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Request For Stats by Stigmata on 02-06-2005 at 11:34 AM
would it be possible in the statistics to have a page that lists all the beta testers and all the translators + what language they translate to 
i just think this would be a intresting feature
and i know how much wdz loves his statistics
and i would love to see more tbh
- who spent the longest time on the board
- What browser people use
just some geeky things like that
RE: Request For Stats by Edna Mode on 02-06-2005 at 11:45 AM
it sounds like a good idea
*congratulations you made me look at the stats for the first time ever
RE: Request For Stats by Hank on 02-06-2005 at 11:47 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Stigmata
would it be possible in the statistics to have a page that lists all the beta testers and all the translators + what language they translate to
i just think this would be a intresting feature
and i know how much wdz loves his statistics
and i would love to see more tbh
- who spent the longest time on the board
- What browser people use
just some geeky things like that
Personally it'd be a waste i think , DZ might be lazy but Stig, what good is that gonna do?
RE: Request For Stats by John Anderton on 02-06-2005 at 12:05 PM
quote:Its fun
Originally posted by Demandred
Personally it'd be a waste i think , DZ might be lazy but Stig, what good is that gonna do?
quote:Nice to know who all have been included
Originally posted by Stigmata
would it be possible in the statistics to have a page that lists all the beta testers and all the translators + what language they translate to
quote:Nice to see who's the
Originally posted by Stigmata
# who spent the longest time on the board
# What browser people use
EDIT:
* John Anderton gets the feeling that these stats wont be added
RE: Request For Stats by Sunshine on 02-06-2005 at 12:13 PM
Asfor a list of betatesters:
I don't see why, also this might cause ppl to bug betatesters for the beta (they already can now...but a list is far more tempting)..just as Seph gets bugged with requests to become one as soon as it gets posted he chooses them along with Patchou.
Translator list:
Sounds good to me, this will prevent ppl from asking to become a translator if they see there already is someone translating to that language. However, downside to that...translators might get bugged with the request to help out or how to become a translator (or for the beta as clearly translators are betatesters too).
Other statistics mentioned:
Nah, waste of space.
RE: Request For Stats by saralk on 02-06-2005 at 12:19 PM
I think the translator list would be pretty good tbh, it could also have things like the amount of activity each language is recieving.
quote:
Originally posted by Sunshine
(or for the beta as clearly translators are betatesters too).
whaaaaat
* saralk learns russian
RE: Request For Stats by John Anderton on 02-06-2005 at 12:25 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Sunshine
Translator list:
Ya gets my vote every time
quote:After reading ur post i kinda still want it but u make avalid point so .... guess the answer is no.
Originally posted by Sunshine
Asfor a list of betatesters:
quote:
Originally posted by Sunshine
Other statistics mentioned:
I would have liked that but ok RE: Request For Stats by Sunshine on 02-06-2005 at 12:30 PM
quote:
Originally posted by saralk
quote:
Originally posted by Sunshine
(or for the beta as clearly translators are betatesters too).
whaaaaat
quote:Ofcourse, think for a second..how can they translate what they don't have? They betatest their translation for sure
Originally posted by Violet
omg really
Could be they just receive the language/ini files (all those that need to be translated) tho..i dunno, atleast they betatest languagefile
RE: Request For Stats by _Humphreys on 02-06-2005 at 12:46 PM
The more neat stats like this the better. Gives me more and more time to waste time. I think we should have a Time spent on the forum stat as well.
RE: Request For Stats by paperless on 02-06-2005 at 12:49 PM
it would be cool to have statistics like the PHPbb ones.. i agree 
with statistics
RE: Request For Stats by user27089 on 02-06-2005 at 12:55 PM
I think its an okay Idea, and don't agree with sunshine, people bug people for the beta's anyway... cause people cna see who the beta testers are because of the blue tabs 
...
RE: Request For Stats by kao on 02-06-2005 at 01:09 PM
translaters just get the .ini files in C:\Program Files\Messenger Plus! 3\Resources to translate, not a beta version afaik
RE: Request For Stats by x2zen on 02-06-2005 at 01:13 PM
quote:No, they get a beta version.
Originally posted by Kao
translaters just get the .ini files in C:\Program Files\Messenger Plus! 3\Resources to translate, not a beta version afaik
RE: Request For Stats by Eljay on 02-06-2005 at 02:12 PM
well i like the idea for the beta testers list and maybe translators as well
but the browser thing and whos been on longest are just plain daft
RE: Request For Stats by user27089 on 02-06-2005 at 03:18 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Lee Jeffery
but the browser thing and whos been on longest are just plain daft
The 'whos been on longest' idea is pretty much there, if you just go to member list, then you can see who was the first to join etc. The browser thing is pretty stupid aswell...
RE: Request For Stats by Eljay on 02-06-2005 at 03:28 PM
whos been on the longest is nothing to do with registered date
its to do with how many hours a person has visited the forum
RE: Request For Stats by _Humphreys on 02-06-2005 at 03:47 PM
Traxor did you really think I am that lazy 
I ment what Lee Jeffery said.
RE: Request For Stats by Stigmata on 02-06-2005 at 05:08 PM
daft
well im guessing beta and translators = yes
other = no ??
RE: Request For Stats by user27089 on 02-06-2005 at 05:09 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Stigmata
well im guessing beta and translators = yes
other = no ??
RE: Request For Stats by paperless on 02-06-2005 at 05:55 PM
i think hje means the time in hours people have been here...
RE: Request For Stats by Stigmata on 02-06-2005 at 06:02 PM
quote:yep
Originally posted by paperless
i think hje means the time in hours people have been here...
RE: Request For Stats by WDZ on 02-07-2005 at 04:56 AM
quote:Read what Sunshine said.
Originally posted by Stigmata
page that lists all the beta testers
quote:The forum database doesn't currently know what languages they translate to. Also, there is already a translator database maintained by Patchou and MenthiX. If any list is made public, it probably should be that. Currently, it can't be since it contains private info.
and all the translators + what language they translate to
quote:I might add that feature again (I added it to DevBB before), but it should be by surprise so you don't know when to cheat.
Originally posted by Stigmata
who spent the longest time on the board
(I think people would probably set their browsers to refresh often, thus keeping them "online" when they're really not.)quote:The most typical way to get browser stats is by analyzing the access logs, but I think what would be more interesting/accurate is gathering stats for members only. I'll set something up for that, ok?
Originally posted by Stigmata
What browser people use
RE: Request For Stats by surfichris on 02-07-2005 at 05:39 AM
quote:Add it at some stage and leave it running for a few months (maybe one month
Originally posted by WDZ
I might add that feature again (I added it to DevBB before), but it should be by surprise so you don't know when to cheat. (I think people would probably set their browsers to refresh often, thus keeping them "online" when they're really not.)
) just to get some "real" stats..
RE: Request For Stats by Ash_ on 02-07-2005 at 11:43 AM
im all for the idea,
but seeings as everyone is craving stats, heres mine and -dt-'s sig views stats combined
quote:
Originally posted by Stats
44417 Total vists
21975 Total Firefox vists
19993 Total IE vists
1463 Total Opera vists
986 Total other browser vists
RE: Request For Stats by CookieRevised on 02-07-2005 at 12:57 PM
Beta testers and translators are two different groups and they recieve different "beta" versions.
quote:
as posted here, and updated it a bit
(...) there is a difference between beta-testers and translators. Translators should focus mainly on translating, not on testing...
The normal way is:
- Patchou makes a beta...
- The beta is send only to those who are beta-tester. They test the beta for bugs and they report directly to Patchou...
- Patchou fixes the reported bugs...
- Another beta is send to the beta-testers and step 3 is repeated until Patchou and the beta-testers can't find any more bugs...
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Above steps are the same in case a public-beta is made. (like the current beta version)
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- Patchou makes a translators-beta...
- The translators-beta is send to the translators, and they make their translations and send them directly to Patchou...
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(In the main time, beta-testing can still continue though, and if a major bug is found, the process is repeated from step 5. Or sometimes Patchou can dicide to make a private beta for only 1 tester who encountered some strange bug.)
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- If everything went well and the deadline is there, Patchou can make a final beta and send them to the beta-testers and translators for the final check...
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- Short fater this, Patchou makes the public version and releases it to the public...
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Now, all this doesn't mean that the translators can't test stuff also!
With some releases, not all beta-testers are given the first beta, so some bugs may have gone unnoticed at first (note: at first!)...
Of course, if the translators find a bug which was overlooked by the testers, they can report it. But they should report it directly to Patchou...
In case of a public beta, people can also report bugs on the forums.
As WDZ already said, the translators list contains private info and thus will not be published. But, if you search the forums a bit and if you look at the translation files, you can come a very long way to figure out the official and unofficial (those who don't have a "sticker" but do translate) list and who's translating what or who has translated what in the past...
Sometimes it would be handy to know who did what, but in almost all cases this is because of translation reasons. So you can easly contact Menthix/Patchou to ask for a mailforward in that case. I'm not sure if this list should be made public though. I know, like I said, you can figure out a lot by yourself, but there is still a difference between that and having a full blown list somewhere.
If someone wants to translate Messenger Plus!, all they have to do is look if the language already exists in Messenger Plus!. And if they still want to translate/help, they can post a message on the translation forums. (as it was always done as you can see in that forum)
As for the beta-testers list, this is the same story. Search the forums for those who have a beta-"sticker" below their name. Also, you can have a look in the about-screen of Messenger Plus!. The betatester-list is something which shouldn't be published IMHO (even more then the translatorslist) for the obvious "bugging"-reasons...
RE: Request For Stats by jren207 on 02-07-2005 at 06:39 PM
I think the browser stats etc would be a good idea, because you can see what browser someone is using the most, so that you can take priority to develop parts of the pages of the forum for the popular browser first, then make changes to other parts, like the way firefox make things look different to IE...
RE: Request For Stats by Supersonicdarky on 02-09-2005 at 12:09 PM
If you don't want to waste time making a program to see people's browser, just go to www.statcounter.com and follow easy steps
Hope i've helped
RE: Request For Stats by WDZ on 02-10-2005 at 06:24 AM
quote:Things like that are for web newbies, IMO.
Originally posted by supersonicdarky
If you don't want to waste time making a program to see people's browser, just go to www.statcounter.com and follow easy steps
They're ugly, and they slow your pages because you have to load a dynamic image from another server.Anyways, I gathered browser IDs for almost 500 members over the last few days, and here are some quick and dirty stats...
1. IE 6.0 (52.83%)
2. Firefox 1.0 (37.39%)
3. Opera 7.5 (2.17%)
4. Firefox 0.10 (1.52%)
5. IE 5.0 (1.09%)
6. Opera 8.0 (0.87%)
7. Netscape 7.2 (0.65%)
8. IE 5.5 (0.65%)
9. Mozilla 1.7 (0.43%)
I might make a more detailed report some other time... I'm tired...
RE: Request For Stats by Supersonicdarky on 02-10-2005 at 08:48 PM
Go firefox!
RE: Request For Stats by saralk on 02-10-2005 at 08:56 PM
i reckon me and wdz are the only opera users.
RE: Request For Stats by WDZ on 02-10-2005 at 09:06 PM
There's also EvilSeph, wtbw, Kryptonate, and a dozen other newer members. 
RE: Request For Stats by Eljay on 02-10-2005 at 09:08 PM
i used to use opera.....
then i discovered firefox
RE: Request For Stats by Menthix on 02-10-2005 at 10:56 PM
quote:I have all the data from all translators stored in a SQL DB, so it shoul be easy to create a list for public use. But what do we really want to do with this public list? Pure stats of would we want some way of contacting translators as well, because then there should be some way to contact them witout them getting flooded by useless things. I can imagine it would be helpfull if there was a list of translators were people can see how many persons translate in their language, and when none or few people are translation he can contact Patchou, me or the existing translators to ask to join.
Originally posted by CookieRevised
As WDZ already said, the translators list contains private info and thus will not be published. But, if you search the forums a bit and if you look at the translation files, you can come a very long way to figure out the official and unofficial (those who don't have a "sticker" but do translate) list and who's translating what or who has translated what in the past...
Sometimes it would be handy to know who did what, but in almost all cases this is because of translation reasons. So you can easly contact Menthix/Patchou to ask for a mailforward in that case. I'm not sure if this list should be made public though. I know, like I said, you can figure out a lot by yourself, but there is still a difference between that and having a full blown list somewhere.
If someone wants to translate Messenger Plus!, all they have to do is look if the language already exists in Messenger Plus!. And if they still want to translate/help, they can post a message on the translation forums. (as it was always done as you can see in that forum)