As plus developes more and more (unwanted) features, I'd like to see a light version of Messenger Plus with only the basics as hiding the ad banner, and chat logging. Or maybe just the Plus platform without any options, but on which you would be able to install any option you want seperately (kinda like firefox).

This would be great for the people that don't like pointless crap with sounds, notifications, email checking, message helpers and so on.

so, there ^_^


-edited topic title as Lite is out of the question-

Patchou will not make something that will allow you to see the add banner...if you don't wish to see it use StuffPlug-NG.

But a lighter version of Plus, or an option when installing where you can optionally select which features will be enabled when you are finsihed installing (or just after installing) may be good for some people.

tbh think it be so much work for not alot of good, things like the new sounds (which you ahve said u done like) can be made so that they don't play. so i don't see the problem with having them there, even if you don't like them or don't use them

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pointless crap with .... notifications, email checking, message helpers

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Well, I for one never use them, nor have I seen friends of mine use them

And all features take up space, time configuring and perhaps system memory too (not sure on that). Also, the more features, the more of a mess the main menu becomes. It's already a maze with way too much stuff

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Originally posted by toddy
tbh think it be so much work for not alot of good

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Hmm, the menu is pretty easy to follow, and remember that we're always here helping whenever people get confused, all of the features in plus are useful at one point... some may not be as useful, but Patchou doesn't put stuff in thats pointless...

As for you and your friends, you don't see the full potential and/or don't understand the features...

Oh but I do, they just don't have that much potential for us.

I've disabled all MSN's standard notifications, now why would I want extra from plus?

But I must say, I use message helpers now and then...

And sure, the menu is pretty easy to follow, but many people are overwhelmed by it on first sight. When I showed it to a friend, the reaction was "woah way too much options, I dont want all that". Many people are like that, you know

They have definite potential for others though, you're one of the first to complain about this, a lot of people find it useful, I assure you, Patchou would not add unuseful features...

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Many people are like that, you know

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Originally posted by DeltaBlast
Many people are like that, you know

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Originally posted by DeltaBlast
Oh but I do, they just don't have that much potential for us

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My point is that you guys only see one side of the story.

The people that don't like things usually stay quiet and move on. It takes time and effort to register here and to actually post. Adding to that, not all people know english (and ys, I know about the language specific forums, but that aside). I can see that if a person thinks that a program is too much hassle, that he/she won't take half an hour to browse here, register, and complain about it...

"so why are there like 2 million people downloading it monthly still?"
> There are many more not downloading it, but aside from that, that someone downloaded it doesn't mean they actually USE it. The person in my example downloaded it, installed it, and uninstalled it.

Personally, I've downloaded Messenger Plus about 20 times now (new versions, other computers, reinstalls, etc), but that doesn't mean that 20 people downloaded it.

can i ask where you getting your stats/info from ??

yes somepeople may think there a few to many options/features, but the majory of people don't !! because they find the features useful

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Originally posted by DeltaBlast
The people that don't like things usually stay quiet and move on

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Originally posted by DeltaBlast
take half an hour

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Originally posted by DeltaBlast
My point is that you guys only see one side of the story.

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"can i ask where you getting your stats/info from ??"
>>From quite a big range of friends/contacts/family, and I think that they represent the larger population quite well.

"again see no evidence of this, search the forum you will see that many people come and post ther opinions and thngs"
>>. . . That is my point. You don't see those people because they don't post. For every user that posts here there are 100s, maybe 1000s who don't.

"you can sign up and post a thread with in about 5 mins"
>>>If you are lucky, yes. But there are the possible mail problems, the filling in of the profile, the actual typing of a good arguemented posts... it can easily take up to half an hour
But even 5 minutes is often too much nowadays.

There has been such a discussion before. Basically, if there are features you don't want, don't use them. Sure there are lots of features, but the way Plus 3 was designed was to make the preferences easier to use.

The people I know who use Plus have never had a problem using just the features they want. Certainly there are people who don't use all the features and just leave them alone.

If there was a "Plus Lite" version there would be too much arguement about what features should be kept and those that should be left out. Also it would mean a lot more work for Patchou. Its easier all round just to keep one version fits all

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and I think that they represent the larger population quite well.

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For every user that posts here there are 100s, maybe 1000s who don't.

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If you are lucky, yes. But there are the possible mail problems, the filling in of the profile, the actual typing of a good arguemented posts... it can easily take up to half an hour
But even 5 minutes is often too much nowadays

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If there was a "Plus Lite" version there would be too much arguement about what features should be kept and those that should be left out. Also it would mean a lot more work for Patchou. Its easier all round just to keep one version fits all

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Why is it so hard to install a program and when you dont want a function/feature then: DONT USE IT. No need for an Plus! Lite
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a lite version is out of the question

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funniest thing i've heard all day ....... to represent a large part of the population of users you would need to have like a couple million or more friends
>>do you even know what representing means? I have friends, contacts etc of many kinds, throughout the world. sure, it isn't a super acurate representation, but it gives you quite a global image.

how can u say that ?!?! you yourself just has just agreed there is no evidence
>>... do you see 2 million people register here each month? pff

well if the person is really that bothered then they will take the time to post !!
>> That's just the point: they aren't bothered enough to take the time to post. it's easier just not to use the program. And it's unlikely that posting about it is going to improve the situation... (that's why all of this is fairly pointless )

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That's why I suggested the seperate part. That way, users can pick what they want to install and what not. Because of that, even more feutures (that now reside in plugins, like better file transfer) could be made part of the whole program. Thus making it a better world ^_^

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Originally posted by DeltaBlast
You have to disable each item seperately, and they take up space and memory. Like said before. Please read next time before you start using caps.

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but it gives you quite a global image

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do you see 2 million people register here each month?

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You have to disable each item seperately

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How would this be done though? How can you make the preference panel so that it only contains some features? It would have to split up every feature and make the preferences more complex and unorganised.
>> each set of features already has their seperate header so that shouldn't really pose problems. Further you can choose what to install on the install itself (no seperate files, because that would become a complex mess indeed)

Firefox is the same as Plus. I don't think there is a version of Firefox where you choose what to install and what not to. You get one version of Firefox and you can add extensions to it. You get one version of Plus and you can add plugins to it. Its a system that works already.
>>FireFox is designed to have only the most basic of functions, the rest is extensions. plus on the other hand is loaded with functions, and the plugins are for third party functions.

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wots globe image got to do with owt ??? face it, you and your friends are a very very small percentage of the group of users
>>You know what, forget it, you obviously just don't understand what I mean.

so u think theres 2 million people that have problems with it
>>So you think everybody that registers here has a problem with it? ...

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Oh so now you removed the "Plus! Lite" from the thread title?

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Originally posted by DeltaBlast
FireFox is designed to have only the most basic of functions, the rest is extensions.

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wots globe image got to do with owt ??? face it, you and your friends are a very very small percentage of the group of users
>>You know what, forget it, you obviously just don't understand what I mean.

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So you think everybody that registers here has a problem with it?

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I think it would make developing new features easier, as they would be handled as seperate items without compromising the whole. Most programs already have in one way or another something like that on install. Look for example at winamp, at install you can choose to install with the media library and winamp agent, or without, or with just one of the two.

The autoupdate would know if you have a function installed or not, and if an update becomes available for a function you don't have installed, you don't need to update, which concludes to less bandwidth costs.

And I don't really think it would take much extra programming, because I think Plus is already build that way (with each function seperate) so Patchou would only need to extract each code and put them in in a different way

And if there is time to program annoying sounds in, why not this?

and @ toddy: I have no clue what you just said.

tbh most users like plus the way it is at the min, so can't see any of this happening i'm affraid

I understand what you are saying. I agree that Plus has lots of features. And ironically its this that is stopping there from being a modular version.

Its easy to say that its possible to just have modules to select on install, but try to actually visualise the end product. How would the preferences panel actually look? Surely its going to be a lot of extra work for Patchou to make the panel dynamically built depending on what features were chosen. The prefences panel is already split up into modules. It doesn't seem to make sense to say remove one of them.

I understand you have concerns about memory usage having lots of extra features. Patchou has said that Plus uses around 1Mb of memory whereas Messenger itself can use around 15Mb, so it shouldn't really be an issue. That said, Plus 3.50 is supposed to use even less resources. So its all good

i dont think this will happen because it would require patchou making more versions and the more he works on (pointless) things like this, the less time he will have to make the normal plus which would be a great shame

so.... no it wont be happening