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Tiny bug by ViVa on 04-12-2005 at 10:34 AM

Hey all,

Since this is my first post to the Messenger Plus! Forums, I'm not sure if this already has been mentioned before. I'm wondering why the version numbers of the (!VER) command are still shown wrongly.

quote:
Windows Version: Windows XP, 5.01.2600
Messenger Client Version: 7.0.0777
Messenger Plus! Version: 3.51.0128

Windows XP IS in fact 5.1.2600, and both the webpage and the About menu of Messenger Plus! show me 3.51.128. In both cases an additional 0 is added in between... Will this be fixed?

Regards,

ViVa
RE: Tiny bug by ViVa on 04-12-2005 at 10:59 AM

No they absolutely don't, what makes you think that? Can you show me any proof of that? I don't think you can, because I double checked. This is a bug.

.edit, don't make me go make screenshots to proof I'm right. :^)


RE: Tiny bug by x2zen on 04-12-2005 at 11:30 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Calvin
but isn't it possible that programs have this number, but dont show it as it is unecassary when you look at the version
Just like when you look the "About" screen in Plus! the version number is 3.51.128 but the version number in MsgPlus.exe is 3.51.0.128.

So, Calvin is right, this isnt exactly a bug
RE: Tiny bug by Sypher on 04-12-2005 at 11:49 AM

If you go to Start -> Run and you type "cmd" and press run you'll see:

Microsoft Windows XP [versie 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

So, if even Microsoft calls it that way.. ? :)


RE: Tiny bug by ViVa on 04-12-2005 at 12:06 PM

Sorry if I were rude, that wasn't my intention.

The thing Sypher says, I think my point has been made about that, Windows XP IS in fact NT 5.1. Secondly, the About menu of Messenger Plus! AND the webpage tell me 3.51.128. A. Madsen, that additional 0 is common for an .exe file, I don't know why that is, maybe the same thing what's causing the zeros in (!VER). *-)


RE: Tiny bug by x2zen on 04-12-2005 at 12:11 PM

quote:
Originally posted by ViVa
A. Madsen, that additional 0 is common for an .exe file, I don't know why that is, maybe the same thing what's causing the zeros in (!VER).
I know its common, and thats my point.
The 0 is not present in the visual part of Plus! but its there when you look "inside", its the same thing with Windows
RE: RE: Tiny bug by ViVa on 04-12-2005 at 12:36 PM

quote:
Originally posted by A. Madsen
quote:
Originally posted by ViVa
A. Madsen, that additional 0 is common for an .exe file, I don't know why that is, maybe the same thing what's causing the zeros in (!VER).
I know its common, and thats my point.
The 0 is not present in the visual part of Plus! but its there when you look "inside", its the same thing with Windows


Before we go any further, you agree on the Windows cmd part, the Messenger Plus! About part and the Messenger Plus! webpage part (where patchou himself named its release without the 0)?

I'm just wondering why (!VER) does show the additional zeros, and you could discuss about the 0 in 3.51.0.128, but the first 0 in 5.01.2600 is very wrong.
RE: Tiny bug by ViVa on 04-12-2005 at 01:15 PM

5.01.2600 IS NOT the true version number of Windows XP!


RE: Tiny bug by Pyroteq on 04-12-2005 at 01:19 PM

who really cares its just an extra 0, its meaningless.


RE: Tiny bug by ViVa on 04-12-2005 at 01:46 PM

Yes you are right, zero's are meaningless. So basically Windows XP is version 5.1.26 of NT and not 5.1.2600. |-)

But to make a long story short, Patchou will you fix this matter?


RE: Tiny bug by L. Coyote on 04-12-2005 at 06:38 PM

quote:
Originally posted by ViVa
Yes you are right, zero's are meaningless. So basically Windows XP is version 5.1.26 of NT and not 5.1.2600. |-)
You don't know math.

Of course, 2600 is diferent from 26.

But the 0s that are not important are the front ones.

01 = 1

26 <> 2600

Simple math.

Programs make their versions look "good" by taking off the front 0's. The true version has front 0's. (!VER) shows true versions.

Thus, this is no bug. (Y)
RE: Tiny bug by _Humphreys on 04-12-2005 at 06:41 PM

ViVa please don't double post.

About the extra '0' I guess Patchou didn't think it was needed due to the fact that it is kinda meaningless like people say. Even Mircosoft skip the '0' sometimes so I guess it is meaningless.


RE: Tiny bug by Millenium_edition on 04-12-2005 at 06:44 PM

@ this whole thread...
version numbers aren't treated the same way as maths are... 5.01 is NOT 5.1...



But i think this information is gotten from the registry or from a win32 API call.. which means this bug might *not* be related to plus (i'm not sure though.)


RE: Tiny bug by spokes on 04-12-2005 at 06:47 PM

yea, think of version numbers as decimals,

as ME sed
5.1 is 5.10
but not 5.01


RE: RE: Tiny bug by ViVa on 04-12-2005 at 06:49 PM

@ Leo, I don't know math? :') I was being sarcastic to Scone in case you didn't notice.

@ Milennium_edition, finally someone who understands my point. No, it might not be a Messenger Plus! bug, but still I think Patchou should change it to 5.1.2600 :P

@ spokes, DOH! Explain it to these ppl, not to me! :)


RE: Tiny bug by Millenium_edition on 04-12-2005 at 06:57 PM

quote:
Originally posted by spokes
yea, think of version numbers as decimals,

as ME sed
5.1 is 5.10
but not 5.01
ironically, it is NOT.
version numbers are unique, wether there's a zero in front of it or not, a zero behind it or not.

which means
5.01 is not 5.1 and is not 5.10.
RE: Tiny bug by spokes on 04-12-2005 at 06:59 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Millenium_edition
quote:
Originally posted by spokes
yea, think of version numbers as decimals,

as ME sed
5.1 is 5.10
but not 5.01
ironically, it is NOT.
version numbers are unique, wether there's a zero in front of it or not, a zero behind it or not.

which means
5.01 is not 5.1 and is not 5.10.


:$

oo didnt know about the zeros after it :(
RE: Tiny bug by ViVa on 04-13-2005 at 05:41 PM

Anyway, Patchou?


RE: Tiny bug by riahc4 on 04-15-2005 at 10:00 PM

ok ill try to clear it up in case its not;

5.1 is 5.1000000000000000

5.1 is NOT 5.010000000

5.1 is NOT 5.00000000010000

5.1 is NOT 5.11


RE: Tiny bug by gif83 on 04-15-2005 at 10:06 PM

doesn't it depend on the particular system being used? there are no strict rules about it.. well at least that's what i thought.


RE: Tiny bug by matty on 04-15-2005 at 11:20 PM

Plain and simple this is not a bug.

Windows Version: Windows XP, 5.01.2600
Messenger Client Version: 7.0.0777
Messenger Plus! Version: 3.51.0128

5.01.2600 Is the same thing as 5.1.2600 because 01 is 1.

Do you understand?


If the minor version of a program is less then 1 digit then it is proceeded by a 0 but not displayed. And if a revision of a program is less then 4 then it is proceeded by a 0 but not displayed. In this case Plus! gets the exact version in its (!VER).


RE: Tiny bug by Millenium_edition on 04-16-2005 at 09:51 AM

quote:
Originally posted by riahc4
5.1 is 5.1000000000000000
did you read the thread?
quote:
Originally posted by Matty
5.01.2600 Is the same thing as 5.1.2600 because 01 is 1.
did you read the thread?
RE: Tiny bug by John Anderton on 04-16-2005 at 10:02 AM

quote:
Originally posted by ViVa

Windows XP IS in fact 5.1.2600, and both the webpage and the About menu of Messenger Plus! show me 3.51.128. In both cases an additional 0 is added in between... Will this be fixed?
quote:
Originally posted by Pawz

this is not a bug, you may know them as that but they do infact have zero's infront of those numbers
Afaik ... he is right ... the zero there doesnt make a difference ....
1000 is same as 0001000 [Not in binary :P but in normal cases .... *-) errr .... like for money]
RE: Tiny bug by Jeronimo on 04-16-2005 at 10:24 AM

Windows XP is 5.1.2600. That extra zero is incorrect, no matter what spin you try to put on it. Hidden zeros or whatever, what is the problem with making it say 5.1.2600? Goto Start > Run > winver. See exactly what Microsoft think :)

Version numbers are not based on maths. 01 is not the same as 1. Why there are extra zeros is a question only Patchou can answer. It's true its only a tiny bug, but its easy enough to fix it to accurately display the correct version number.

[Image: WinVerSP2.JPG]


RE: Tiny bug by Jeronimo on 04-16-2005 at 12:03 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Pawz
oh for god sakes, do you need a giant billboard telling you this until you sink it in

decimals such as 1 have a zero infront of them
it is unnesasary therefore they dont need to show it in little pictures such as your own
Er... why do decimals have a zero in front of them? Nowhere in Windows have I seen it written as 5.01.2600, so why do you assume there is a zero that is just hidden? ^o)

So is it actually written as 5.01.02600 then? If decimals have a zero in front of them as you say, then surely that should be the case? ;)
RE: Tiny bug by matty on 04-16-2005 at 03:28 PM

This screenshot is for the File Version of MSN Messenger (msnmsgr.exe). Look in the bottom box to the right.
7.0.0777 <-- see its normal.

[Image: attachment.php?pid=441660]


RE: Tiny bug by Jeronimo on 04-16-2005 at 03:54 PM

I'm not saying that having a proceeding 0 in a version number is unusual. However the version of that MSN is 7.0.0777! So it is correct.

The think I find usual is that you are essentially saying that version 1.1 is the same as version 1.01 which doesn't seem right to me ^o)

[Image: attachment.php?pid=441677]


RE: Tiny bug by Millenium_edition on 04-16-2005 at 03:57 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Pawz
decimals such as 1 have a zero infront of them
it is unnesasary therefore they dont need to show it in little pictures such as your own
VERSION NUMBERS ARE NOT DECIMALS