i tried groups for teh first time today and they are ok but i have a question. is there anyway to order them yourself because by name isnt that useful?
can anyone help

i'm not sure what you mean exactly. but:

you can delete the "original" groups or simply rename them.. and make new ones. (just when you delete make sure that you don't delete your contacts too, just put them out of that group folder)

Edit: I just checked and it looks like msn doesn't let you delete groups that have contacts in them..

or .. if you want them in a specific order .. why dont you put numbers infront of the group names like (2Family) (1Friends) ..

What do you meen, put the groups in order or the contacts or what lol. If you want to make it easier to find or reconise your contacts use custom names on them. Incase you don't know what this is, it allows your to set custom names for your contacts. This means you can rename them to whatever you whant like their real names. This function can be accessed in the Preferences panel, in the Contact list section.