Messenger Plus! POP3 Gmail Limitations - Printable Version -Shoutbox (https://shoutbox.menthix.net) +-- Forum: MsgHelp Archive (/forumdisplay.php?fid=58) +--- Forum: Messenger Plus! for Live Messenger (/forumdisplay.php?fid=4) +---- Forum: WLM Plus! Help (/forumdisplay.php?fid=12) +----- Thread: Messenger Plus! POP3 Gmail Limitations (/showthread.php?tid=40394) Messenger Plus! POP3 Gmail Limitations by CookieRevised on 03-17-2005 at 08:34 PM
Messenger Plus! POP3 Gmail Limitations Everyone’s probably thinking that there is a problem with Plus’s new SSL pop3 feature and Gmail, which Patchou previously stated would be compatible with MsgPlus! 3.50+. However be aware that it is not a bug or problem with Plus! at all, in fact it's how Gmail itself handles the pop3 protocol. Plus! connects to Gmail using the pop3 protocol and requests the total amount of new messages in your account – which due to the new SSL (Secure Socket Layer) is now possible. However due to the way Gmail stores emails (using labels instead of folders and “threading” sent & received messages together), it will not return the correct number of new emails when Plus! checks for it. Gmail will instead return the total number of emails received, including ones read, and also emails that you have sent. Over time this will compound with Plus! constantly reporting a higher and higher number of 'new' emails. So, you'll know when you'll get new emails, you'll just don't know how many. Changing your pop3 settings in Gmail (For example: to “Archive when read”) will only fix the problem partially due to the fact that Plus! sticks to the pop3 protocol and only requests the number of new emails from Gmail, it does not read nor delete the emails. Seeing as this is not an error in Plus's SSL pop3 feature this will not be corrected directly in Messenger Plus!. Sorry for this inconvenience . Let us hope Google will fix their pop3 feature in the near future and abide by the standards of the pop3 protocol. Thank you and we all hope you enjoy Messenger Plus! -- This same information, including pictures and step-by-step instructions on how to set up pop3 in Messenger Plus!3, can be found in the Messenger Plus! Tutorials section on the help pages, specifically here. Also notice the section "Why does Plus! has problems with Gmail?" in the tutorials. -- All this goes for both Messenger Plus!3 as for Messenger Plus! Live. -- More Updates will be made to this thread when more information is available. Text based on Chestah's second draft. Credits go to him. RE: MsgPlus! 3.50 Pop3 Gmail Limitations by qkslvr221 on 03-18-2005 at 03:32 AM
I think i found a fix for this, I went to Forwarding and POP settings in my gmail acct. and set the option to "Enable POP only for mail that arrives from now on" RE: MsgPlus! 3.50 Pop3 Gmail Limitations by CookieRevised on 03-18-2005 at 04:34 AM The only difference between "from now on" and "all" is that previous posts will not be counted. As soon as you start sending mail and recieving mail, the same 'bug' will appear, can you confirm that? RE: RE: MsgPlus! 3.50 Pop3 Gmail Limitations by Leif on 03-18-2005 at 07:36 AM
quote:Well, I certainly can confirm that! *Sigh* RE: MsgPlus! 3.50 Pop3 Gmail Limitations by Chestah on 03-18-2005 at 07:46 AM
yep there is no way to fix this problem unless Gmail itself change how they use the pop3 protocol , you actually can determine how many new emails you have if you have remembered the last number that plus reported . Just a simple maths problem of: code: This will tell you how many are new just remember that after you send an email plus will add one to the amount of new emails you have recieved . If you really could be bothered , when the number gets too high, you can go into gmail's pop3 settings page and then set gmail to ""Enable POP only for mail that arrives from now on" which will reset the amount of new emails plus reports back down to 0 until you send or recieve an email Thanks Cookie RE: MsgPlus! 3.50 Pop3 Gmail Limitations by Metaphis on 03-18-2005 at 01:48 PM Couldn't a plugin use the Gmail API to access gmail account instead of using POP3? that way the problem could be fixed without requiring google to do there modifications (wich could take a while) RE: MsgPlus! 3.50 Pop3 Gmail Limitations by Sunshine on 03-18-2005 at 01:54 PM The only thing you can do to fix a lil bit of it is to label and archive the e-mails in the inbox. However sent mail is counted aswell (Gmail seems to have coded that same as inbox) and there is no way you can archive sent mail (i tried). Only way to fix that is like Chestah said...enable pop3 in Gmail again fresh. RE: MsgPlus! 3.50 Pop3 Gmail Limitations by CookieRevised on 03-18-2005 at 03:44 PM
The whole problem is that Gmail doesn't stick to the POP3 specifications! A true POP3 account is not meant to be used as an online storage, that's what IMAP (web mail) is for. Either way, both POP3 and IMAP specification are very clear and should be followed to the letter. If not, a new protocol should be made, just like MS did for their Hotmail mails. 'Raping' an existing protocol like that is never a good idea and will make programs useless and people think they are buggy. RE: MsgPlus! 3.50 Pop3 Gmail Limitations by eltipito on 03-18-2005 at 06:11 PM
i had de same problem but without gmail, with @argentina.com!.... RE: MsgPlus! 3.50 Pop3 Gmail Limitations by Chestah on 03-19-2005 at 02:37 AM
quote: Yes, someone could make a Plus! plugin that does this and doesn't even use the SSL POP3 feature and just parses the gmail page like gmail checker and other programs do . I queried TheBlasphemer (Plus! Plugin maker - StuffplugNG) about this but he said he wouldn't . RE: MsgPlus! 3.50 Pop3 Gmail Limitations by CookieRevised on 03-19-2005 at 02:53 AM
quote:That doesn't nessecairly mean it is the same fault. Can you test if sent mails are also counted? If this isn't the case then that is a common thing which some POP3 hosts do (many of which also support webmail). Instead of returning the number of unread mails, they return the number of all mails in the inbox (sent mails aren't counted). But, again this is a bad implementation of the POP3 standard, but a very common one. The only solution is to disable "leave mails on server" in your POP3 client program (as it should be anyways, because the purpose of a POP3 mail is that you download your mails to your computer (and delete them from the server) before you read them). quote:That still would require SSL, only this time it is handled by your browser. RE: MsgPlus! 3.50 Pop3 Gmail Limitations by Chestah on 03-19-2005 at 03:06 AM
quote: of course! Some temporary alternatives until/or if a Plus! Plugin is created are: Gmail Notifier - Google's official Gmail Notifier GTray - Gtray is a very fast unofficial notifier program that uses very low amount of resources - I used to be a moderator at the forum for this application but then ran out of time to help in its development! Gmail Notifier for Firefox - Unofficial Gmail Notifier that notifies you when you are using firefox! G-Notifier -Open source unofficial Gmail notifier! Shows you some of the recieved messages so you can decided which you want to read! EDIT: cookie you might wanna put some of these in your first post RE: MsgPlus! 3.50 Pop3 Gmail Limitations by KennyERJ on 03-19-2005 at 02:00 PM
Mine does the same thing with my Earthlink email account. It started out showing 15 new emails when there were none and now 6 days later it is showing 28 new emails when there are none. One thing I wanted to say about Gmail too, is that they have a G-Notifier that works great with Gmail. It sits in your system tray and besides just telling you how many new emails you have, it actually gives you a little preview of the new email that have come in so you can decide if it's something worth checking. RE: MsgPlus! 3.50 Pop3 Gmail Limitations by zipmegabyte on 03-19-2005 at 04:57 PM Isn't there a way to check email through Gmail RSS feed capabilities? RE: MsgPlus! 3.50 Pop3 Gmail Limitations by Chestah on 03-19-2005 at 09:06 PM
quote: Yes, i believe that is possible, and i actually think their is a RSS plugin for msgplus out there somewhere, i'll go and check for you and see if i can find it EDIT: thankyou KennyERJ your suggestion has been added RE: MsgPlus! 3.50 Pop3 Gmail Limitations by Sunshine on 03-19-2005 at 09:46 PM
There already is a thread with Gmail notifiers (and other Gmail stuff) Check out this post. RE: MsgPlus! 3.50 Pop3 Gmail Limitations by JMMB on 03-26-2005 at 09:01 PM
I've been having the same problems with gmail only I've tried everything in this thread and it still tells me I have five e-mails every time, even now that I've permanently deleted every last one and tried multiple different combinations of settings. My messenger keeps telling windows that I have five unread messages, so that shows up on the XP welcome/login screen and it won't go away! I've tried everything I can think of can anyone help me?! RE: MsgPlus! 3.50 Pop3 Gmail Limitations by Ricey on 03-27-2005 at 11:24 AM
So basically, Patchou lied to us all when he said messenger plus would be compatible with gmail RE: RE: MsgPlus! 3.50 Pop3 Gmail Limitations by blackjack on 03-27-2005 at 11:29 AM
quote: No he did not lie.. read the whole thread please RE: MsgPlus! 3.50 Pop3 Gmail Limitations by CookieRevised on 03-29-2005 at 12:52 AM
quote:This has most likely nothing to do with GMail nor with Messenger Plus!, but rather with your Windows itself. Take a look at my old post "CookieRevised's reply to email glitching" (windows issues)... RE: RE: MsgPlus! 3.50 Pop3 Gmail Limitations by rav0 on 04-09-2005 at 12:20 AM
quote: The unread email count will go away after a while. The default expiry is 14 days. quote: Patchou said Messenger Plus! would work with Gmail now because it would support SSL with POP3, which it does. Problem is, Gmail doesn't only tell Plus! about unread emails. quote: This is a Gmail limitation, Messenger Plus! is doing all it should, quoting information given by Gmail. RE: MsgPlus! 3.50 Pop3 Gmail Limitations by Chestah on 04-09-2005 at 12:22 AM Exactly, if you need anymore information PM me with your email and i'll explain it to you there. I investigated this feature before the launch of the latest plus and i can tell you everything you'd want to know RE: MsgPlus! 3.50 Pop3 Gmail Limitations by MeEtc on 04-12-2005 at 08:50 PM
Although it has nothing do do with Plus! Those of you who want to know when they get mail from Gmail can use Google's notifier instead of MSN. It places an icon of an envelope in the system tray. Notificatoins are sent with a slide up message, and the envelope gains a blue border when new mail arrives. More info can be obtained from Gmail's RE: MsgPlus! 3.50 Pop3 Gmail Limitations by yonki on 04-12-2005 at 09:29 PM
You say its gmails fault. Then why does it work properly with all these other programs? quote:I think it can be done (impossible is nothing ). If you make it work properly youll have a better msgplus, if you dont you can keep blaming gmail but msgplus users will be lacking that feature. RE: MsgPlus! 3.50 Pop3 Gmail Limitations by rav0 on 04-13-2005 at 03:37 AM
It works properly with all those other programs because all of those other programs are fully-fledged POP3 email clients. They download all mail out of your Gmail account, and create a local copy on your computer, which is presented to you for you to read and manage/delete. Normally, with POP3 mail, once a client downloads messages, it deletes from the server. Gmail won't let the client do this, but you can set Gmail to take an action with downloaded messages. You then read them in the client, you delete them from the client, or the client marks the local copy as read. RE: MsgPlus! 3.50 Pop3 Gmail Limitations by Chestah on 04-13-2005 at 03:43 AM
If outlook and those other programs just checked your email they would come up with the same number as Plus! Except the way in which your using outlook (& etc) is to read and download the messages. RE: MsgPlus! 3.5 Pop3 Gmail Limitations by XinanZhang™ on 04-16-2005 at 04:42 AM
Ok thanks for the news. RE: MsgPlus! 3.5 Pop3 Gmail Limitations by rav0 on 04-16-2005 at 05:19 AM
It seems that we can't read properly. RE: MsgPlus! 3.5 Pop3 Gmail Limitations by Chestah on 04-16-2005 at 06:58 AM Yep, but it should be total of the inbox and notify you with new emails . Thats why theres limitations with gmail RE: MsgPlus! 3.5 Pop3 Gmail Limitations by Ben Dummett on 04-24-2005 at 01:43 AM
quote: Well I guess gmail is still in beta, so there is hope yet! RE: MsgPlus! 3.5 Pop3 Gmail Limitations by Chestah on 06-03-2005 at 09:49 AM I doubt they'll fix it but we can hope i guess RE: MsgPlus! 3.5 Pop3 Gmail Limitations by axemaster9 on 06-08-2005 at 07:04 AM
sorry if this is stupid... first time poster and all... RE: MsgPlus! 3.5 Pop3 Gmail Limitations by rav0 on 06-13-2005 at 09:24 AM Maybe, but Gmail is pretty secure, and uses XML-RPC to download pages, so you might have to resort to mouse macros to control a browser window to do it. You could always ask someone in Tech Talk, or at msnfanatic. RE: MsgPlus! 3.5 Pop3 Gmail Limitations by saralk on 07-30-2005 at 02:14 PM
quote: it is possibly i guess, to do it. But if Patchou adds a way for people to get around the Gmail problem, then other people who might have another problem with a different e-mail server will then ask for it to be fixed and use the argument that "Patchou fixed the gmail problem, why can't he fix this one?". Furthermore, if you do this, then you are appeasing google, and sending out the message that it is ok not to follow protocols because everyone else will work around your misinterpritation of the protocols. RE: MsgPlus! 3.5 Pop3 Gmail Limitations by Chestah on 09-19-2005 at 06:04 AM
quote: Yep Saralk has it completely correct , this is why we made this thread in the first place, as when Msgplus 3.5 was released it was around the time of the big Gmail craze where it seemed everyone had and wanted gmail. If patchou codes in a feature for gmail then every other email system that does not follow the correct protocols of POP3 will be requested bloating Msgplus! Features like these are left to Plugin Makers EDIT: Thanks Chris for changing the title of this thread, note with the immient release of Msgplus 3.6 this limitation will affect it as well as 3.5 and most likely all future versions. RE: MsgPlus! Pop3 Gmail Limitations by Tom1807 on 09-27-2005 at 06:47 AM
And what about implementing something similar like RSS. I know it sounds maybe silly, but with Opera I can check the emails by RSS feed. So maybe something similar can be implemented. RE: MsgPlus! Pop3 Gmail Limitations by ddunk on 09-27-2005 at 06:49 AM
quote: There's already a plugin for that. See RssPlug Beta 0.3 RE: MsgPlus! Pop3 Gmail Limitations by BigTrev on 09-27-2005 at 07:11 AM
What about if you just make as new gmail account just for plus. Than have your other one forward the mail, then as soon as you read i delete it from the 2nd account as you will have it in your normal account. RE: MsgPlus! Pop3 Gmail Limitations by Chestah on 09-27-2005 at 08:12 AM hmm, actually i think that will work. Try it out and please post back here if it works RE: MsgPlus! Pop3 Gmail Limitations by soul4arg on 12-24-2005 at 05:01 PM I try all the settings, but my msgplus can't detect anyways. It just can't detect from pop3. RE: MsgPlus! Pop3 Gmail Limitations by CookieRevised on 12-24-2005 at 09:28 PM
quote:It does detect stuff from pop3. Hence it is a pop3 checker! The thing is, GMail is NOT pop3, despite what they say it is. Please read the first post in this thread. RE: MsgPlus! Pop3 Gmail Limitations by -TheKing- on 06-23-2006 at 09:19 AM
Actually, I never seem to have that issue and I used the POP3 feature in Messenger Plus! to check my e-mail. RE: MsgPlus! Pop3 Gmail Limitations by DamianWarS on 06-26-2006 at 09:23 AM
the gmail limitation doesn't bother me.... i can do math and remember the last number of emails gmail had... but i seem to have reached a max limit or something. i'm all about google’s philosophy with "never delete an email again" they have good search tools so why not. so i have about a 1000 or so emails but plus says i have 445 and it has said that for a few months now. i just disabled the feature because its pretty useless for me and I don’t care enough to reset the count all the time. RE: MsgPlus! Pop3 Gmail Limitations by SerGuMa on 06-26-2006 at 10:55 AM I've never had any problem with the gmail mail notification, it always says the exact amount I have, then when I download them using outlook it turns back to 0, as it should be. RE: MsgPlus! Pop3 Gmail Limitations by Chestah on 06-26-2006 at 09:13 PM
quote: Do you delete your emails or achive them? RE: RE: MsgPlus! Pop3 Gmail Limitations by SerGuMa on 06-26-2006 at 11:35 PM
quote: archive them ^^ RE: MsgPlus! Pop3 Gmail Limitations by DamianWarS on 06-28-2006 at 05:16 AM
quote:i downloaded all my emails using outlook leaving the emails also on gmail but achived. When outlook was downloading them it said i had 445 but it downloaded about 2000. Once it was finsihed msgplus said i had 0 emails so it reset the counter. The number must the be the amount of undownloaded emails not unread emails and it must max out at 445. Once you download them the number is reset. If you think about it Outlook or anyother mail client needs to somehow know what to download instead of getting them all each time so it would have to work this way. So the number it returns to msgplus (or a mail client) is more of the amount of emails it needs to synchronize than it is unread emails. So if you think of the number this way both msgplus and gmail work fine. perhaps a less confusing toast message would be "235 unsynchronized emails" But there's no point bending over for google. A script is more suited for a work around to this. RE: MsgPlus! Pop3 Gmail Limitations by Chestah on 06-28-2006 at 06:19 AM
quote: Agreed, i'll look into making something like this upcoming holidays. RE: MsgPlus! Pop3 Gmail Limitations by SerGuMa on 06-28-2006 at 09:49 AM Yep, that's true, when you download mails from gmail it downloads the recieved and the sent ones |