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They just can't get the facts right can they by jren207 on 11-04-2004 at 10:46 PM

Well in a matter of interest I went to google and searched for "msgplus" just to see all the pages about plus... like you do... 8-)... anyway, I like investigating stuff to do with computer operating and found a page in the results which was a process library that gives info on processes and this page was giving info on msgplus.exe

Just check this out...

http://www.processlibrary.com/directory/files/msgplus/

they are like omg this is horrible, remove it right away, or in other non jren207 words,

quote:
Originally posted by http://www.processlibrary.com/directory/files/msgplus/

msgplus.exe is distributed as a third party MSN extension. However is also spyware. This process monitors your browsing habits and distributes the data back to the author's servers for analyses. This also prompts advertising popups. This program is a registered security risk and should be removed immediately. Please see additional details regarding this process

security risk my ass ^o)

but it then says ...

quote:
For detailed process information get WinTasks 5 Pro

yeh, of course, trying to sell some program....

what is annoying is that they are trying to fool gullable people or n00bs 8-), into buying crap software that will probably do more harm than good to their systems than what plus would ever do (which msgplus doing any damage is soo unlikely and impossible :P).

this just really annoys me :@,

thanks
RE: They just can't get the facts right can they by DJeX on 11-04-2004 at 11:01 PM

Wow I was just doing the same thing, searching on Google for msgplus.

I seem to find the same results you did.

RE: They just can't get the facts right can they by kingboy on 11-04-2004 at 11:02 PM

i think someone posted this a while ago....

But still crazy

"Author:      MessengerPlus"

Yes of course, its its own author:blah!:

RE: They just can't get the facts right can they by jren207 on 11-04-2004 at 11:07 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Kingboy

"Author:   MessengerPlus"

Yes of course, its its own author [Image: blah!.gif]

yeh, shows how stupid they are, it proves they cant get the facts right, they can't even get the author right 8-)

just interested in selling their dam program :deal:
RE: They just can't get the facts right can they by DJeX on 11-04-2004 at 11:08 PM

WOW LOL this one says its a Adult content dialler

http://computercops.biz/startuplist-5800.html

:lol:


UPDATE:

Damn they need to make up there mind

http://computercops.biz/startuplist-2034.html

RE: They just can't get the facts right can they by jren207 on 11-04-2004 at 11:12 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DJeX

OMG!!! this one says its a Adult content dialler

http://computercops.biz/startuplist-5800.html

:lol:

wtf lol, see what I mean.... :P
RE: They just can't get the facts right can they by WDZ on 11-05-2004 at 03:38 AM

quote:
Originally posted by jren207
Just check this out...

http://www.processlibrary.com/directory/files/msgplus/

they are like omg this is horrible, remove it right away, or in other non jren207 words,
Well, that site has info about thousands of different processes in its database, and they obviously don't give much attention to any one. Maybe they just accept whatever users send them, or it might even be automated. This false text: "monitors your browsing habits and distributes the data back to the author's servers for analyses" is exactly the same as in other descriptions, meaning they either lazily copy-pasted, or it's a standard pre-written text. :dodgy:
RE: They just can't get the facts right can they by Tochjo on 11-05-2004 at 02:21 PM

quote:
Originally posted by WDZ
Maybe they just accept whatever users send them, or it might even be automated.
I sent them an email with very detailed information a few weeks ago, but apparently they don't care enough to update the information :(

I'll see if sending a new email has any effect.
RE: RE: They just can't get the facts right can they by TonyKlein on 11-05-2004 at 02:52 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DJeX
WOW LOL this one says its a Adult content dialler

http://computercops.biz/startuplist-5800.html

Hi all,

I'm one of the folks responsible for the ComputerCops/CastleCops Startup List,  and I can assure you that that particular msgplus.exe  is indeed an adult content dialer.

You see,  lots of dialers,  spyware,  worms,  trojans and other malware actually use familiar file names in order to pretend to be something they aren't...

We do in fact have the 'real'  MessengerPlus startup listed as well:

http://castlecops.com/startuplist-2034.html
RE: They just can't get the facts right can they by WDZ on 11-05-2004 at 02:58 PM

quote:
Originally posted by TonyKlein
You see,  lots of dialers,  spyware,  worms,  trojans and other malware actually use familiar file names in order to pretend to be something they aren't...
OK... thanks for coming here to explain. But shouldn't that information actually be on the page (startuplist-5800.html) so people aren't misled?
RE: They just can't get the facts right can they by TonyKlein on 11-05-2004 at 03:07 PM

Good idea!  Will edit the description!  :)

RE: They just can't get the facts right can they by TonyKlein on 11-05-2004 at 03:10 PM

... and done!  ;)

http://castlecops.com/startuplist-5800.html

RE: They just can't get the facts right can they by WDZ on 11-05-2004 at 03:11 PM

Wow, that was quick. Thanks. :)

RE: They just can't get the facts right can they by CookieRevised on 11-05-2004 at 03:15 PM

TonyKlein,

Indeed welcome to our forums. It is extremely rare that someone from such sites comes here. So (Y) to you ;) much respect ;)

quote:
Originally posted by TonyKlein
We do in fact have the 'real'  MessengerPlus startup listed as well:
http://castlecops.com/startuplist-2034.html
May I suggest to alter the description a bit, as currently it isn't totally accurate:

Original:
Third party MSN Messenger extension that hides banner ads and adds archiving and other useful features. Bundles the hard to remove C2Media LOP parasite; the latest version of the software luckily offers you a choice during setup: make sure you install MessengerPlus WITHOUT that "sponsor program"!

Suggestion:
Third party MSN Messenger extension that adds archiving and other useful features. Comes with the optional, hard to remove, C2Media LOP sponsor; each version of the software luckily offers you a choice during setup: make sure you install Messenger Plus! WITHOUT that "sponsor program" if you don't want to add adware on your computer to support Messenger Plus!.

Why:
* hides banner ads: as of the new public beta, it no longer does this: see http://shoutbox.menthix.net/showthread.php?tid=34015
* optional: very important, as many people believe it is forced upon them.
* hard to remove: if you wish, please remove this line, as it is in fact very easy to uninstall by uninstalling Messenger Plus!. This will trigger the uninstall of the sponsor also. For some reason people find it inlogic to uninstall a program to remove the things it installed :/
* parasite > sponsor: parasite is mainly associated with spyware, trojans and viri. Wich is not what the sponsor is, it is adware only.
* the latest version > each: since the sponsor was added, every version of Plus! had the option to opt out on the sponsorinstall. This has always been so and it was never forced upon the user.
* if you don't want to add adware on your computer to support Messenger Plus!: I added this because that is the reason why it contains the adware sponsor. It also leaves the user to choose, instead of telling it what to do. And it fair to the user as well to Patchou.

I've seen also that you link to Sandi's site about Messenger Plus!, although it contains much more true things about it then it used to, it still has some incorrect info...

And maybe asking to add the site will be going to far I assume? Well I can try ;) http://www.msgplus.net/

quote:
Originally posted by WDZ
But shouldn't that information actually be on the page (startuplist-5800.html) so people aren't misled?
Yes, maybe. On the other hand I could understand why it isn't listed there. Although to give complete accurate info maybe it should...

EDIt: wow, indeed quick addition of the true Messenger Plus! process. (Y)
RE: They just can't get the facts right can they by TonyKlein on 11-05-2004 at 03:19 PM

quote:
Wow, that was quick. Thanks.


No prob at all!  :)

Cheers, 

Tony
RE: RE: They just can't get the facts right can they by TonyKlein on 11-05-2004 at 03:28 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
Indeed welcome to our forums. It is extremely rare that someone from such sites comes here. So (Y) to you ;) much respect ;)

Thanks for the welcome.  :)  In our Hijack This - Spyware removal section we do indeed spend an inordinate amount of time just helping people to get rid of that IBIS/LOP toolbar...  *-)

But no hard feelings... (A) :-#

Have a look at the link now:  url added,  'parasite' changed to 'adware',  so I suggest you go count your blessings now... LOL!

Cheers,
RE: They just can't get the facts right can they by CookieRevised on 11-05-2004 at 03:48 PM

quote:
Originally posted by TonyKlein
Thanks for the welcome.    In our Hijack This - Spyware removal section we do indeed spend an inordinate amount of time just helping people to get rid of that IBIS/LOP toolbar... 
I don't say people don't have problems with it in general though. It can be very nasty indeed.

But the toolbar that comes with Messenger Plus! is a very stripped down and special made toolbar/sponsor for Messenger Plus!. It can't be compared to the "normal" things you'll find in other LOP containing programs.

The uninstallation process of the sponsor of Plus! is tested again and again by many people, and each time it never fails to completely remove every trace of it. It is only when people are using programs like ad-aware, S&D, etc. that the sponsor will get corrupted and then the hassle begins. In order to fix this, the user must reinstall Plus! with the sponsor and right-after uninstall it again. And while doing this, no anti-ad/spyware programs must be used...

Also some cause of the problems is that people don't follow the onscreen instruction like entering the validation number, closing every instance of their MSIE or forget to reboot.

Recently we had someone here who complained that the sponsor couldn't be uninstalled and that it was realy a pain in the neck. Afterwards he realized that he had still a process running of ad-aware which time after time tried to block the sponsor, with all the consequences. See http://shoutbox.menthix.net/showthread.php?tid=34111



And I like to ask/stress on this again (A): * the latest version > each version: since the sponsor was added in v2.10.36 (may 23th 2003), every version of Plus! had the option to opt out on the sponsor install. This has always been so and it was never forced upon the user.

Anyways, thank you for the additions (Y)
RE: RE: They just can't get the facts right can they by TonyKlein on 11-05-2004 at 04:02 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
The uninstallation process of the sponsor of Plus! is tested again and again by many people, and each time it never fails to completely remove every trace of it.

I believe you;  however,  as most people coming to us are mainly interested in getting rid of LOP while retaining the main MsgPlus application,  we usually just help them do that,  which is not a prob if you know how to go about it. 

If you're right,  your suggestion of uninstalling and then re-installing sans the sponsor program would arguably be the easier way of achieving that result...
RE: They just can't get the facts right can they by Fraisie on 11-05-2004 at 05:03 PM

Hi TonyKlein !

It's nice to see you take our comments into consideration for your website. It is very appreciated, and I'm sure Patchou, the maker of Messenger Plus!, would be very please to see that :)

RE: They just can't get the facts right can they by TonyKlein on 11-05-2004 at 05:16 PM

Hi Fraisie.  You're welcome! :)

We like the information on our List to be as correct and up to date as it can be,  so we are always open to suggestions and comments.

RE: They just can't get the facts right can they by DJeX on 11-06-2004 at 12:20 AM

Thanks TonyKlein for taking your time to come here and work with us. Greatly appreciated! (Y):D

RE: They just can't get the facts right can they by TonyKlein on 11-06-2004 at 01:18 AM

It's a pleasure!  Paul,  our webmaster,  alerted us to this thread,  and I thought I might drop by to clarify a few things...

RE: They just can't get the facts right can they by jren207 on 11-06-2004 at 01:43 AM

I'm pleased that this has been sorted out. It's nice to see people who make sure things are correct :)

As for the first site which I mentioned at the start of thread.... who knows about that :(