I have always had a problem with the handwriting plugins or handwriting part of msn.  They always cause my messages to drop randomly and it gets very annoying.  The handwriting plugin is part of the office suite and journal and I tried to remove it (wipstis) only to have it come back along with the handwriting part in msn 7 beta.  That is i followed the directions found on various sites to remove the wipstis.  It worked for some time along with msn 7's handwriting part being removed, but then it came back and so did the handwriting. 

I was wondering if there is a way to disable the handwriting thing in msn 7 at all.  because its largely unecessary and it causes my messages to drop.  Can anyone else confirm that wisptis, handwriting, causes your messages to drop?

Most people try uninstalling Messenger Plus, however this will not work since it will not delete the plugin, and the plugin will still be there after a re-install. So follow these steps instead:

1) Stop MSN Messenger completely, or make sure the plugin's DLL is not loaded.

2) Browse to:

    C:/Program FilesMessenger Plus! 3 Plugins
    (or replace C:/ with the drive you installed Windows on)

3) Delete MsnHandWriting.dll, or rename it to something not ending with .dll (eg. MsnHandWriting.bak)

4) Restart MSN Messenger, or reload your plugins.

[Instructions by: The Blasphemer]

can you tell I copied and pasted?

Actually, as that plugin isn't needed for MSN7, I don't think there is a way to remove the handwriting tab.

If you dont  have the inredists or windows jornal veiwer installed i think the tab wont be there

It would be a nice feature of Messenger Plus if there was an option to disable the tab or msn from loading the plugin in version 7.  I hated this plugin in 6 and had disabled it myself and now that it will load automatically in 7, well that just bothers me.  I can imagine all the people getting dropped messages when version 7 comes out.

You do realise that Handwriting has nothing to do with dropped messages?

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Originally posted by raceprouk
You do realise that Handwriting has nothing to do with dropped messages?

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Is there a way of reproducing this behaviour? If so, then you could put that info into a bug report and send it to MS.

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Originally posted by raceprouk
Is there a way of reproducing this behaviour? If so, then you could put that info into a bug report and send it to MS.

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I have actually encoutered this error quite often. When i had the plugin installed with Messenger Plus, quite often there would be a period where MSN would refuse to send any of my messages to my contacts and the error message "the message could not be delivered to your contact" would appear in the conversation window. I then stumbled across a thread on these forums (i think) where someone stated that they had the same problem and someone replied saying that it was due to the handwriting plugin and the only option was to uninstall it or ignore the error messages. Now with the Handwriting plugin for MSN 7 i have noticed i still receive the error messages now and again. I can't be sure that it is the plugin causing the errors, but it does seem like thats the case.

And if you're wanting to remove the handwriting Tab, if you are using the newest Beta of MSN. There is an option on the Messages Tab of the options window which allows you to show or hide tab.

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Originally posted by Abz2k4
There is an option on the Messages Tab of the options window which allows you to show or hide tab.

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It's the newest Beta of MSN 7 (0604) that has the feature to hide or show the handwriting Tab and i don't know about if it has any affect on the error messages or not as i have not tried disabling it. I didn't really see the point considering the errors don't come up so often now.

I got the handwriting from installing MS Journal Viewer, and it drops messages for me too. When I uninstalled it a month ago the messages also stopped disappearing (although the tab was still there). Now I have installed it again, and the problem is also back.

I think there might be a connection to msgplus, since one of my friends who has handwriting but not msgplus doesn't experience any problems. Does anyone who has this problem want to test the theory by uninstalling msgplus while keeping handwriting? (I can't do it because I can't live without the chat logs...)

So it's probably the Handwriting Enabler plugin, not handwriting itself.

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Originally posted by raceprouk
So it's probably the Handwriting Enabler plugin, not handwriting itself.

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Originally posted by raceprouk
So it's probably the Handwriting Enabler plugin, not handwriting itself.

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The plugin is only needed with MSN6. I have MSN7 without the plugin, and can use handwriting.

The plugin is not required for MSN Messenger 7.0 and above. By default, as long as you have the ink redistributables and Microsoft Windows Journal Viewer installed, the handwriting tab will be there.

Precisely.

The problem still occurs sans plugin.  So the problem is with the handwriting enabler, which is wisptis.exe.  OR So i think thats the problem.  Has anyone tried the new beta with journal installed and the tab hidden and not experienced any problems with dropepd messages?

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Originally posted by aznohoui
The problem still occurs sans plugin.  So the problem is with the handwriting enabler, which is wisptis.exe.  OR So i think thats the problem.  Has anyone tried the new beta with journal installed and the tab hidden and not experienced any problems with dropepd messages?

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Originally posted by Pellishau

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Originally posted by aznohoui
The problem still occurs sans plugin.  So the problem is with the handwriting enabler, which is wisptis.exe.  OR So i think thats the problem.  Has anyone tried the new beta with journal installed and the tab hidden and not experienced any problems with dropepd messages?

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I could try, if I could just find where to deactivate it.
My message tab only has:
Change font
Show emoticons
Show custom emoticons
Allow people to send me Nudges
Play winks automatically
Automatically keep a history..
Show my last conversation..
Save my conversations in this folder:

Does anyone want to try if msgplus is involved by uninstalling it while keeping handwriting?

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I killed wisptis.exe from the task manager when the messages started dropping, but it didn't help. Now the process isn't running, and I can't draw in the handwriting box, but the messages still drop...

All I can suggest is do not tamper with wisptis.exe. There is a reason why it is there. If you encounter problems, that's most likely because you tried to remove it. Handwriting is part of MSN Messenger 7 and can not be removed (it will not be visible if you don't have Ink Redist or Windows Journal Viewer installed though).

Also, bare in mind that if you use Windows Journal Viewer, or the bigger MS suites which have handwriting in it, that they also contain security flaws, for which there are updates.

For the record, if wisptis.exe is running here, I never had any problems on this clean, untampered and up to date Windows install.

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Originally posted by raceprouk
You do realise that Handwriting has nothing to do with dropped messages?

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Actually yeah it does.  That wisptis.exe which is part of the handwriting plugin does in fact cause dropped messages.  Go ahead chat with someone for several hours or a few minutes and you'll get that "message cannot be delivered" error.  Find the directions on how to uninstall wisptis.exe manually, and try again (notice that when you do this the handwriting tab is removed) and you will not get these errors.

As I stated earlier this error in beta 7 is a reoccurance of another problem I had with msn6 with the handwriting plugin installed.   Back then I had to do it manually to get it working.  I had the same problem back then, until I uninstalled the handwriting plugin and removed it from plus.  To prove the fact that it is in fact the handwriting that causes this and not some other alien factor.  I am running a brand new install of windows xp.  I bought a new hard drive and installed it, it is a clean installation of windows xp.  I can prove that If i were to use version 6 (which by default has no handwriting plugin) this error does not occur.

If anyone wants to experiment with this, go ahead, be my guest.  Until microsoft fixes their wisptis.exe (handwriting plugin) I would very much like an option to disable it with plus.

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Originally posted by riahc4
Um Ive had "Message cannot be delivered" even when the Handwriting plugin was not installed. I doubt it has anything to do with it.

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