 elections. The democratic party would be screwed as far as getting Hilary in office if Kerry would have won, cause there is no way that Mrs. Clinton would run against her own party in the 2008 elections. BUT now that Bush is in for another 4 years, when the 2008 Elections come up, SHE WILL RUN, and Bush wont be able to run cause he is already in his second term. There will be no one that will even have a chance of running against her and winning.
So basically I bet all my belongings that our 2008 President will be Hilary Clinton. If anyone has anything to say about this, weather it is to support my claim or put it down, please post, I want to hear your opinions. Thanks...
RE: Kerry conceded by bach_m on 11-03-2004 at 10:51 PM
quote:
Originally posted by pr0xy
and Bush wont be able to run cause he is already in his second term. There will be no one that will even have a chance of running against her and winning.
there ARE other Republicans.....
RE: Kerry conceded by KeyStorm on 11-03-2004 at 10:53 PM
I don't honestly think those who voted for Bush yesterday will vote for Hillary in 4 years. And there will be other candidates, as mike says...
RE: RE: Kerry conceded by Sunshine on 11-03-2004 at 10:53 PM
quote:The fact of abortion beeing illegal isn't gonna stop women from having abortions...you gotta consider the stress etc. of carying an unwanted baby for 9 months too..beeing pregnant isn't without risks either....if not legal they will do it illegal (barberic methods)...when legallized at least they can do it safely in a controlled environment. And for it beeing the womans responsibility thats bollox too....they don't make babies on their own! Where are the men after the child is born (when the child is unwanted), they were there too when it was made! Rapists will surely be gone...not to speak about the men who don't wanna take responsibility...
Originally posted by traxor
There are many things bad about abortion, do You know the real facts about abortion, its not just an emryo that is being killed, at 6 weeks a baby can swallow, smell, see, breathe and feel, this is a baby, its just not fully developed, then we go in there, chop it up with a hook, suck it out with a vacuum with a knifle blade edge or inject the bag its in with salt which poisins the baby, giving birth to a dead baby, is this really right? Why not Just give birth to the baby and adopt it, 1 in 3 babies in Scotland are aborted, because the woman doesn't have the time to look after her child! Even if the condom splits its still their responsibility, a condom is not 100% safe, it is 97% successful, but problems happen, and we have to live with this risk. When a woman aborts a child, there could be a man and a woman out there that aren't able to have a child, and want to start a family, people who have abortions are taking this chance away from these people. You have to feel sorry for the victims that have been raped, and there are two opinions to the sides of abortion, but, is it really fair that this childs life will be taken away, think that you might not have been here, the aborted child could've been just like you, fully functional, and now its just somewhere rotted away. The babies life will be over, but for what reason, even after the baby has gone, the emotion that is going on in the rape victims life will not be, the victim will still suffer from anxiety problems even if the baby is born, why take this life? I don't agree that the babies should be aborted unless its physical health won't be at all good, or if it will live a life of pain and suffering, if the mother wants the baby then let it be, but if she doesn't want her baby to be in pain all of its life, then it shouldn't be.
Sorry if this offends anyone, i know there are still good men outthere too
RE: RE: Kerry conceded by ZrednaZ on 11-03-2004 at 11:22 PM
quote:It may seem hopeless, but don't be so sure... If Bush screws up as much in his second term as he did in the first, those da** republicans are bound to see the light. They have to!
Originally posted by KeyStorm
I don't honestly think those who voted for Bush yesterday will vote for Hillary in 4 years.
Besides, Hillary's charisma is as good as anyone's... That's her strong side compared to Kerry, and I think it means a lot in American politics.
RE: Kerry conceded by Jeronimo on 11-03-2004 at 11:29 PM
I think the next election will be a close run thing but I think people voted Bush just so Hilary Clinton could stand in 4 years time. Heck, I even think Hilary voted for him just for that very reason 
I think its about time we had a woman president. I think she would do a good job.
Of course its 4 more years of Bush. Be grateful he can't run at the next election
RE: Kerry conceded by KeyStorm on 11-03-2004 at 11:53 PM
quote:
Originally posted by ZrednaZ
It may seem hopeless, but don't be so sure... If Bush screws up as much in his second term as he did in the first, those da** republicans are bound to see the light. They have to!
Besides, Hillary's charisma is as good as anyone's... That's her strong side compared to Kerry, and I think it means a lot in American politics.
Yeah, that's my point in believing Bush as president for another 4 years is good news. Hopefully a handfull republicans finally understand how wrong they were in voting bush (although kerry might not be the best alternative...
)
RE: RE: Kerry conceded by CookieRevised on 11-04-2004 at 12:04 AM
quote:Most abortions are done before 6 weeks! To have a "good" abortion you have to do it as soon as possible before the embryo is almost fully developped.
Originally posted by traxor
There are many things bad about abortion, do You know the real facts about abortion, its not just an emryo that is being killed, at 6 weeks a baby can swallow, smell, see, breathe and feel, this is a baby, its just not fully developed
quote:You making it sound far far worse then it actual is.
Originally posted by traxor
then we go in there, chop it up with a hook, suck it out with a vacuum with a knifle blade edge or inject the bag its in with salt which poisins the baby, giving birth to a dead baby
quote:There are millions of homeless children in the world. And thousands of orfins who still are waiting for an adoption. This isn't the solution...
Originally posted by traxor
Why not Just give birth to the baby and adopt it
quote:So let it be born, and afterwards the mother can kill the child herself (yes this happens all to often!) or let it live of the street...
Originally posted by traxor
because the woman doesn't have the time to look after her child!
quote:This is so untrue... Like I said before, there are thousands of children in the world who would be verry happy if they could be adopted.
Originally posted by traxor
When a woman aborts a child, there could be a man and a woman out there that aren't able to have a child, and want to start a family, people who have abortions are taking this chance away from these people.
quote:You're making the mistake of comparing the aborted embryo with a full developped adult. If you're so against "killing" every possible life, then why aren't you a vegetarier or veganist? And I'm sure you killed also one or two flies in your life...
Originally posted by traxor
You have to feel sorry for the victims that have been raped, and there are two opinions to the sides of abortion, but, is it really fair that this childs life will be taken away, think that you might not have been here, the aborted child could've been just like you, fully functional
quote:rotted?
Originally posted by traxor
now its just somewhere rotted away.
quote:Double standard... Anyways, define "suffering"; If the child asks about her/his father and the mother tells that she was a rape-victim. Oh goody, nice knowing, I bet the child will suffer and will feel very unwanted (by it's dad)...
Originally posted by traxor
I don't agree that the babies should be aborted unless its physical health won't be at all good, or if it will live a life of pain and suffering
quote:It shouldn't be??? So you say to that child: "blah, stop whining. You shouldn't be in pain. Get a life" ???
Originally posted by traxor
if the mother wants the baby then let it be, but if she doesn't want her baby to be in pain all of its life, then it shouldn't be.
And to conclude a recap: so abortion is illegal; main argument: Killing a living thing.... So, why on earth does the dead-penalty still exist???????? Talking about double standards, mister Bush.....
So, my conclussion: the argument "abortion is illegal because you kill a human being" doesn't hold any ground and is pure BS and crap (pardon my French).
quote:Exactly!
Originally posted by Sunshine
The fact of abortion beeing illegal isn't gonna stop women from having abortions...you gotta consider the stress etc. of carying an unwanted baby for 9 months too..beeing pregnant isn't without risks either....if not legal they will do it illegal (barberic methods)...when legallized at least they can do it safely in a controlled environment.
quote:Hmm, never thought of it that way. You could be right. Time will tell I suppose...
Originally posted by pr0xy
Well I personally think Kerry was nothing but a sacrifical lamb for the democratic party. I think we can all agree that Hilary Clinton has intentions on running for President, but she just was not ready for the 2004 elections. The democratic party would be screwed as far as getting Hilary in office if Kerry would have won, cause there is no way that Mrs. Clinton would run against her own party in the 2008 elections. BUT now that Bush is in for another 4 years, when the 2008 Elections come up, SHE WILL RUN, and Bush wont be able to run cause he is already in his second term. There will be no one that will even have a chance of running against her and winning.
As for the new president being Bush. Well, I hope he learned from his mistakes in the past and that he will surprise many people in a good way, (but somehow I doubt it)... We'll see...
RE: Kerry conceded by Pr0xY on 11-04-2004 at 04:05 AM
quote:Well no shit... but you dont get what I'm saying. The republicans will have a VERY hard time coming up with a name famous enough to beat Hilary Clinton.
Originally posted by bach_m
quote:
Originally posted by pr0xy
and Bush wont be able to run cause he is already in his second term. There will be no one that will even have a chance of running against her and winning.
there ARE other Republicans.....
OFFTOPIC - Cookie, that's alot of quoting you just did....
RE: Kerry conceded by KeyStorm on 11-04-2004 at 08:13 AM
Well, time will tell. But I don't think republicans will vote a democrat woman for the sake of it. Yes! I'm saying there will be problems if you expect some factions of the society will trust a woman as president. Not that I was against it (which I'm not), but many people are not ready to accept it yet.
Come on, they voted Bush... I don't think they will change the vote dramatically to Democrat AND woman.
Although it would be very nice the next president was Hillary. 
RE: Kerry conceded by gnownoskcid on 11-04-2004 at 08:35 AM
this is sort of related to the topic but i just can't resist bring this up:
"Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job."
-Douglas Adams, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
RE: Kerry conceded by Hank on 11-04-2004 at 10:29 AM
i think Kerry's Wife Stuffed it up for Him also when she made that Stupid Statement Bout Mrs Bush Never have Had a Real Job,
RE: Kerry conceded by Pr0xY on 11-04-2004 at 11:35 PM
quote:I think Kerry's wife is happy that Bush is President again, now she'll make alot more money since she owns a big business.
Originally posted by Demandred
i think Kerry's Wife Stuffed it up for Him also when she made that Stupid Statement Bout Mrs Bush Never have Had a Real Job,
RE: Kerry conceded by Guido on 11-05-2004 at 02:36 AM
quote:Err... being the US president is a (MUCH) bigger business than having a ketchup company (yes, economically).
Originally posted by pr0xy
quote:I think Kerry's wife is happy that Bush is President again, now she'll make alot more money since she owns a big business.
Originally posted by Demandred
i think Kerry's Wife Stuffed it up for Him also when she made that Stupid Statement Bout Mrs Bush Never have Had a Real Job,
RE: Kerry conceded by Pr0xY on 11-05-2004 at 02:58 AM
quote:Well what I ment is that her company will benifit more with Bush in office rather then Kerry.
Originally posted by Guido
quote:Err... being the US president is a (MUCH) bigger business than having a ketchup company (yes, economically).
Originally posted by pr0xy
quote:I think Kerry's wife is happy that Bush is President again, now she'll make alot more money since she owns a big business.
Originally posted by Demandred
i think Kerry's Wife Stuffed it up for Him also when she made that Stupid Statement Bout Mrs Bush Never have Had a Real Job,
RE: Kerry conceded by bach_m on 11-05-2004 at 03:05 AM
quote:
Originally posted by pr0xy
Well what I ment is that her company will benifit more with Bush in office rather then Kerry.
she doesn't run the business. i think she'll jsut inherrit it.
RE: Kerry conceded by Pr0xY on 11-05-2004 at 03:21 AM
quote:Yeah, she owns it, there for it is HER company.
Originally posted by bach_m
quote:
Originally posted by pr0xy
Well what I ment is that her company will benifit more with Bush in office rather then Kerry.
she doesn't run the business. i think she'll jsut inherrit it.
RE: Kerry conceded by ABC123 on 11-05-2004 at 03:38 AM
Oh geez, Bush was re-elected. *Mumbles*Stupid Republicans*Mumbles*. Another four years of crap from Bush. Well, at least I live in Canada. I still don't see how any logical person would ever vote Bush(Unless you're like hardcore "I'm christian"). Oh well, in four years it'll be a win-win situation if Rudy Juliani(sp?) and Hilary Clinton run. They're both from New York so Juliani is like half-democrat. That'll be good, hopefully they'll end this pointless war in Iraq. I'm now starting to wonder if Iraq was better off with Saddam as a leader.
RE: Kerry conceded by CookieRevised on 11-05-2004 at 04:52 AM
quote:Errr, well, one of the big reasons why Bush has won is because many "hardcore" Catholics voted in last instance on a massive scale for Bush (because he is against abortion, euthanasia, gay-marriages).
Originally posted by ABC123
I still don't see how any logical person would ever vote Bush (Unless you're like hardcore "I'm christian").
RE: Kerry conceded by Pr0xY on 11-05-2004 at 06:09 AM
quote:There's no way they were better off with him, he was a nut job.
Originally posted by ABC123
I'm now starting to wonder if Iraq was better off with Saddam as a leader.
RE: Kerry conceded by Hank on 11-05-2004 at 08:59 AM
quote:
Originally posted by pr0xy
Originally posted by ABC123
I'm now starting to wonder if Iraq was better off with Saddam as a leader
Wot a Dumb Comment, people Were Killed Coz of that Murderer
RE: Kerry conceded by eckocomplex on 11-05-2004 at 11:18 AM
Religion is a stupid thing to base your president on.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/st...P/00/epolls.0.html
^Quite interesting in regards to how important intelligence is over religious faith...
Bush is a man who invaded a country because he claims God told him to. I have nver herd such BS. He is a man who brings in the kindergarten cop to get votes. Never have I seen such BS. And he's a world leader, it's a sad sad time for this world.
And with the whole "abortions should be illegal", yeah they sometimes should. But in some circumstances it would be far better off (for every one).
RE: Kerry conceded by Anubis on 11-05-2004 at 12:08 PM
quote:Well there hasn't been any culling, nor has there been any threat of one so I'm going to say, they are better off...
Originally posted by ABC123
I'm now starting to wonder if Iraq was better off with Saddam as a leader.
quote:Just because they were loyal to him doesn't mean he was good...I mean they are extremists, they're virtually brainwashed into their line of thought. Overall I think the majority are happier, but the extremist minority are unhappy. As always the unhappy (and dangerous) extremists will get more attention.
Originally posted by TheBlasphemer
If sad-ham was so bad, how come people where still fighting for him when the americans got him? there was no more oppression since he was obviously unabel to being captured by the americans, so there must've been another reason...
quote:Is it? Think about it...Most of the southern Christians, you'll have a hard time trying to find more morally and ethical folks...Bush does have morals and ethics and this does make a good leader...
Originally posted by eckocomplex
Religion is a stupid thing to base your president on.
quote:From what I heard it was more Christians in general than Catholics...new-born Christians mainly, I may be wrong...just curious about that
Originally posted by CookieRevised
one of the big reasons why Bush has won is because many "hardcore" Catholics voted in last instance on a massive scale for Bush
RE: Kerry conceded by Pr0xY on 11-05-2004 at 05:27 PM
quote:If he was left there he would have killed more.
Originally posted by Demandred
Wot a Dumb Comment, people Were Killed Coz of that Murderer
quote:Because they were as fucked up in the head as he was. And not all were fighting for him, alot are terroriest that are going by what they think their religion tells them to do. And some are people who plainly hate America cause they've been taught to hate america ever since birth.
Originally posted by TheBlasphemer
If sad-ham was so bad, how come people where still fighting for him when the americans got him? there was no more oppression since he was obviously unabel to being captured by the americans, so there must've been another reason...
quote:The United States Of America was based on Religion. Almost everyone that lived here during the Revolutionary war, and Civil War, were Christians. Religion WAS the back bone of this country. Now if you look at our society, its the way it is because religion is not stress as important anymore.
Originally posted by eckocomplex
Religion is a stupid thing to base your president on.
RE: Kerry conceded by CookieRevised on 11-05-2004 at 06:42 PM
quote:This has nothing todo with religion not being important anymore.
Originally posted by pr0xy
Now if you look at our society, its the way it is because religion is not stress as important anymore.
quote:Everybody has morals and ethics, even extremists like Osama Bin Laden. Having them has nothing todo with being a good leader or not. The question is are those morals and ethics the ones that the general people agree with...
Originally posted by Anubis
Bush does have morals and ethics and this does make a good leader
quote:In our western eyes not. But this was not the world's issue/division. The issue was how to put Saddam down. America and UK choose to directly invade, start a war and drive him out. Others wanted to try the diplomatic/political/economical way first to prevent the things which are happening right now....
Originally posted by ABC123
I'm now starting to wonder if Iraq was better off with Saddam as a leader.
RE: Kerry conceded by Pr0xY on 11-07-2004 at 07:26 AM
quote:I didn't say it did. I was replying back to what eckocomplex said about it being bad to base your president on religion. Then I made a comment about how our society in the US is getting more corrupt because the line that separated what was right and wrong has been stretched so far that we now have the idea that its up to ourselfs to decide what is right and wrong, and I think thats a bad thing. Anyways, I said that because it had something to do with some of the reply's, I'm just too lazy and tired to look for it right now.
Originally posted by CookieRevised
quote:This has nothing todo with religion not being important anymore.
Originally posted by pr0xy
Now if you look at our society, its the way it is because religion is not stress as important anymore.
RE: RE: Kerry conceded by user2319 on 11-11-2004 at 03:53 PM
quote:
Originally posted by eckocomplex
Religion is a stupid thing to base your president on.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/st...P/00/epolls.0.html
^Quite interesting in regards to how important intelligence is over religious faith...
Bush is a man who invaded a country because he claims God told him to. I have nver herd such BS. He is a man who brings in the kindergarten cop to get votes. Never have I seen such BS. And he's a world leader, it's a sad sad time for this world.
And with the whole "abortions should be illegal", yeah they sometimes should. But in some circumstances it would be far better off (for every one).
Wow, that link is really interesting.. it turns out that of people who found honest/trustworthy most important, 70% voted Bush!
No way!
And I don't see why so many people are against abortion. I mean, the world is getting crowded, and those babies are unwanted anyway. And about it being murder -- who cares? Africa is full of people we are just letting to starve. And America has the death penalty, as Cookie said. IMO, letting people starve in Africa is closer to murder than abortion.
quote:
Originally posted by http://www.perkel.com/politics/issues/abortion.htm
Teen Pregnancy, Slavery, and Prostitution
The most common form of prostitution in America isn't street walkers or escort services. The most common form of prostitution are young unwed mothers who have to do whatever it takes to find food and shelter for their children. If a woman without skills and family support is stuck trying to earn a living and support the children, she has few options. She is forced to find a man to move in with to take care of her and her kids. In order to get a man to do this, she has to have sex with him and be his personal slave so that she can survive. In many cases, she has no choice. Our society seems to find this acceptable. I don't. An abortion can prevent a teenager from having their lives ruined by an untimely pregnancy and allow them to finish school, learn a trade, and select the mate they want rather than being stuck with the first guy who comes along. Abortion liberates women from the life of a whore/slave and allows her to control her own life and decide for herself when and with whom she will have children.