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Question about P2P Programs by Y2Pdogg on 05-21-2005 at 12:41 AM
What exactly is legal to download from these programs? Music is apparently illegal now in the U.S anyway but what about videos? I'm not exactly talking about full movies but like music videos and television shows. Are they legal?
Someone just explain the legal & illegal things for me plz.
RE: Question about P2P Programs by gif83 on 05-21-2005 at 12:44 AM
well i guess things are only legal to share if the files themselves have been deemed legal for distribution by the owner/creator
RE: Question about P2P Programs by ddunk on 05-21-2005 at 12:48 AM
Yes, they both are. The MPAA (motion picture association of america) recently sued 6 tvtorrent sites including www.btefnet.com (one of the biggest tvtorrent sites out there with a supposed 40,000+ users)
RE: Question about P2P Programs by Y2Pdogg on 05-21-2005 at 12:56 AM
So music videos and television shows are illegal? I'm not quite sure I understand you..
RE: Question about P2P Programs by ddunk on 05-21-2005 at 12:58 AM
i'm positive TV shows are illegal, i'm fairly sure music videos are too.
RE: Question about P2P Programs by Y2Pdogg on 05-21-2005 at 01:02 AM
So is NOTHING legal with these programs?!
RE: Question about P2P Programs by ddunk on 05-21-2005 at 01:04 AM
Unless the program is open source/free or unless the author consents to it, no.
RE: Question about P2P Programs by buzz on 05-21-2005 at 01:45 AM
the debate is over weather the program is illegal. Napster was shutdown becuase they were providing the files and a network. limewire and kazza just supply a program and the users do what they want with it. Downloading music ect is illegal but the program is legal
RE: Question about P2P Programs by Y2Pdogg on 05-21-2005 at 02:06 AM
Well I see no sense in having a legal program to download illegal stuff.
RE: Question about P2P Programs by CookieRevised on 05-21-2005 at 06:26 AM
quote:The legal program can be used to d/l legal content, like opensource, free, public domain, trial, etc stuff...
Originally posted by Y2Pdogg
Well I see no sense in having a legal program to download illegal stuff.
of course, such P2P programs are mainly (ab)used for illegal content...
RE: Question about P2P Programs by Anubis on 05-21-2005 at 06:58 AM
quote:You are allowed to download them for backup purposes only, but you must own a copy of the original.
Originally posted by Ddunk
i'm positive TV shows are illegal
quote:It all goes back to the history of the P2P, at first it was just a program just used by a few friends to share their music collection between like 5 or 6 people, not hardcore piracy. But then more people got in the loop, and the idea spread...the result was the infamous "Napster".
Originally posted by Y2Pdogg
Well I see no sense in having a legal program to download illegal stuff.
Next that was shut down and others took its place. There was no legal "sense" used in their making, everyone (even the authors) knew it would be used for illegal things, but they used the front that even though it can be used for illegal things (if the users want to), it can be used for legal things as well, and the program itself doesn't do the damage, just the user, the user can use the tool for good or bad. It's the same with some hacking tools today; they can be used to correct some errors, or to test server load issues, but many as misused.
The bottom line is, this is just the way the law works. Here in the UK farmers can get a licence to carry a gun, now the gun is allowed to the farmer so that he can use it to keep back predators from his livestock and to kill livestock. Having the gun, for the farmer, is completely legal. But the weapon can be used to do a lot of wrong things!
I know that example is a lot more dramatic than the P2P one; however the principle is the same.
RE: RE: Question about P2P Programs by Vilkku on 05-21-2005 at 07:01 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Anubis
and the program itself doesn't do the damage
Just stay off the official Kazaa, it has tons of spyware.
RE: Question about P2P Programs by Anubis on 05-21-2005 at 07:05 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Vilkku
Just stay off the official Kazaa, it has tons of spyware.
quote:
Originally posted by www.kazaa.com/us/privacy/nospyware_policy.htm
The certified Kazaa Media Desktop (KMD) software is provided by Sharman Networks and made available on Kazaa.com and it contains NO spyware
...even with that, I'm still suspicious, tbh. They were known by everyone to have spyware
RE: RE: Question about P2P Programs by Y2Pdogg on 05-21-2005 at 07:06 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Anubis
quote:It all goes back to the history of the P2P, at first it was just a program just used by a few friends to share their music collection between like 5 or 6 people, not hardcore piracy. But then more people got in the loop, and the idea spread...the result was the infamous "Napster".
Originally posted by Y2Pdogg
Well I see no sense in having a legal program to download illegal stuff.
Next that was shut down and others took its place. There was no legal "sense" used in their making, everyone (even the authors) knew it would be used for illegal things, but they used the front that even though it can be used for illegal things (if the users want to), it can be used for legal things as well, and the program itself doesn't do the damage, just the user, the user can use the tool for good or bad. It's the same with some hacking tools today; they can be used to correct some errors, or to test server load issues, but many as misused.
The bottom line is, this is just the way the law works. Here in the UK farmers can get a licence to carry a gun, now the gun is allowed to the farmer so that he can use it to keep back predators from his livestock and to kill livestock. Having the gun, for the farmer, is completely legal. But the weapon can be used to do a lot of wrong things!
I know that example is a lot more dramatic than the P2P one; however the principle is the same.
Strangly, I actually understand what you're saying.
quote:
Originally posted by Anubis
quote:You are allowed to download them for backup purposes only, but you must own a copy of the original.
Originally posted by Ddunk
i'm positive TV shows are illegal
What about copies that you taped using a vcr?
RE: Question about P2P Programs by Anubis on 05-21-2005 at 07:14 AM
quote:I looked into that, and nor have I found evidence to the contrary on this one.
Originally posted by Y2Pdogg
What about copies that you taped using a vcr?
It states that if you have recorded the TV show, you are allowed to download a copy of it off the internet. I don't know if this count as you are able to download DVD rips (DVD rips are copies of the DVD that have been converted into a PC format) or just a TV taped version of the show. What will be sure is that if you do download it, you are not allowed to download a version with special features included.
RE: RE: Question about P2P Programs by Vilkku on 05-21-2005 at 07:14 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Anubis
quote:
Originally posted by Vilkku
Just stay off the official Kazaa, it has tons of spyware.
quote:
Originally posted by www.kazaa.com/us/privacy/nospyware_policy.htm
The certified Kazaa Media Desktop (KMD) software is provided by Sharman Networks and made available on Kazaa.com and it contains NO spyware
...even with that, I'm still suspicious, tbh. They were known by everyone to have spyware
I once worked for a computer company one summer... I think we got in at least five (5) computers that were slow/freezing/etc because of Kazaa spyware and they all worked perfectly again after using Ad-Aware. What do we learn?
Kazaa has (or used to have) some kind of spyware or malware.
Some computer users are plain stupid and n00bs.
RE: RE: Question about P2P Programs by Y2Pdogg on 05-21-2005 at 07:18 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Anubis
quote:I looked into that, and nor have I found evidence to the contrary on this one.
Originally posted by Y2Pdogg
What about copies that you taped using a vcr?
It states that if you have recorded the TV show, you are allowed to download a copy of it off the internet. I don't know if this count as you are able to download DVD rips (DVD rips are copies of the DVD that have been converted into a PC format) or just a TV taped version of the show. What will be sure is that if you do download it, you are not allowed to download a version with special features included.
well hmm..I might could work with that cause the main reason I wanted to know the answer about the videos is because I have alot of tv shows and music videos taped that I would love to find and put on a disc. Limewire is a good P2P correct?
RE: Question about P2P Programs by Vilkku on 05-21-2005 at 07:23 AM
Speaking of Limewire, what network does Kazaa/-Lite/-Resurrection use? I know Limewire uses Gnutella. It's all about the network really...
RE: Question about P2P Programs by Anubis on 05-21-2005 at 07:24 AM
quote:If you don't mind putting a bit of money onto it, you could get a TV-IN card, and copy the shows and music videaos from VCR to your PC and put it on disk.
Originally posted by Y2Pdogg
well hmm..I might could work with that cause the main reason I wanted to know the answer about the videos is because I have alot of tv shows and music videos taped that I would love to find and put on a disc.
RE: RE: Question about P2P Programs by Y2Pdogg on 05-21-2005 at 07:26 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Anubis
quote:If you don't mind putting a bit of money onto it, you could get a TV-IN card, and copy the shows and music videaos from VCR to your PC and put it on disk.
Originally posted by Y2Pdogg
well hmm..I might could work with that cause the main reason I wanted to know the answer about the videos is because I have alot of tv shows and music videos taped that I would love to find and put on a disc.
yea I know I can do that but I'm just, you know, looking around to see if I can find a way around putting money down. I'll probably do that eventually anyway...it's just a friend told me about all this P2P stuff and he knows alot about computer but he failed to give me the details I really needed.
RE: Question about P2P Programs by Eljay on 05-21-2005 at 07:34 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Vilkku
Speaking of Limewire, what network does Kazaa/-Lite/-Resurrection use? I know Limewire uses Gnutella. It's all about the network really...
kazaa uses FastTrack
RE: Question about P2P Programs by Y2Pdogg on 05-21-2005 at 06:16 PM
Well which is the better network?
RE: Question about P2P Programs by Caboose on 05-21-2005 at 07:43 PM
BitTorrent 
Really though, FastTrack is crap now. Go with BitTorrent, Limewire or Bearshare... actually, go with anything BUT FastTrack >_>
RE: Question about P2P Programs by absorbation on 05-21-2005 at 07:50 PM
You will only get into trouble from 1.) mass uploading 2.) uploading material that is not yours 3.) downloading lots and lots and i mean lots
I use them and i never share my libary and i will never becoming a ultra peer. Bearshare lite is a good software. Remember the software itself is not illegal it is what you download using it
RE: Question about P2P Programs by Y2Pdogg on 05-21-2005 at 08:28 PM
Pretty spiffy info. I have a friend who uses Limewire so I'm kinda familiar with it so I'll get it. He downloads music and stuff though but I don't care any of that. If I want music, I'll go buy a cd. plain and simple.
Well thanks guys, ya'll have been a big help.