I've had it with the maturity and attitude of some of the members here. I've had it with the spammers too who obviously cannot follow some simple rules.

If you don't have anything useful or nice to say then don't say it at all

Read the rules for heavens sake, http://shoutbox.menthix.net/rules.html

Seriously, numerous members have left because of the increasing amount of spam on this place and the fact people are making useless replies to help requests and providing wrong information. People have left because they don't like the attitude of people here.

Flaming, abuse or any other kind of related action will result in an instant 24hour ban from me

Right now i'm going to enforce a new "policy" of mine. You spam the first time (ie 2 reported posts from you), you get one warning. Spam again its a 24 hour ban with an email sent to you explaining why. Spam again after that it becomes a week. Eventually you'll just be banned.

Now, if you post warez, you'll be banned right away. If you flame another member, well you'll possibly be banned right away too.

These wont be the actions of all of the moderators, but of me, unless they decide to adopt this idea too.

It gets on my nerves that I come here wanting to read threads/post and I spend half my time dealing with reported posts, bad reputations and everything else. It also shits me to death when people are spamming and i'm tyring to read "real" threads and posts.

excellent

im growing tired of this new generation also, settle down ppl

u dont look kool when you post crap just to let you know

it isnt just the newer "generation" but its also the more helping members leaving

This has been a noticeably growing trend around here, and lately i have seen bans resulting from such behavior. I'm glad someone with authority stepped up and put the issue out in the open.

I'LL BE GOOD

Thankyou Chris I really think this is going to help get the forum back to where it should be.

, we hope inc_haydn

we hope

I agree 100%, everyone needs to chill!

Take it easy, some of you need to loosen up.

And stop spamming...

I kinda think we should disable T&T for a month or 2.

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Originally posted by Purity
I kinda think we should disable T&T for a month or 2.

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haha.... nice analogy

if theres food at the party wouldnt it just get ate

but ya no t&t=spam everywhere

Just delete the threads

i believed the world just stopped spinning for a fraction of a second when the words

DISABLE T&T showed up

Chris: excellent idea


...but i agree with squall too, cuz purity made me feel faint when he said to disable T&T.

I'm just pointing out that T&T is what is destroying us...

Bah, I'll be over
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.... if you need me....

you have my blessing

should be adopted by all moderators

T&T is not whats destroying us

its our idiot posting and the staff members (no offence chris) allowing us to use bad language and stuff in here

i agree with chris
its the same kind of attitude i take with the forums i mod and admin,

the guys at G3d are like that as well
they take no crap from anyone

but don't take away the only place on the forum a person can express themselves whether talentedly or not

i agree with you, but your still aloud to spam in T&T, Right.

for now

i think hiding t & t for a tempory stage would be a good idea.

personally i dont think it would increase the spam on the other forums, maybe even decrease because people will maybe just release that after surfi's new improved attitude to the rules is implyed then they will not spam.


and by newer generation, am i fair in saying post july 2004
(nothing to do with any specific member joining)

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Originally posted by Nova
i agree with you, but your still aloud to spam in T&T, Right.

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I'm finally glad of having a decent policy, too much spamming has been happening, I've been trying to help in threads and there are stupid posts like...

"that happened to me once, its okay now though"

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Originally posted by traxor
"that happened to me once, its okay now though"

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Originally posted by John Anderton

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Originally posted by Nova
i agree with you, but your still aloud to spam in T&T, Right.

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Why do u wanna spam .... i try to keep it to a minimum.
I wouldnt mind if t&t was disabled or a tighter watch was kept on quality control in T&T but as DZ said if T&T is closed down the ppl will spam other "clean" forums

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i don't read forum rules....

most of em are the same

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Originally posted by Stigmata
i think hiding t & t for a tempory stage would be a good idea.

personally i dont think it would increase the spam on the other forums, maybe even decrease because people will maybe just release that after surfi's new improved attitude to the rules is implyed then they will not spam.


and by newer generation, am i fair in saying post july 2004
(nothing to do with any specific member joining)

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Originally posted by Nova
Omfg. Did I say anything about me spamming in T&T, Actually I DIDNT.

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Originally posted by squall_leonhart69r
i don't read forum rules....

most of em are the same

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Originally posted by John Anderton
Chris ... is this a valid reason to report a thread ?

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i don't see the point of reading something on one forum thats posted on 90 others

Just read the damned rules! It won't take long! I stopped being an active member here about a year ago because it was getting too spammy and full of totally idiotic members and I like to spend my time around more mature people. I'm not sure why I then went to IRC where we have the likes of Time () but you'll notice that I joined bloody ages ago and have posted pretty much nothing.

Personally I don't see a problem in leaving T&T here, as long as that's the ONLY place where spam is. Anywhere else should get an instant 24 hr ban IMO.

As for giving out wrong help... That's just stupid. If you don't know the answer to something then just don't say anything. Don't go making stuff up and pretending it's the right answer. OMG

I'll just stick to the mess.be forums where, thanks to some recent hard work by the moderators & admins with lots of warning & banning, there isn't much spam left and people know where they stand. Unfortunately a couple of members have taken to disagreeing with my actions. They are now ex-members

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Originally posted by traxor
I personally don't think that would be the answer, it was also mean a lot of people possibly leaving, possibly not, because of the amount of the first rules that have been enforced on this forum... It would just get annoying, where would the split threads and stuff go? Just be deleted... It would be completely ludacris to do so, I'm not majourly active in testing and trashing, I'm more active in the help threads, trying to help all of the people...

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Originally posted by John Anderton
Just cause they aint contributing to the thread .... is this ok then ??

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well the whole thing if t&t is shut people will spam other places.......then the spammers can be banned, its like a way of finding out the 'proper' members and the spammers....

Indeed. "People won't have anywhere to post their spam!" - don't spam at all then? If you must spam then just type it into a notepad file and then delete it. Post it on your website. Do anything but make others have to sort through your total crap to get to useful stuff!

But not if it is going to cause flame wars and such.

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Originally posted by Chris Boulton


I've had it with the maturity and attitude of some of the members here. I've had it with the spammers too who obviously cannot follow some simple rules.

If you don't have anything useful or nice to say then don't say it at all

Read the rules for heavens sake, http://shoutbox.menthix.net/rules.html

Seriously, numerous members have left because of the increasing amount of spam on this place and the fact people are making useless replies to help requests and providing wrong information. People have left because they don't like the attitude of people here.

Flaming, abuse or any other kind of related action will result in an instant 24hour ban from me

Right now i'm going to enforce a new "policy" of mine. You spam the first time (ie 2 reported posts from you), you get one warning. Spam again its a 24 hour ban with an email sent to you explaining why. Spam again after that it becomes a week. Eventually you'll just be banned.

Now, if you post warez, you'll be banned right away. If you flame another member, well you'll possibly be banned right away too.

These wont be the actions of all of the moderators, but of me, unless they decide to adopt this idea too.

It gets on my nerves that I come here wanting to read threads/post and I spend half my time dealing with reported posts, bad reputations and everything else. It also shits me to death when people are spamming and i'm tyring to read "real" threads and posts.

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Chris I'm glad to see at least one of the administrators is enforcing some kind a state of marshal law.  It's the only thing that will have an effect on this forum.  You all can talk about what needs to be done, and what & who needs to change, but actions speak loader then words.   

I support you and your actions. 

Is it just me or do we have this disscussion every year?

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Originally posted by tehGspider
Is it just me or do we have this disscussion every year?

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it was also mean a lot of people possibly leaving

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I'm not majourly active in testing and trashing, I'm more active in the help threads, trying to help all of the people...

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It would be completely ludacris to do so

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you all complain about the spam...

and youve just spammed this topic.

who cares that its in t&t, you should at least stay on topic....

Arrrghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, can't you all just not spam..is there any way we can make you all see this is a serious topic?

* Sunshine suggests to move Chris'es post to forum and website and to delete all the spam inhere...*sigh*

I dont know if any of you have really realized how many good helping members haven't been as active on the forums because of the spam.  Here's a quick list of who I notest. 

• dom.
  
• tehGspider
  
• CookieRevised
  
• fluffy_lobster
  
• Johnny_Mac
  
• billywoods1
  
• lylesback2
  
• NoName
  
• johny
  
• A. Madsen

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Originally posted by Pr0xY

I dont know if any of you have really realized how many people haven't been as active on the forums because of the spam.  Here's a quick list of who I notest. 

dom.
tehGspider
CookieRevised
fluffy_lobster
bach_m
Johnny_Mac
billywoods1
lylesback2
NoName

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Originally posted by Pr0xY
I dont know if any of you have really realized how many people haven't been as active on the forums because of the spam.  Here's a quick list of who I notest. 

dom.
tehGspider
CookieRevised
fluffy_lobster
bach_m
Johnny_Mac
billywoods1
lylesback2
NoName

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Originally posted by Millenium_edition
bach_m

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Cookie's the only one that spoke out about it.  2 Months ago I was considering leaving because I saw that this forum wasn't what it was when I joined, and I didn't feel that I could help anyone or learn from anyone here because of the spam.  But I stayed...

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Originally posted by Sunshine
* Sunshine suggests to move Chris'es post to forum and website and to delete all the spam inhere...*sigh*

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Originally posted by Pr0xY
Cookie's the only one that spoke out about it.  2 Months ago I was considering leaving because I saw that this forum wasn't what it was when I joined, and I didn't feel that I could help anyone or learn from anyone here because of the spam.  But I stayed...

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Originally posted by WDZ
* WDZ cleaned it up a bit and moved it... if there's still spam in here you can report it...

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Originally posted by MoRiA
Indeed. "People won't have anywhere to post their spam!" - don't spam at all then? If you must spam then just type it into a notepad file and then delete it. Post it on your website. Do anything but make others have to sort through your total crap to get to useful stuff!

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i'm just wondering does patchou ever update the faq on the msgplus website? maybe adding a link to that to draw attention to the faq would be a good idea and maybe stop some people from regesting, and ending up spamming with repedative questions.

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Originally posted by lizard.boy
i'm just wondering does patchou ever update the faq on the msgplus website? maybe adding a link to that to draw attention to the faq would be a good idea and maybe stop some people from regesting, and ending up spamming with repedative questions.

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* Pipish was expecting this sort of post from surfi soon

tbh i think that th newer generation of members need to be tought of the rules about half way sort of through the time i was here we had a major crackdown on rules ect. i even spoke to surfi personally on my own behaviour and was given a rude awakining he realy got through to me and i felt like i had to be good and not spam

if anyone of you feel like you are treated as a spammer do not consult an admin as i did (i was only little at 11) but read the rules about three or four times all of it and memorise it and when you are about to make a post think

1. is this post useful/helpful
2. is it worded correctly and not abreveated ect.
3. do not just make silly posts containg emotions and 1 word
4.no flaming bagging ect.

thats my input on the situation

(that might not make much scence to people but sorry i am not the best of speller )

Realy... I have stopped coming to the MsgPlus web site because of the spam and all the bad help you get there are more fights and it's just not fun as it used to be... If you look in this thread alone there is more spam then any sort of point to half of what people have posted. It's just point less!

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Originally posted by snake1131
If you look in this thread alone there is more spam then any sort of point to half of what people have posted. It's just point less!

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well thats very nice, i dont know why the forums are sucking.. i give a negative rep point to someone, and few hours later, the rep is removed.. what?  i cant vote negative on a "powerful" member? .. few days ago, he had 2 or 3 negative reps.. now its all positive.. Why do you make an option to choose +1 or -1? let it be only plus ,knowing that if we vote negative it will be removed.. this forum is crap! something should be done!

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Originally posted by Fredzz
well thats very nice, i dont know why the forums are sucking.. i give a negative rep point to someone, and few hours later, the rep is removed.. what?  i cant vote negative on a "powerful" member? .. few days ago, he had 2 or 3 negative reps.. now its all positive.. Why do you make an option to choose +1 or -1? let it be only plus ,knowing that if we vote negative it will be removed

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Originally posted by Fredzz
this forum is crap! something should be done!

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Originally posted by Fredzz
i give a negative rep point to someone, and few hours later, the rep is removed.. what?

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i cant vote negative on a "powerful" member?

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knowing that if we vote negative it will be removed

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Originally posted by Chris Boulton


I've had it with the maturity and attitude of some of the members here. I've had it with the spammers too who obviously cannot follow some simple rules.

If you don't have anything useful or nice to say then don't say it at all

Read the rules for heavens sake, http://shoutbox.menthix.net/rules.html

Seriously, numerous members have left because of the increasing amount of spam on this place and the fact people are making useless replies to help requests and providing wrong information. People have left because they don't like the attitude of people here.

Flaming, abuse or any other kind of related action will result in an instant 24hour ban from me

Right now i'm going to enforce a new "policy" of mine. You spam the first time (ie 2 reported posts from you), you get one warning. Spam again its a 24 hour ban with an email sent to you explaining why. Spam again after that it becomes a week. Eventually you'll just be banned.

Now, if you post warez, you'll be banned right away. If you flame another member, well you'll possibly be banned right away too.

These wont be the actions of all of the moderators, but of me, unless they decide to adopt this idea too.

It gets on my nerves that I come here wanting to read threads/post and I spend half my time dealing with reported posts, bad reputations and everything else. It also shits me to death when people are spamming and i'm tyring to read "real" threads and posts.

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Originally posted by Chris Boulton


I've had it with the maturity and attitude of some of the members here. I've had it with the spammers too who obviously cannot follow some simple rules.

If you don't have anything useful or nice to say then don't say it at all

Read the rules for heavens sake, http://shoutbox.menthix.net/rules.html

Seriously, numerous members have left because of the increasing amount of spam on this place and the fact people are making useless replies to help requests and providing wrong information. People have left because they don't like the attitude of people here.

Flaming, abuse or any other kind of related action will result in an instant 24hour ban from me

Right now i'm going to enforce a new "policy" of mine. You spam the first time (ie 2 reported posts from you), you get one warning. Spam again its a 24 hour ban with an email sent to you explaining why. Spam again after that it becomes a week. Eventually you'll just be banned.

Now, if you post warez, you'll be banned right away. If you flame another member, well you'll possibly be banned right away too.

These wont be the actions of all of the moderators, but of me, unless they decide to adopt this idea too.

It gets on my nerves that I come here wanting to read threads/post and I spend half my time dealing with reported posts, bad reputations and everything else. It also shits me to death when people are spamming and i'm tyring to read "real" threads and posts.

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Now a days many ppl are fighting as to who is spamming ... one blames the other and the other starts arguing.
Please .... stop fighting all of u. Spam is extremely irritating .... but ppl fighting about who is spamming is worse .... some ppl have been on the edge recently and fight at the drop of the hat ..... ok there is a lot of probs n all ... im as disgusted and dissapointed with these problems as the next guy but can we just please stop arguing and get on with the normal forum work and by that i mean helping
I totally agree with the plan surfi has adopted .... u spam u get a warning .... do it again and ur banned cause this never seems to end .... To see ppl arguing is as irritating as seeing spam ...
Can we stop making such spam threads (there have been many) and get on with our work.
And oh yeah .... all of us know what to do now ... its been said by a million ppl a million times. No spam posts, help, stay on topic, be nice to other members, if u dont know the answer then dont post there etc .... why r we still arguing and not starting to do that ?
And dont flame me ... this is what i feel

And surfi .... u said that there are a lot of reported posts and u hate to attend to them when u come here to read posts where ur help is reqd. Ok i agree but there are 9 ppl who can do this (4 admin and 5 super mods) Patchou aint here atm ... so thats 8 ppl to do all that work. If u want u could in that case have a temp / perma   mod / super mod for T&T and Gcc / all forums.
I know that Ya'll are not recruiting neone atm but thats just an idea.

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Originally posted by John Anderton
And surfi .... u said that there are a lot of reported posts and u hate to attend to them when u come here to read posts where ur help is reqd. Ok i agree but there are 9 ppl who can do this (4 admin and 5 super mods) Patchou aint here atm ... so thats 8 ppl to do all that work. If u want u could in that case have a temp / perma   mod / super mod for T&T and Gcc / all forums.

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Originally posted by Anubis
By adding about five respectable and active members to be super moderators.

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Originally posted by Anubis
I would believe that we could really cut back on all the crappy threads and spam posts.

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Originally posted by WDZ

FIVE?

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Originally posted by WDZ
all with their own opinions and decisions, they probably wouldn't communicate well with each other, and it would be a big mess

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Originally posted by WDZ
And adding new mods is a huge deal (to me anyway)...

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Originally posted by WDZ
And adding new mods is a huge deal (to me anyway)...

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Originally posted by Anubis
The way the spam and floods of new members is going, it could be do or let the forum die.
There's a lot of decent members that could easily be mods and would do the job well. With little hassle and causes of problems. For example I believe that Sunshine would be a great moderator.

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Originally posted by Pr0xY
Well Anubis just gave you a great idea, and your shooting it down because your lazy.

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Originally posted by Pr0xY
Do you even care about this forum anymore?

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Originally posted by Anubis
For example I believe that Sunshine would be a great moderator.

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Originally posted by Joa
u can't just make anybody a moderator... i think that all the current mods, if they think this would be a good idea, should really talk it over.

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Originally posted by Joa
should really talk it over.

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Originally posted by Joa
u can't just make anybody a moderator...

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Originally posted by Anubis
By adding about five respectable and active members

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It would probably most likely be the more respected members... somebody from irc most likely...

We wont be making our decessions based on a users IRC activity.


Now, We'll begin the Messenger Plus! Forums Moderator Selection Conclave. Same rules as the selection of the pope, Watch for white smoke from the forum server, If it's black smoke coming from the server, Please call the fire department.

No chance of me becoming a mod then?
Seriously, I think there are more appropriate choices than me anyway, like Sunshine for instance.

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Originally posted by wj
If it's black smoke coming from the server, Please call the fire department.

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i'll be the new mod


lol, more chance of me wining the lottery (and i don't even play)


should have a public vote tho. not just a vote by staff/elite

It will be a Private mod/admin choice. Elites will have NO say in the final choice an elite member may be in the runnings.

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Originally posted by toddler
should have a public vote tho. not just a vote by staff/elite

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We are getting new mods
Thats good

* x2zen remembers when Tochjo became one

when do you think the new mods will get chosen?

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Originally posted by A. Madsen
* A. Madsen remembers when Tochjo became one

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Update to my post above .... ^^^^ if anyone missed it ...
Ill delete it prolly in some time else u can report it

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Originally posted by toddler
should have a public vote tho. not just a vote by staff/elite

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Originally posted by Anubis
Also, before it starts, please don't start begging to be the new moderator. I doubt the staff will listen to you anyway.And just by saying "I want to be the next mod" you're just proving not being staff material. Being a super moderator is just to help out the community, not just a position to "have".

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Originally posted by John Anderton
the new mods will most prolly be elites

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Originally posted by John Anderton
so i was just wondering if there are gonna be new ones

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im more useful on a hardware and tech support site

* Concord Dawn wants a movie to be made "The Forum Wars"

Honestly, I completely agree, which is why I'ved cleaned my act up in the last week or so. I'm really getting sick of all the people on here who spam just for the sake of it. I don't believe in this "new generation" bull. It's some of the older members who do it to, and that's how the newer members see the boards, as a place where they can be accepted due to a high post count or high rep. Then you get complete fags like Stephan who has to register three accounts in order to find out that rep begging is bad. Here's a cheers to you, Boulton, and also a promise. I promise to immediately report all bad posts. I know that's probably going to increase your workload a smidge, but in the long run, it's worth it. All of the forum members should be working towards a clean forum, not a completely trashy one where incomplete and possibly dangerous answers are given (e.g. the "Speed up Windows by Disabling Services" post). Let's all work towards a better Plus! community. We owe it to the admins for setting up and maintaining this server, the mods and elites for all their hard work, and we owe it to Patchou, the creator of the best MSN Messenger addon in history!

Okay..

1. Don't bother asking or questioning if you will become a mod. It' pointless and we'll just say no.

2. We only really need 1 maybe 2 more moderators.

3. Don't make out like it is a problem with staffing either.We have a more than adequate moderation team already and we can cope with anything. It is the members who need to get their act together.

4. The main problems I was talking about in regards to reported posts are some times spam, easily dealt with. Alot of it these days are things like "flaming" "being disrespectful" and things like that. A new moderator won't help solve that.

I had more points, but I forgot them

I agree, we need another mod, there isn't always an admin or a mod online either but that's not the biggest deal....

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Originally posted by Pr0xY
I dont know if any of you have really realized how many good helping members haven't been as active on the forums because of the spam.  Here's a quick list of who I notest. 

• dom.
  
• tehGspider
  
• CookieRevised
  
• fluffy_lobster
  
• Johnny_Mac
  
• billywoods1
  
• lylesback2
  
• NoName
  
• johny
  
• A. Madsen

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Originally posted by Chris Boulton

Okay..

1. Don't bother asking or questioning if you will become a mod. It' pointless and we'll just say no.

2. We only really need 1 maybe 2 more moderators.

3. Don't make out like it is a problem with staffing either.We have a more than adequate moderation team already and we can cope with anything. It is the members who need to get their act together.

4. The main problems I was talking about in regards to reported posts are some times spam, easily dealt with. Alot of it these days are things like "flaming" "being disrespectful" and things like that. A new moderator won't help solve that.

I had more points, but I forgot them

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Originally posted by Pr0xY
lylesback2

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I'm not sure if a new mod would solve many problems at all =/
The community has to be educated, it just takes the fun away if you have to start being nasty to enforce the rules. I know theres always going to be a few users that don't but lets hope thats a minority in the future.

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Originally posted by Chestah
I'm not sure if a new mod would solve many problems at all =/
The community has to be educated, it just takes the fun away if you have to start being nasty to enforce the rules. I know theres always going to be a few users that don't but lets hope thats a minority in the future.

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Originally posted by Demz

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Originally posted by Chestah
I'm not sure if a new mod would solve many problems at all =/
The community has to be educated, it just takes the fun away if you have to start being nasty to enforce the rules. I know theres always going to be a few users that don't but lets hope thats a minority in the future.

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i think we need 1 or 2 new Mods .. dont see many aound here now like Chrono, not that i see hiom around much anymore  as i did before when i first started using these forums ,,

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Originally posted by BEWARE^^

maybe some of the mods have other things to do then staying arround here maybe they are concentrating on there work that they wanna do later

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Originally posted by Anubis

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Originally posted by BEWARE^^

maybe some of the mods have other things to do then staying arround here maybe they are concentrating on there work that they wanna do later

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We all appreciate that they may have other things to do than be here, however we also still need moderators to try and moderate the forum, especially as an insurance policy since the forum seems to have spouts of new members who maybe require a little damage limitation.

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Originally posted by BEWARE^^
maybe some of the mods have other things to do then staying arround here maybe they are concentrating on there work that they wanna do later i dunno

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Originally posted by Chris Boulton
Okay..

1. Don't bother asking or questioning if you will become a mod. It' pointless and we'll just say no.

2. We only really need 1 maybe 2 more moderators.

3. Don't make out like it is a problem with staffing either.We have a more than adequate moderation team already and we can cope with anything. It is the members who need to get their act together.

4. The main problems I was talking about in regards to reported posts are some times spam, easily dealt with. Alot of it these days are things like "flaming" "being disrespectful" and things like that. A new moderator won't help solve that.

I had more points, but I forgot them

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Originally posted by Pr0xY
I dont know if any of you have really realized how many good helping members haven't been as active on the forums because of the spam.  Here's a quick list of who I notest. 

• dom.
  
• tehGspider
  
• CookieRevised
  
• fluffy_lobster
  
• Johnny_Mac
  
• billywoods1
  
• lylesback2
  
• NoName
  
• johny
  
• A. Madsen

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i semi agree with you gs as much as i hate to admit it the newer generation is taking over in a bad way they just need to be educated though i think with education of the rules ect this place will be much better and way less spammy

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Originally posted by Pipish

i semi agree with you gs as much as i hate to admit it the newer generation is taking over in a bad way they just need to be educated though i think with education of the rules ect this place will be much better and way less spammy

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Let's make 1 thing clear...

It is very logical and normal that the "new generation" makes mistakes. That was/is not the problem and not my reason to leave.

My frustration grew out of the regulars/'full members' who behave in a bad way, not the "new generation"...