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question - 2 screens - fullscreen game on 1, normal on other... by M73A on 06-21-2005 at 06:12 PM
ive got 2 pc screens, what i want to do is have a game playing on one side and windows normally on the other (for msn obviously 
)
is it possible? noramlly when i try anything fullscreen it has half on each. 
i have t configured to have fullscreen video on one screen if a video is playing on the other but thats not much help because its a game not a video in wmp or whatever...
any help is appreciatied... thanks
RE: question - 2 screens - fullscreen game on 1, normal on other... by John Anderton on 06-21-2005 at 06:18 PM
Most full screen games lock your mouse and dont allow it to goto the other window. So you can keep msn messenger on top and see who's come online or gone offline and see what messages they are sending you in away mode but to reply you will have to press the windows keyboard key and come to windows and then bring the mouse pointer to the other screen 
RE: question - 2 screens - fullscreen game on 1, normal on other... by M73A on 06-21-2005 at 06:21 PM
what about alt+tab then i cud type so thats not to big a problem...
can it be done then?
RE: question - 2 screens - fullscreen game on 1, normal on other... by John Anderton on 06-21-2005 at 06:25 PM
quote:Thats what i said
Originally posted by may73alliance
what about alt+tab then i cud type so thats not to big a
problem...
Windows key also brings you back to windows like alt+tab 
RE: question - 2 screens - fullscreen game on 1, normal on other... by mwe99 on 06-21-2005 at 06:27 PM
However, some games crash when you alt + tab or windows button so becareful
RE: question - 2 screens - fullscreen game on 1, normal on other... by M73A on 06-21-2005 at 06:27 PM
quote:
Originally posted by John Anderton
quote:Thats what i said
Originally posted by may73alliance
what about alt+tab then i cud type so thats not to big a
problem...
i dont wanna go back to windows
i want windows to be on one of the screens and the game on the other
alt+tab changes the active window
the windows key brings up the start menu
RE: question - 2 screens - fullscreen game on 1, normal on other... by John Anderton on 06-21-2005 at 06:30 PM
quote:
Originally posted by mwe99
However, some games crash when you alt + tab or windows button so becareful
Ya thats rite so you could make a custom preset for away and use the
auto replier properly (Use # for new lines if you didnt know)
Or if its like an important multiplayer game then you could sign off msn
RE: question - 2 screens - fullscreen game on 1, normal on other... by segosa on 06-21-2005 at 06:38 PM
I've never used this so I have no idea whether it'll help:
http://www.realtimesoft.com/ultramon/
RE: question - 2 screens - fullscreen game on 1, normal on other... by M73A on 06-21-2005 at 06:45 PM
quote:
Originally posted by John Anderton
quote:
Originally posted by mwe99
However, some games crash when you alt + tab or windows button so becareful
Ya thats rite so you could make a custom preset for away and use the
auto replier properly (Use # for new lines if you didnt know)
Or if its like an important multiplayer game then you could sign off msn
i dont want to sing off, i want to use both, i want to be online, have convos and contact list on one screen and game on the other..
quote:
Originally posted by Segosa
I've never used this so I have no idea whether it'll help:
http://www.realtimesoft.com/ultramon/
thanks
looks really good, i might try that
....my graphics card does a few of the things already but owell 
RE: question - 2 screens - fullscreen game on 1, normal on other... by CookieRevised on 06-21-2005 at 09:00 PM
quote:Start by configuring you two screens as seperate screens for starters:
Originally posted by may73alliance
ive got 2 pc screens, what i want to do is have a game playing on one side and windows normally on the other (for msn obviously
is it possible? noramlly when i try anything fullscreen it has half on each.
* clone mode: both screens show exact the same.
* span mode: both screen form 1 desktop; the desktop is thus split in half. The windows taskbar starts on the main monitor and ends on the second. Maximizing programs will maximize the program across both screens. There is no middle edge as far as Windows is concearned. (I suspect you have it in this mode atm)
* dual mode: both screens have there own area. Nothing is split in two (unless you drag a window over the border of course). The windows taskbar starts on the main monitor and ends on the main monitor. Both area's (screens) can have their own taskbar or only one screen can have a taskbar. Maximizing programs will maximize the program only across the screen which it is running on. There is a virtual middle edge which split the desktop in two parts. This is the most interesting and usefull mode and the one you should use...
quote:That is actually exactly what you must do... This kind of thing is called "Video Overlaying*" and this must explicity be set and configured in your graphics driver. Some games support this type of video showing and thus do exactly what you want... But note that the game must support this too!!!
Originally posted by may73alliance
i have t configured to have fullscreen video on one screen if a video is playing on the other but thats not much help because its a game not a video in wmp or whatever...
*Video Overlaying means a program overlays a video channel above the normal Windows "graphic" channel of your monitor. Everything in Windows is normally shown in the "graphical" channel. But with DirectX and the likes a program can show things on the overlaying video channel. The "black hole" you sometimes see when you take a screenshot of a video is this effect in action. Windows can't normally screen grab the "overlaying" channel. You need special software to do it. If you see the black whole on a screen grab, you know the video (or whatever which was shown) was shown on the "overlaying" video channel.
Another possebility is playing the game in a window, but drag the window as big as possible across 1 screen. This will have slightly the same effect.
Of course, for whatever option you choose/try, as soon as you ALT-TAB (or any other way) out of the game, the game will loose focus and dodgy things cuold happen. Again, this depends on only the game and how it supports all this.
But I wonder how you are going to steer your game car around corners while you're typing in MSN Messenger. Because gaming and working in another program (eg: chatting) at the same time is of course physically impossible. Only 1 program can have the focus at any given time and you can only give input in one program at the time. For only video's this doesn't matter of course, the video can still be playing (and you see it full screen on moni 2 for example) while you're working on moni 1 in Excel as a video doesn't need any input.
Of course you can do it the other way around. Viewing what is said in mIRC on moni 1, while you're shooting your enemies down on moni 2...
But as said, the biggest problem is which program has (or steals!) the focus. And there is nothing you can do about it, as this is simply the way Windows work. (The only thing that can solver this is if your game can detect it is loosing the focus and goes in pause-mode or something like that)...
RE: question - 2 screens - fullscreen game on 1, normal on other... by M73A on 06-21-2005 at 09:23 PM
dual mode? 
all i have is
-single display
-clone
-horizontal span
-vertical span
damn
RE: question - 2 screens - fullscreen game on 1, normal on other... by John Anderton on 06-22-2005 at 12:23 PM
quote:
Originally posted by may73alliance
dual mode?
all i have is
-single display
-clone
-horizontal span
-vertical span
damn
I assumed you were in dual mode =/ Cause thats the one that most people
here use hence giving you two desktops and hence more space
Do you have the latest drivers or whatever
Cause this should be an option 
RE: question - 2 screens - fullscreen game on 1, normal on other... by squall_leonhart69r on 06-22-2005 at 01:39 PM
Nvidia then??
in control panel should be a applet called Nview, this is what you will need
im not really skilled at multi monitors but i know its possible
i have done it before myself, im just not good at it
RE: question - 2 screens - fullscreen game on 1, normal on other... by CookieRevised on 06-22-2005 at 03:25 PM
You don't need NView at all though. That is simply an extra program/tool for your own convenience; it is kind of "a shell" above the drivers. If the drivers don't support something, NView can't do it....
RE: question - 2 screens - fullscreen game on 1, normal on other... by lizard.boy on 06-22-2005 at 03:32 PM
when i play games i usually just use my "games" profile in ultramon so that only one monitor is on. otherwise it usually screws up my stuff on my other desktop. There really isnt a reason to play a game and try to watch stuff on the other monitor, unless your watching your pc stats or something.
RE: question - 2 screens - fullscreen game on 1, normal on other... by squall_leonhart69r on 06-22-2005 at 03:51 PM
i know cookie, i figured that out after playing with it for 10 mins and discoving some windows had disappeared
what drivers are you using
in my Display options i have Clone, Horizontal span, vertical span, and Dual Mode,
dual mode being the one your after
RE: question - 2 screens - fullscreen game on 1, normal on other... by M73A on 06-22-2005 at 04:44 PM
quote:i was using the horizontal span....
Originally posted by John Anderton
I assumed you were in dual mode =/ Cause thats the one that most people
here use hence giving you two desktops and hence more space
Do you have the latest drivers or whatever Cause this should be an option
RE: question - 2 screens - fullscreen game on 1, normal on other... by squall_leonhart69r on 06-22-2005 at 05:31 PM
thats the problem then
have you got the option for dual mode though?
if not you'll need a Driver update
what video card you got btw?
and what driver version?
RE: question - 2 screens - fullscreen game on 1, normal on other... by M73A on 06-22-2005 at 05:43 PM
Nvidia GeForce FX 5200
driver version - 6.14.10.5303
RE: question - 2 screens - fullscreen game on 1, normal on other... by squall_leonhart69r on 06-22-2005 at 06:32 PM
kk, you might wanna try using a newer driver
the 75.90s-77.50s work wonders on even older cards, plus you'll get the extra settings
also between the 56.xx's and the 67.03's nvidia removed the 6xAA and made it 8xSSAA
RE: question - 2 screens - fullscreen game on 1, normal on other... by M73A on 06-22-2005 at 06:50 PM
quote:erm, i went to the hardware manager thing and select my graphics card and then update drivers... it worked but it completely took away all of the features.... it sucked so im back on the older ones... or should i get them from somewhere else? (sorry havent updated graphics card manually before.... have never had too)
Originally posted by squall_leonhart69r
kk, you might wanna try using a newer driver
the 75.90s-77.50s work wonders on even older cards, plus you'll get the extra settings
also between the 56.xx's and the 67.03's nvidia removed the 6xAA and made it 8xSSAA
RE: question - 2 screens - fullscreen game on 1, normal on other... by squall_leonhart69r on 06-22-2005 at 06:59 PM
LOL
kk dude, that doesn't work like that
lol
tis kinda funny, but ima stop laughing now
ok, you needa download the driver
lucky for you, nvidia just released a new set tonight (my time)
you are using XP aren' you?
http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_2k_77.72.html
newest set available.
also has an installer
if you want a copy of coolbits (it unlocks the more advanced driver settings) just pm or email me
if you have win9x/me
http://www.nvidia.com/object/win9x_77.72.html
note that if you have an english version of windows, and speal english you can just use the US driver set
saves downloading the full internation set
RE: question - 2 screens - fullscreen game on 1, normal on other... by M73A on 06-22-2005 at 07:11 PM
WOAH THANKS!!! just expected a 'google for nvidia site and look around...'
thanks for the links btw yea im on XP, hope this works 
RE: question - 2 screens - fullscreen game on 1, normal on other... by squall_leonhart69r on 06-24-2005 at 12:31 PM
if you downloaded the drivers you might wanna download them again as they have been WHQL certified now
should be the same link
RE: question - 2 screens - fullscreen game on 1, normal on other... by TheBlasphemer on 06-24-2005 at 02:59 PM
Hmmm, I use two screens, and I've always had a fullscreen game on one screen
Would be kinda pissed off if my card wouldn't allow me to though,
playing an FPS with a big black bar in the middle of the fucking crosshair 
Anyway, I'm not familiar with nVidia cards, but there should be an option to put it in dual-mode.
Maybe you should set it in single mode, and see if that helps.
Maybe that way Windows will recognize two monitors, like mine does, and let you choose to "Extend the windows desktop this monitor"...
Let us know if you succeeded
RE: question - 2 screens - fullscreen game on 1, normal on other... by squall_leonhart69r on 06-24-2005 at 03:15 PM
it used to blasphemer,.. but since Forceware 62, that hasn't been an option anymore
these days you have to set it as dual view, extend horizontal, extend vertical. or clone (clone means both monitors show the same)
extend means it makes it a wide screen
vertical is if you have 1 monitor on top of another
and dual view is to allow 2 seperate views at the same time
dual view is slower in games though