Seems we are back in business after a short period of halt-iness . Let's resume where we left, at the drawing board.

Tweak Plus! is an add-on for an even greater add-on, Patchous Plus!. Tweak Plus! will tweak and tune Plus! to the fullest possible extent (that is, to the extent Patchou will allow us to).

Hope and all Patchou will support Tweak Plus! as being the tune program by standard . Let's all pray.

Now here is the part were u help us. Support anything that you think Plus! could use to improve it's usability or userfriendlyness.

What we have so far:
•   General tweaks (run at startup, startup priority force...)
•   Log tweaks (encryption, sorting and searching...)
Maybe even add Ginge's log viewer.

What we have so far on screen:
[edit] See my last post [/edit]

Greetz

looks pretty good, keep up good work

Cool

btw. one tweak I really don't want you to add is to change the logging date format, that would really complicate the log viewer (I know you know the key for this)

Any chance of seeing either some code or a copy of the program? I think everyone would be interested if you posted what you used to take the screen shots.

hahaha Ginge, and why not?

I just saw that the second option is to force Plus! to load before Messenger.... I wanted to add that to the next release so, tell me, how did you do?

Currently the date format is complicated but I can say with certainty which date corresponds to which text.

If you allow the formatting people will be able to have
01/02/03
for
1 Feb 2003
2 Jan 2003
1 Mar 2002
3 Jan 2002
2 Mar 2001
3 Feb 2001

Which is really hard to figure out (currently I use the assumption that dates are in incrementing series and the date format changes infrequently, but that doesn't make it easy)

I really think you should adopt the international standard
yyyy/mm/dd date format, and just tell your users to be happy - but I prefer the dictatorship approach to software engineering

Something nice and tweaky perhaps summit to allow you to change the boss protection icon

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Originally posted by wabz
Something nice and tweaky perhaps summit to allow you to change the boss protection icon

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to load plus before messenger? i'm not a coding expert, but i figure it would go:
check registry if msn autostart is enabled
if it is, get the filename of msn
check if msn is running, if so close it
load msgplus
load msn

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one tweak I really don't want you to add is to change the logging date format.

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Any chance of seeing either some code or a copy of the program? I think everyone would be interested if you posted what you used to take the screen shots.

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I just saw that the second option is to force Plus! to load before Messenger.... I wanted to add that to the next release so, tell me, how did you do?

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Something nice and tweaky perhaps summit to allow you to change the boss protection icon.

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BTW, the bottom tag on both screens is wrong and should say:

"Created in VB6 on Windows 2k"

Greetz

Okay, I'm pretty ready to release a stable alpha of Tweak Plus within the next couple of days. Remember, this is merely a test to see if it runs on all systems, on the feature side, nothing much has been added. I hope u understand my point.

Features that HAVE been added and work (at least on 2k/MSN5 and XP/WMSN).
* general options (force on startup and some execution tweaks)
* log utilities (organize all logs and rename folders (add year))
* export/import settings to and from .ini files
* a 24-bit color picker/setter

I disabled the "Prevent Plus from running on startup" option for now, on Patchous request and I might enable chat log encryption (basic).

Comments and flames are welcome as soon as the link is up.

On the side, I sincerely hope Patchou will support Tweak Plus! to the extent he can.

Greetz

Thanks for the startup option... also, you may know that the latest versions of MsgPlus already ensure that Plus! always starts before Messenger... there is an option to disable it (it's enabled by default) so maybe you'll just want to map your option with my setting and let MsgPlus do the job .

Apaprt from that, I must say that I'm really counting on Tweak Plus! and I'll comepltly support it.... there is many many registry settings that are there and that nobody knows currently. I'm counting on this software to use them.

Patchou.

good for you whiteshark

cool program, and i think it will be the ideal companion to msgplus, you just have to add all the registry tweaks that will be in the website probably

btw nice gui design

*coder's heaven...*


*drool drool*

me very likes program
and indeed, there are loads of reg settings [just sniffed through the registry ]

Anyway, While you're at it, maybe you could make an option to export the registry settings [so ppl won't have to go through the registry...], and, of course, you would have to give the email adress you would like to export the settings of and yadda yadda...

Maybe a TweakPlus! Suggestiosn thread or something?

just a suggestion..

Pfew, almost done! I've managed to pump an (private) alpha with some of the basic features, just to make sure it'll run on almost every Windows platform. Meaning I'll release a first stable version soon to some people, who will verify it runs on their system. Once I know it does, I'll release it to the public so u can all report the awful bugs I spilled

Meanwhile, here are some screens to feast ur eyes, they show all the features that are currently added.
Welcome screen
Browse screen
Intro screen (new look)
General tweaks screen (new look)
Appearance tweaks screen (new look)

Have fun, and expect to get an email soon!

BTW, once a first stable version is comfirmed, it will be a lot easier to add features AND I'm having some trouble with creating my own installer, so the basic VB (yuck) installer will be used f/n.

Greetz

Hehehe i like to be an alfa tester for you .. but then again you probelby already selected people. and who doesn't want to be

2nd time i'm to late to be a alfa tester hehehe

But WS great job i think i'm going to like it

Actually I had only a few people in mind. So anyone who likes to be an alpha tester (to a certain extent off course), just PM me or send me an old fashioned email.

Greetz

push Plus! to it's fullest extent... what do you mean by that exactly... like what are you gonna do to improve plus?? instead of adding the things you said...

It is actually an expression by which I mean, I'm going to add the features Patchou added to Plus but hided from the audience, plus some general tweaks. Like all programmers, Patchou can't add all options just in one dialog, or fit all settings in one tab, so he used registry keys and possibly other tricks to still be able to implement those features, which I'm going to add to Tweak Plus.

Hope that answers ur question.

Greetz

If you release the source code under the GPL (open source + other stuff), I am happy for you to use my installer that I wrote for BetterMSN.

And I am happy to use ur installer ginge. So yeah everyone, as soon as I figure out I'm done, I'll release the source code of Tweak Plus under the GPL license, so if u decide to code a new Tweak Plus, remember to release the source to the public (lol).

Greetz

the colour changing thing doesnt use msgplus tags, right? then, will it work with messenger 4.x AND 5?

The color picker was originally added to support only Messenger, all it does is change a registry switch so it is fully compatible with both versions (I dunno about any versions below 4.xx).

Greetz

I managed to wrap up a neat little installer just in time, but if ginge allows me, I'm still going to use his one in the end, mine's just a quick temporary solution. I'm releasing the private alpha this weekend, I'm finishing the tweaks themselves, UI is done.

Final note: wiii .

Final noterer: Anyone who still wants to be an alfa-tester, I don't care what system-specs u have. If u think u got what it takes, then send me an e-mail, PM, SMS, newsletter, mailbomb, pigeon, airmail, fast car.. I only wish to have as many different platforms to test as possible. Please, participate if u can and will.

1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5

Greetz

Of course you can use my installer, because Tweak Plus! is going to be GPL.

I sent you a copy but it bounced, IM me when you next see me online, and I'll send you a copy.

PS Put me down as an alpha tester, just in case my pigeon doesn't make it.

Haha, thx a lot ginge. And also, thx to all the people who so far offered to dedicate their lives to alpha-testing Tweak Plus! (Oh, did I forgot to mention that, oh well). Neway, I'm still hiring new people, so if u would like to join...

Sorry for spamming this thread WDZ .

Greetz

I want to alpha test it

Count me in!

Yeah count me in the forum with it coz it's gonna be good

Kapeesh

I could be Alpha Tester if ya need neone else...

I have rounded up enough beta-testers in my honest opinion, so I'll be finishing up a copy and sending it to each and everyone of you at the end of this weekend (my social life has a higher prior).

Beta-testers (outsiders): Bugz, Hova, Johnny_Mac, Simple me, Freeze, DaneSmith, Chrono, Swaptor, wabs, canadian_guy, SoM, Jeronimo and ginge

Greetz

When we gonna start then I'm all ready to test here

Kapeesh

I'm terribly sorry everyone.

Read http://shoutbox.menthix.net/showthread.php?tid=4669&page=5

Greetz

I put up a quick site to keep you all on your toes (I dunno if this expression works, but neway). I had something similar a few years back, so it took me 3 minutes.

http://users.pandora.be/dempro-stf/tweak_plus/

Enjoy!

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http://users.pandora.be/dempro-stf/tweak_plus/

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Good job on the alpha, i found no bugs yet

i can't wait 'till you're finished with Tweak Plus!

will it be a different program, or will it be "in" the, the same way as Plus! is "inside" of MSN Messenger??

Different program that tweaks Plus!.
In in the way that if you don't have Plus! you don't want Tweak Plus!
Out in the way it isn't integrated with Plus!, and is run separately.

ok, thanks

What wil be the release date... what you think ??

because the pics look great,

i'll be the first .. infront of the supahmarket.. when it will be released

fgfg "Just trying out this thing... sorry"

Thanks White[shark] got the alpha will begin testing tonight on it

Ciao

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Originally posted by wabz
Thanks White[shark] got the alpha will begin testing tonight on it

Ciao

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Hey people! there is already another Tweak Plus! on Mess.be, from MSNFanatic... but.. which of those Tweaks will be the official one for?? or is there no official Tweak??

it don't work

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Thanks White[shark] got the alpha will begin testing tonight on it

Ciao

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Apolgies I was in a rush and didnt check like i normally would

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Uhmmm... another tweak plus!

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it don't work

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I don't care about any other tweak software, in this business everyone is free to choose what they develop and for what they develop it. I started this project because of my interest in Patchou's software and because I like to experiment with coding techniques. If people use the other software that's find by me, I don't expect hundreds of people to download it anyway.

But, the author of that software did not add any additional tweaks and IMHO its layout is nothing near user-friendly.

Download as you like, consumers are as free as producers.

[edit] None of these ulities are official, but Patchou has told me (in a public post) he will support Tweak Plus! (mine), thats all I needed to hear. [/edit]

Greetz

Hey guys, you should read the readme in that tweaker I quickly made.

It clearly states that its just a quick project for people that want to mess with the hidden reg settings that were posted (only those), before the official tweaker is launched.

So there actually is no problem. And baby that gui you are making is sexy

Ok, [white]shark, than i won't download any sht and wait until you make *your* Plus! Tweak

i can't get plus working because i can't find my PROPLUS.MSI for front page, why does it have to use front page?

Great work It works fine under my architecture I dont know where we're supposed to post these things any sugguestions

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I can't get plus working because it can't find my PROPLUS.MSI for front page, why does it have to use front page?

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Superb thanks alot white shark

Ok....As for the GUI Based OS Test, it works [white]shark.  I have not found 1 bug for you!

(Also, See my PM)

Yeah who taught you to code that way then [white] shark

is dis Tweak Plus! gonna be out soon? if not when?

First off, thanks to the people who took the time to report so far. And I do not put a release date on Tweak Plus. Three reasons to support that phrase. One, good programmers make bad PR, so the date they have in mind will almost never be the date their program sees daylight. Two, I'm in the middle of a heavy examination period and three, this is an alpha and I have yet to figure out what extras to add and how to implement those.

Greetz

Works great in Win2K...No Bugs found *yet* hehe...See my PM Shark...

[white]shark, i'd like to say tweakPlus! works fine under winME so far, and no bugz discovered...

see PM with explanation...

dus ne1 kno wen tweak plus will b out by?

It might take a while before it goes public, i wouldn't dare to give u a date as i am very unsure of it myself.
It all depends on the creator [white]-shark and i haven't heard from him in a few days, so...
Just be patient my friend.

I wanna know if theres any more alphas or what I aint seen [white] shark round these parts for a while

I spoke to him yesterday on MSN I think, basically he's going to have it done as soon as its ready, but no sooner. I don't think there are likely to be a lot of Alpha/Beta's, the first one was mainly a platform test, and seems to have succeeded.

People seem to be thinking I'm dead or waisted. If you have to called it anything, call it calm before the storm, since my exams are ready to popup any time soon. Don't expect any updates until I finish what I have to do for school or any other social event. I'm glad the platform test succeeded for any platform it was tested on (altho there was a problem with some installers). So once I'm ready to code again, I'll just release the program right away, I don't expect there to be big problems neway.

Greetz

PS. Ginge, I don't remember talking to anyone lately, must be a mix of study-stress and bad alcohol .

Well maybe I didn't talk to you, its so hard when everyone has a Plus! forum name, a MSN username and an email address to keep them in track.

Once you have the Ginge Installer setup and working you should lose the installer problems, so that will be nice.

But yo, [white]shark, when will you eproximatly be ready? from what you're sayin' i can understand that it won't happen next week or so, but...

what do you just think?

1 month? shorter? longer? how shorter? how longer? PLEASE say!!!!

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But yo, [white]shark, when will you eproximatly be ready? from what you're sayin' i can understand that it won't happen next week or so, but...

what do you just think?

1 month? shorter? longer? how shorter? how longer? PLEASE say!!!!

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yeah, i do.. 7th of November, right?

yeah, i know... but than it was eproximatly good... like +/- 1/2 months... now we know nothin' at all..

  i think it's gonne be good when it comes out

problem is bettermsn doesnt work with msn version 5.0 I tried it said i had to downgrade to msn version 4.7 or lower. Why is that???

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problem is bettermsn doesnt work...

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I think it would be cool if you could have like custom messages for when u send like instead of it saying (name) wants to send this file Accept Decline

u could make it say like "Hey heres the file that u wanted Accept Decline" that would be neat

That is a very nice suggestion, but unfortunatly, although possible, no feature such as that can be added to Tweak!

Try to propose it to Patchou.

Greetz

It is possible I seen it done before just cant remember where??

i have a solution.
on installation make the software rename the msn messenger exe file to something else. then have it put the loader with the original msn messenger file name which simply:
runs plus
runs msn messenger
ends

what do you mean?

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Originally posted by kooby
i have a solution.
on installation make the software rename the msn messenger exe file to something else. then have it put the loader with the original msn messenger file name which simply:
runs plus
runs msn messenger
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ne developments with tweak plus, cos it sounds like a rlly gd progrram, nd im dying 2 get it

I've taken up development on Tweak Plus if that's even the right choice of words . There is no real news atm, but no news is good news right (who am I kidding)?

Neways, expect an update soon, and er, some fun extras too.

BTW ginge, if you are interested, there is at least one sure way to find out (programmatically) if you are being blocked, you probably know it too, but let's discuss it anyway. Meet u on msn.

Greetz and enjoy.

come on when will tweak plus be ready

* Wabz aint heard anything for ages sincehe got an alpha

I'm excited now

Is this project dead? guess so

me too....

we rlly want this program, wher is it lol, its the summer hols, thers lots of tiem 2 release it in

Guess it took them so long that they'll have to input some new features now

Hey whats happend shark?...

-CoReDooM

The "Tweak Plus" virus has got him.
Everyone who works on the project disappears.
Maybe they saw the video tape...

LOL

¬ ¬ the virus is spreading ¬ ¬