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Microsoft Forces SP2 download by DJeX on 02-23-2005 at 03:30 AM
quote:
From:Aunty Spam's Net Patrol :: http://www.aunty-spam.com/resistance-is-futile-mi...d-xp-sp1-machines/
Resistance is Futile - Microsoft Forces SP2 Update on All XP and XP SP1 Machines
10:13 pm, 2/21/2005 You are here: Top > Product Reviews > This Article
Note to self: Listen to Aunty live every Thursday night at 8pm on The David Lawrence Show! ( Streamed by KBNP!)
April 12th is the very last day. That’s when the clock runs, and the deadline looms.
And here you thought it was April 15th. Nope, it’s the twelfth. Because we’re not talking about the day your taxes are due. On no. We’re talking about the day that your Windows XP or Windows XP SP1 computer will be automatically updated to XP SP2 (Service Pack 2) whether you want it to or not. Period.
And here you thought that you owned your computer and the contents thereon, and could do whatever you wanted with it, and could choose what would, and what wouldn’t, be installed on it.
Wrong.
Up until now users who did not want to accept the SP2 update had the option of temporarily blocking the update from being downloaded to their machines through the Automatic or Windows Update mechanisms, however that option expires on April 12th.
According to Microsoft’s latest alert on the issue, “The intent of this alert is to provide you with a reminder about the upcoming deadline around the date on which Automatic Update (AU) and Windows Update (WU) will deliver Windows XP SP2 regardless of the presence of the blocking mechanism.”
Now, Aunty isn’t saying that you shouldn’t update to SP2 - indeed, you should, as it fixes many serious security holes. But there is something about removing the element of choice in how a consumer uses a personal product for which they paid which just doesn’t sit well.
Wow Microsoft is being pretty gay. I'm going to try and block this as well as I can, since I will never use SP2. I think it's an invasion of privacy and lack of respect for there customers. Those bastards!
UPDATE
I checked the web site again and supposedly they got there facts wrong Check it out
quote:
From:Aunty Spam's Net Patrol :: http://www.aunty-spam.com/resistance-is-futile-mi...d-xp-sp1-machines/
An Update to this Article:
At least one person has commented here, and a few others personally to Aunty or in other fora, that Aunty has her facts wrong, that Microsoft is not requiring you to update to SP2, and citing as support for that the fact that Microsoft has stated that they will support SP1 through 2006.
To that Aunty says:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winx...tain/sp2aumng.mspx
..which says, in relevant part:
“UPDATE: Time is running out! Please note that the mechanism to temporarily disable delivery of Windows XP SP2 is only available for a period of 240 days (8 months) from August 16, 2004. At the end of this period (after April 12, 2005), Windows XP SP2 will be delivered to all Windows XP and Windows XP Service Pack 1 systems.”
Now, granted English is Aunty’s first language, but still, to Aunty “will be delivered” means, well, will be delivered.
To those who took Aunty to task saying that this applies only to the Professional edition of XP, Aunty quotes from the same Microsoft document, wherein it offers the following timeline:
“Summary of Relevant Windows XP SP2 Dates
8/06/2004 - Release to manufacturing
8/09/2004 - Release to Microsoft Download Center (full network install package)
8/10/2004 - Release to Automatic Updates (for machines running pre-release versions of Windows XP SP2 only)
8/16/2004 - Release (English) via Software Update Services (SUS)
8/18/2004 - Release (English) via AU to customers running Windows XP Home Edition and not already running a pre-release version of Windows XP SP2
Later in August/2004 - Delivery of Windows XP SP2 (English) via Windows Update and delivery via AU to customers running Windows XP Professional Edition and not already running a pre-release version of Windows XP SP2
4/12/2005 - Windows XP SP2 will be delivered to all Windows XP and Windows XP Service Pack 1 systems.”
Please note the last three dates…it doesn’t say “Professional Edition only"..it says “first systems running Home Edition, then systems running Professional Edition….then all systems.”
It is, however, true that the update cannot be forced on you if you are not running Automatic Update or Windows Update.
Kissy kissy,
Aunty
Oh well....
RE: Microsoft Forces SP2 download by Caboose on 02-23-2005 at 03:35 AM
I use SP2 and there's nothing wrong with it. It's a worthwhile upgrade. I'm actually glad that they're doing this. Lately they've really been 'concerned' about security, and I'm glad that they're finally trying to do something about it... well, aside from actually taking the time to fix their software instead of making products like Microsoft AntiSpyware to cover it up... 
RE: Microsoft Forces SP2 download by Concord Dawn on 02-23-2005 at 03:43 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Caboose
I use SP2 and there's nothing wrong with it. It's a worthwhile upgrade. I'm actually glad that they're doing this. Lately they've really been 'concerned' about security, and I'm glad that they're finally trying to do something about it... well, aside from actually taking the time to fix their software instead of making products like Microsoft AntiSpyware to cover it up...
That's no excuse for making us download a 70 mb update in order to fix it. (Note: The download makes sure that you have a power adapter plugged in for all you laptop users.) My school says that I shouldn't download SP2, and I say that I won't because I don't want to waste my time downloading something that is going to get bypasses in about 6 weeks anyways.
RE: Microsoft Forces SP2 download by DJeX on 02-23-2005 at 03:45 AM
quote:
Originaly posted by:Caboose
I use SP2 and there's nothing wrong with it. It's a worthwhile upgrade. I'm actually glad that they're doing this. Lately they've really been 'concerned' about security, and I'm glad that they're finally trying to do something about it... well, aside from actually taking the time to fix their software instead of making products like Microsoft AntiSpyware to cover it up...
Ahh yea right.... Ermm can someone find my post awhile back, remember that one where I explained why it sucked so much. I'm not good at finding stuff on this forum can anyone help me out here.......
Not trying to be rude Caboose, but I just think SP2 is riddled with problems. But I do agree with you that It's good for Microsoft to start fixing there problems instead of covering them up but what makes me mad is now there is no choice in whether you want this or not.
RE: Microsoft Forces SP2 download by Chrono on 02-23-2005 at 03:52 AM
yip, when i read the subject, i was like "Who cares, that's good for the users" .
BUT:
quote:
Originally posted by DJeX
Now, Aunty isn’t saying that you shouldn’t update to SP2 - indeed, you should, as it fixes many serious security holes. But there is something about removing the element of choice in how a consumer uses a personal product for which they paid which just doesn’t sit well.
So true
RE: Microsoft Forces SP2 download by Concord Dawn on 02-23-2005 at 03:53 AM
quote:
Originally posted by DJeX
Ahh yea right.... Ermm can someone find my post awhile back, remember that one where I explained why it sucked so much. I'm not good at finding stuff on this forum can anyone help me out here.......
Not trying to be rude Caboose, but I just think SP2 is riddled with problems. But I do agree with you that It's good for Microsoft to start fixing there problems instead of covering them up but what makes me mad is now there is no choice in whether you want this or not.
They should fix IE first, that's the start of their problems TBH.
RE: Microsoft Forces SP2 download by DJeX on 02-23-2005 at 03:55 AM
Yes IE would benifit from a major fix... it would make more sense than useing SP2. Like a firewall, who needs one? If you go to good sites (not warez, porn or other illegal sites) you will be fine. Same goes for most of the security holes. If you browse crap your will get crap.
RE: Microsoft Forces SP2 download by Concord Dawn on 02-23-2005 at 04:00 AM
A firewall is used to keep out hackers, not stop adware.
RE: RE: Microsoft Forces SP2 download by Caboose on 02-23-2005 at 04:13 AM
quote:After more thought, I kind of agree with you on that bolded part (Chaotic_Shield as well). Users should have the choice to install something. But, then again, SP2 fixes many security problems that need to be addressed.
Originally posted by DJeX
Not trying to be rude Caboose, but I just think SP2 is riddled with problems. But I do agree with you that It's good for Microsoft to start fixing there problems instead of covering them up but what makes me mad is now there is no choice in whether you want this or not.
As for IE, I also agree that it should be one of the first things updated. Around 90% of users still use that pretty blue icon to surf the net, and it definately needs to be rebuilt from the ground up again like back in the old browser wars. Microsoft has said that they're not afraid of Firefox, but I think that they're at least a bit worried. I guess we'll see when the IE 7 beta is released
RE: Microsoft Forces SP2 download by WDZ on 02-23-2005 at 04:17 AM
Hah... when I saw this headline on Neowin earlier, I figured there would be people bitching about it, and I was right. 
quote:You should use an insult that actually makes sense so you don't look like an idiot.
Originally posted by DJeX
Wow Microsoft is being pretty gay.
quote:WTF? They're giving you an update for a product that they developed, not taking anything away from you.
Originally posted by DJeX
I think it's an invasion of privacy
quote:Possibly, but what they're doing makes sense. They shouldn't have to keep supporting users who are too stubborn to use the latest & greatest version of Windows XP.
Originally posted by DJeX
lack of respect for there customers
quote:"get bypasses"? What are you talking about? And SP2 has been out for like 6 months, not 6 weeks.
Originally posted by Chaotic_Shield
waste my time downloading something that is going to get bypasses in about 6 weeks anyways
quote:Err... many of the SP2 improvements are for IE.
Originally posted by DJeX
Yes IE would benifit from a major fix... it would make more sense than useing SP2.
RE: Microsoft Forces SP2 download by surfichris on 02-23-2005 at 04:41 AM
Do you want old viruses to continue spreading because people are too stupid to update their virus definitions or their copy of Windows?
This is Microsoft's only way of ensuring people are running the latest patches and everything to try and stop virral activity. I look at statistics of traffic flow and there is still a lot of problems because people are too stupid to keep their system up to date.
If you developed software that was used by millions and millions, how would you try to get every customer to update? They've tried the option of allowing users to choose when they want to upgrade but a lot of users ignore it. This is the only way they can get everything up to date.
RE: Microsoft Forces SP2 download by Hank on 02-23-2005 at 05:15 AM
quote:
Originally posted by DJeX
Wow Microsoft is being pretty gay. I'm going to try and block this as well as I can, since I will never use SP2. I think it's an invasion of privacy and lack of respect for there customers. Those bastards!
totally agree with u Djex
.. i will never download or use SP2, its a pile of Dung,IE7 should have been in SP2 , now Microsoft are getting behind in Numbers an updates, we'll soon have Netscape 8 soon, an is or i dunno if Opera 8 is out now?.. Avant Browser 10 will be out or is out finally, , that i dunno though, IMO, i think Netscape8 will be the big Windows Winner here, 2 Engines in the 1 browser, , , IE needs to be W3C compliant, its not now, an i dunno if it will ever be,
RE: Microsoft Forces SP2 download by Mike on 02-23-2005 at 05:22 AM
Thank you for letting me know, I will never restart my computer after April 12th
Well, I will be using GoBack everyday untill someone finds a way to bypass it...
RE: Microsoft Forces SP2 download by Pipish on 02-23-2005 at 05:23 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Chris Boulton
Do you want old viruses to continue spreading because people are too stupid to update their virus definitions or their copy of Windows?
This is Microsoft's only way of ensuring people are running the latest patches and everything to try and stop virral activity. I look at statistics of traffic flow and there is still a lot of problems because people are too stupid to keep their system up to date.
If you developed software that was used by millions and millions, how would you try to get every customer to update? They've tried the option of allowing users to choose when they want to upgrade but a lot of users ignore it. This is the only way they can get everything up to date.
i totaly agree with surfi
its not that hard to download either and i think its better and more secure
RE: Microsoft Forces SP2 download by L. Coyote on 02-23-2005 at 05:23 AM
I agree with the security and the importance of having the lastest security updates. But SP2 has only gotten me problems, and I had to remove it.
I do not like to be forced to use something that brings me problems. And even if it was perfect, I don't like the fact that I'll be forced to use it.
RE: Microsoft Forces SP2 download by Hank on 02-23-2005 at 05:25 AM
But Chris. by forcing software on Users, there just gonna get into trouble by the US Federal courts again, Microsoft never learn,
RE: Microsoft Forces SP2 download by ddunk on 02-23-2005 at 05:43 AM
They're not forcing software, they're forcing an update. With that logic you could get on basically any company out there, as most have required some type of update.
RE: Microsoft Forces SP2 download by Hank on 02-23-2005 at 05:50 AM
Linux doesnt make u update just because of a Bug. like for example a new Kernel , your not required to download it just because of Bugs, unless you need the support for more hardware or anything else,
RE: Microsoft Forces SP2 download by WDZ on 02-23-2005 at 06:00 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Mike2
Thank you for letting me know, I will never restart my computer after April 12th
Well, I will be using GoBack everyday untill someone finds a way to bypass it...
According to many of the comments on Neowin and this site, it's only "forced" if you use Windows Update or enable Automatic Updates. If you avoid those things, you can continue living with your old version and quit complaining.
I doubt there's any other way for Microsoft to force an update unless it's via their update service. They can't connect to your PC whenever they want and tell it to install SP2. For the people who have a problem with the large download size, read this comment...
quote:You could also order the free CD.
Autoupdate will quite happily download any updates bit by bit (no pun intended, honest) as and when it gets a chance. So it might get to download a couple MBs one day when you're on for a long time, and only a couple KBs the next as you do nothing more than check your email. Using BITS (Background Intelligent Transfer System) it'll try to only download when your connection is idle, so you shouldn't notice any slowdown in your connection speed either.
RE: Microsoft Forces SP2 download by Hank on 02-23-2005 at 06:03 AM
i'd use the CD as a drink Coaster
RE: Microsoft Forces SP2 download by -dt- on 02-23-2005 at 06:15 AM
eh i dont care i downloaded sp2 ages ago and disabled the firewall the firewall and that limit on connection things were the only bad things i've noticed about it.
quote:any link for the free cd? does it ship to australia because free stuff is always good lol
Originally posted by WDZ
You could also order the free CD.
RE: Microsoft Forces SP2 download by WDZ on 02-23-2005 at 06:25 AM
quote:http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/upda...en_us/default.mspx
Originally posted by -dt-
any link for the free cd?
They have Australia listed in the menu, but that list might contain every country. You'll probably have to go further into the ordering process to find out if you can get it.
RE: Microsoft Forces SP2 download by segosa on 02-23-2005 at 06:31 AM
So you think they should leave it as it is. Millions have SP2 but millions of others either don't even use Windows Update or they ignore the SP2 install.
Would you rather have everyone who uses XP (and updates it) to have their computers protected, or would you prefer they get infected with viruses which a) send out that spam you get in your inbox or b) get infected with botnet trojans that allow for hundreds (thousands) of infected drones to get together and DDoS people's internet connections and websites?
RE: Microsoft Forces SP2 download by surfichris on 02-23-2005 at 07:00 AM
quote:They ship to Australia.
Originally posted by WDZ
They have Australia listed in the menu, but that list might contain every country. You'll probably have to go further into the ordering process to find out if you can get it.
I have about ~100 of the update CD's which we usually hand out to clients after we install SP2 on their machines..
Like has been mentioned. Do you want to constantly be receiving old viruses and things in your email inbox because someone cant be assed to update? I know I don't want to because I already receive enough as it is.
quote:Exactly. I disabled the firewall, the security alerts (Norton AV/IS does that for me now), I patched tcp.sys to allow more connections. Nothing is different..
Originally posted by -dt-
eh i dont care i downloaded sp2 ages ago and disabled the firewall the firewall and that limit on connection things were the only bad things i've noticed about it.
RE: Microsoft Forces SP2 download by Pyroteq on 02-23-2005 at 11:16 AM
Really guys, ive had no problems with SP2.. Ive found that the people who complain about it just plain dont know what thier doing..
RE: Microsoft Forces SP2 download by haydos on 02-23-2005 at 11:24 AM
I have had SP2 for about a month now and its really no big deal..... but its gonna be a real bitch for all of the people who are on dial up connections or have download limits.
(Yes i realised that it's possible to get the CD but sum people may not order until close to the d/l date and then they dont have much choice but to d/l)
RE: Microsoft Forces SP2 download by Sam Spade on 02-23-2005 at 11:26 AM
quote:Did you not hear about the 'safe' web sites being infected with a trojan, and in turn infecting anybody who visited them who was not patched, a while back because the hosting servers were not patched. In short, restricting yourself to 'good sites' is not a guarantee of protection.
Originally posted by DJeX
Like a firewall, who needs one? If you go to good sites (not warez, porn or other illegal sites) you will be fine.
quote:You want choice? Turn off automatic updates, or set it to download but not install and then choose 'custom install' to pick and choose what you want. Problem solved.
Originally posted by DJex
Microsoft to start fixing there problems instead of covering them up but what makes me mad is now there is no choice in whether you want this or not.
RE: Microsoft Forces SP2 download by Plik on 02-23-2005 at 11:58 AM
Disc ordered 
* Plik forgets about it and gets a suprise in 28ish days
Although i doubt itll get to england in 28 days
RE: Microsoft Forces SP2 download by Kryptonate on 02-23-2005 at 12:14 PM
I'm glad Microsoft is doing this. I still haven't installed SP2 because everytime I try to do it I get problems with my svchost that keeps pushing my cpu usage at 100% 
. Guess I should spend some time soon looking again for an answer.
RE: Microsoft Forces SP2 download by Jhrono on 02-23-2005 at 01:38 PM
That would be if my windows update worked 
....anyway i'd downloaded it if it hasnt fu**ed my pc twice...it seems my build aint compatible(2600 from 2002..)
RE: Microsoft Forces SP2 download by Ezra on 02-23-2005 at 05:54 PM
I tried the download and the cd, both f*ck*d my pc, not gonna install it...
RE: Microsoft Forces SP2 download by mad_onion on 02-23-2005 at 09:17 PM
yeah it seems a good idea to me. you dont have to use it if you dont want to as long as you dont want to use windows update...
microsoft obvioulsy dont want to be supporting loads of different versions of xp. seems sensible to me.
RE: Microsoft Forces SP2 download by saralk on 02-23-2005 at 09:26 PM
quote:
Originally posted by madman66
Disc ordered
* madman66 forgets about it and gets a suprise in 28ish days
Although i doubt itll get to england in 28 days
it doesnt take long to send, and it is shipped from Germany i think
DAMN MY DODGY I KEY
RE: Microsoft Forces SP2 download by user27089 on 02-23-2005 at 09:35 PM
Yeah, I've ordered mine, I may aswell install it now anyway, I'm thinking of re-formatting to windows xp pro aswell ...
RE: Microsoft Forces SP2 download by DJeX on 02-23-2005 at 09:40 PM
LMAO what a thread this has turned into....
I go to sleep, go to school and come home to this. I have to say good job you've made my day 
quote:
Originaly Posted by: Scone
Really guys, ive had no problems with SP2.. Ive found that the people who complain about it just plain dont know what thier doing..
WTF? Ok so you’re basically saying you know what you’re doing? Humm yea and let me guess I don't? and the others that agree with me don't too. Pshh yea right...And WDZ nice work of quoting my text form my other posts
You make me laugh.Oh also WDZ my “microsoft is being preaty gay” thing, well looks like you’re the only one that don’t get it.
Well this is pretty cool, it brings out the noobs and it shows who really knows there stuff. I’m not saying WDZ is a noob or Scone is a noob I’m saying that everyone has there own opions so who cares if someone don't know as much as someone else. Where all equal or we should be all treated that way at least. I read alot of replies that got on my nerves but then I thought who cares? It's there opion and theres only.
Well I still do think that Microsoft shouldn’t force it on us and that we should have a choice and I do still think SP2 is crap. I've been using my XP with out SP2 since it came out and I haven’t had a trojan get in on me once. Some day it may be necessary to have, since the internet is getting worse every day. But right now it's not a necessity that you must have.
quote:
Origninaly Posted by: Mike2
Thank you for letting me know, I will never restart my computer after April 12th
Well, I will be using GoBack everyday untill someone finds a way to bypass it...
well that's not necessary lol but if you would like to go for it UPDATE
Check first post for update on article. Thanks.
RE: Microsoft Forces SP2 download by The_Thief on 03-02-2005 at 07:41 PM
It's only for businesses not for home users. Home users just turn off your automatic updates and you won't get it. the force is for business where there updates are turned on a server.
RE: Microsoft Forces SP2 download by segosa on 03-02-2005 at 10:03 PM
quote:
Originally posted by serpico
It's only for businesses not for home users. Home users just turn off your automatic updates and you won't get it. the force is for business where there updates are turned on a server.
It's forced on anyone who uses Windows Update. Including home users. If you don't get SP2, you can't use Windows Update. And that means no patches for future security holes.
RE: Microsoft Forces SP2 download by jren207 on 03-02-2005 at 10:32 PM
SP2 doesn't do much to mess up your computer. It patches stuff that'll help to keep your computer safe. You don't want your computer to be part of a spamming plot etc. Nor do you want to download activex controls without your knowledge. The pop-up blocker is quite good so you don't need all these tool bars (if you still use IE )
I do think you should have a choice whether or not to install it, but some people forget about stuff like this and get their computer hacked. If you don't like the built in firewall, you can always use a 3rd party one like norton personal firewall etc.
RE: Microsoft Forces SP2 download by CookieRevised on 03-03-2005 at 11:15 AM
indeed...
It is always when such news is posted that the old stories/rumours are spread again. SP2 is not the most buggy/crappy thing. First of all, the update will never be forced upon you, not with downloading and certainly not with installing, even if auto-update is on to check for updates! And even not in 2006 when Microsoft stops supporting SP1. You can always ignore any update, and even turn off the auto-update completely.
What will happen is that support will not be given anymore when you don't upgrade. Just like support §updates) isn't given anymore for Win95. This means nothing more then that you'll not be able to get other updates as long as you don't install SP2.
Furthermore, SP2 is one of the major updates of Windows XP. Of course this has been tested long and detailed before it was released to the public (more then other updates).
On a normal healthy system, there shouldn't be any problem with SP2. The problems that can occur are not because SP2 is crap, but because the other 3rd party programs already installed on your PC aren't updated properly (yet).
SP2 contains lots of fixes and updates on internal stuff of XP. This means that programs which use these things need to be updated also!!! This does NOT mean that SP2 is crap or buggy!!! Compare it with running a program on Windows95 and after updating to WindowsNT, of course there might by a problem with a program, that doesn't mean NT is shit (not so good example, but you know what I mean, I hope).
Some problems could only surface now, after installing SP2, but this does NOT mean it is SP2 that is buggy. Those problems existing already on the system without you knowing about it. And this goes for almost all the "problems" reported about SP2... (eg: one common problem is with special drivers. But the drivers provided with the hardware are often obsolete and not yet compatible with Service Pack 2. Update them instead of bashing SP2.)
In short, the problem is not with SP2, but with not-updated programs. And as a sidenote, there are very little programs which give problems. Of course, people love it to bash MS, so in no time the word gets spread that SP2 is crap. Well, newsflash, it isn't....
quote:Your school need to get its facts strait... So you're more happy to use a buggy system with many known security leaks instead of updating your system so all known leaks are fixed (even if it is for "6 weeks")????? tbh, that doesn't make any sense...
Originally posted by Chaotic_Shield
My school says that I shouldn't download SP2, and I say that I won't because I don't want to waste my time downloading something that is going to get bypasses in about 6 weeks anyways.
quote:Fixing things is NOT covering up problems. Also, as explained (and most logically) there IS a choice whether you want it or not...
Originally posted by DJeX
Not trying to be rude Caboose, but I just think SP2 is riddled with problems. But I do agree with you that It's good for Microsoft to start fixing there problems instead of covering them up but what makes me mad is now there is no choice in whether you want this or not.
quote:"DJeX's reply to Windows firewall [sp2]"
Originally posted by DJeX
quote:Ahh yea right.... Ermm can someone find my post awhile back, remember that one where I explained why it sucked so much. I'm not good at finding stuff on this forum can anyone help me out here.......
Originaly posted by:Caboose
I use SP2 and there's nothing wrong with it. It's a worthwhile upgrade.
I didn't posted to your posts before about this, but now I will as the subject is again shifted to is SP2 crap or not:
quote:Configure it properly!!! I'm constantly in wonder how it is that many people don't even know that everything should be configured. This goes for simply programs but also for big system(update)s.
Originally posted by DJeX
It's either slows your computer until it crashes, and or slows your internet
As you (hopefully) know, SP2 enables Data Execution Prevention by default. This is one of it's ways to ensure that n00bs (sorry for the bad word) will be protected to themselfs. This can indeed slow down your computer a bit and to disable this, again you need to configure it like anything else in the computer-world.
Wether or not Microsoft should have left this option like it was or enable it by default is another question, but they did it, like I said, to protect n00bs to themselfs. The other people should already know about this option and if not should be able to figure it out easly by exploring the new options. In the end, looking at and exploring the new options is something any decent computer user should do before using a piece of software.
If this was the only thing that people say about SP2, then maybe I'd agree with them and jump on the "let's say something bad about SP2"-wagon. But with all the other crap that's said about SP2, I'm very reluctant to "share" the bad words...
quote:See my comments in the first part of my post. Some programs can indeed have problems with SP2, but it is how it is: those programs have problems with SP2, not the other way around!! Update those programs properly (eg: the Norton/Symantec tools)...
Originally posted by DJeX
or in some cases it will disable or cause problems with your anti virus that has already been installed and was working fine before.
quote:NOT true. The firewall HAS been updated also! It is not just some configuration-wizard hat has been added.
Originally posted by DJeX
You don’t need SP2 to run the Windows firewall any way, the firewall comes with Windows XP. All’s you need to do is enable it. With SP2 it just gives you a nice little program to work it from.
quote:On a decent normal system it will work good also. And I emphasises: HEALTHY systems. If your system is crap (configured bad) to start with, of course it's going to give problems in the long run... But that isn't SP2's fault, that's your own fault...
Originally posted by DJeX
In my option SP2 is junk. The only way you may get it to work good is on new installations of Windows XP, that’s it! If SP2 is installed on a Windows that’s about a year old forget it, it will screw something up.
Of course I realize that when something bad CAN be said by Microsoft products that people are very stuborn and will rather believe those false rumours and make their own false conclussions instead of being logical and looking/investigating things for themselfs. Know about what you're talking about, and if not, don't believe anything bad strait away. Talking bad about such things is a international sport...
SP2 is NOT crap and should be installed by everyone who like to have bugs and leakes fixed.
Know what you're installing and explore the (new) options before jumping to conclussions (eg: the slow-down problem, saying that SP2 will be forced upon you, saying that IE should be fixed first while SP2 is half about fixing IE in the first place, the "6 weeks" example while SP2 is already out for half a year, etc... etc...)
RE: Microsoft Forces SP2 download by John Anderton on 03-03-2005 at 03:52 PM
quote:Germany is correct.
Originally posted by saralk
it doesnt take long to send, and it is shipped from Germany i think
* John Anderton confirms by looking at the order slip.
As Dz said in Sb thats one huge cookie post
