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To:  Microsoft AntiSpyware Beta
Microsoft AntiSpyware Beta now treats Messenger Plus! as a spyware and asks you to block it from your computer. But, everybody should know that Messenger Plus! IS NOT A SPYWARE... It only asks you if you want to install a sponsor while installing it. Of course, you can refuse to install the sponsor and install Messenger Plus! anyway!

Also, you are conscious that the creator of Msg Plus!, Patchou, and his program don't need a bad publicity like this! Messenger Plus! is a great addon for MSN Messenger!

Thus, by signing this petition, you agree that Microsoft AntiSpyware badly judged Messenger Plus! and you want Microsoft AnitiSpyware to remove Messenger Plus! from there spywares list!

Thank you for your comprehension! ~ Sk8michael ~

Sincerely,

The Undersigned

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There is no point of a petition, Patchou has already said he will speak to MS about it.

http://shoutbox.menthix.net/showthread.php?tid=48814&page=1

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Originally posted by Patchou
Well, that is new...... what the hell is that and since when msgplus.exe is a threat to anybody? I'm going to contact MS about this and if they don't do something about it, this time, I will. This is outrageous.

Thanks for reporting.

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Originally posted by mwe99
There is no point of a petition, Patchou has already said he will speak to MS about it.

http://shoutbox.menthix.net/showthread.php?tid=48814&page=1

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Originally posted by Patchou
Well, that is new...... what the hell is that and since when msgplus.exe is a threat to anybody? I'm going to contact MS about this and if they don't do something about it, this time, I will. This is outrageous.

Thanks for reporting.

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signed
w00t

and to the MS AntiSpyware Team, they have a descent product, but taking heed to user input is part of the job description, I believe .

Besides waiting for Patchou to deal with this (which he will), I would suggest to at least change the letter...

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Microsoft AntiSpyware Beta now treats Messenger Plus! as a moderate level spyware treat and asks you to block it from your computer everytime Plus! runs and not only during a AntiSpyware scan.

But, everybody should know that Messenger Plus! itself IS NOT A SPYWARE...

It is ONLY the installer which could potentially install ADWARE if the user CHOOSE to do so. It only asks you if you want to install a sponsor while installing it.

Of course, you can refuse to install the optional adware sponsor and install Messenger Plus! anyway. The Messenger Plus! program itself (msgplus.exe) or its DLL's does NOT install anything related to spyware nor adware and is no treat at all to any computer.

Also, you are conscious that the creator of Messenger Plus!, Patchou, and his program don't need a bad publicity like this! Messenger Plus! is a great addon for MSN Messenger!

With Pathou's own words: "If they were detecting the setup, I could concede that a threat exists, as the user still has the choice to install the sponsor or not. But they are detecting msgplus.exe which does not harm your computer in any way".

To make things even worse for end-users, those who entrust Microsoft AntiSpyware to "remove" Messenger Plus! are in fact stuck with the actual sponsor program.

Thus, by signing this petition, you agree that Microsoft AntiSpyware badly judge Messenger Plus! and you want Microsoft AnitiSpyware to remove Messenger Plus! from there spywares list or at least let it detect only the installer!

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Great initiative! Please make the changes Cookie suggests, as they are quite important.

co-sign, it aint spyware!

Im all for the removal of this rating, But I think patchou should remove his Adware first, this is obviously what Microsoft wants.

no its not, because its not detecting adware, its dectecting msgplus.exe which does not contain spyware/adware

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Originally posted by NiteMare
no its not, because its not detecting adware, its dectecting msgplus.exe which does not contain spyware/adware

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Signed .... m$ sucks for doing this

I'm not trying to be rude or anything, Cookie, but i fixed some spelling and grammar in the petition. Now where do I sign?

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Microsoft AntiSpyware Beta now treats Messenger Plus! as a moderate level spyware threat and asks you to block it from your computer everytime Plus! is running and not only during an AntiSpyware scan.

But, everybody should know that Messenger Plus! itself IS NOT SPYWARE...

It is ONLY the installer which could potentially install ADWARE if the user CHOOSES to do so. Users are clearly asked if they want to install the optional sponsor program or not, while they install Plus!.

Of course, you can refuse to install the optional adware sponsor and install Messenger Plus! without it. The Messenger Plus! program itself (msgplus.exe) or its DLL's do NOT install anything related to spyware nor adware and they are no threat at all to any computer.

Also, you should be conscious of the fact that the creator of Messenger Plus!, Patchou, and his program don't need bad publicity like this! Messenger Plus! is a great addon for MSN Messenger!

With Pathou's own words: "If they were detecting the setup, I could concede that a threat exists, as the user still has the choice to install the sponsor or not. But they are detecting msgplus.exe which does not harm your computer in any way".

To make things even worse for end-users, those who trust Microsoft AntiSpyware and let it "remove" Messenger Plus! are in fact stuck with the actual sponsor program, if they chose to install it.

Thus, by signing this petition, you agree that Microsoft AntiSpyware badly judge Messenger Plus! and you want Microsoft AnitiSpyware to remove Messenger Plus! from there spywares list or at least let it detect only the installer!

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Originally posted by Jaguar
I'm not trying to be rude or anything, Cookie, but i fixed some spelling and grammar in the petition.

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Originally posted by Jaguar
Now where do I sign?

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im sorry but the petition is really pointless. why you say? well if you read the description explained by microsoft, theres nothing wrong with it. lets have a lesson


now not the words "POTENIAL",  "MODERATE RISK" and the best "USERS MAY DECIDE TO IGNORE SUCH PROGRAMS AFTER REVIEW"

So please seriously, theres nothing to complain about

dawgie, the point of the current issue is that MSAS has taken things a step further. A step which doesn't make any/much sense. It now detects Plus! itself everytime it runs.

All the discussions about MSAS atm are about the fact that MSAS fails to detect the INSTALLER ONLY, and instead "detects" malicious software when there isn't any (when you didn't install anything) in msgplus.exe and its dll's.

If MSAS would detect adware/spyware like any other decent scanner would, by detecting the adware/spyware itself, then we wouldn't had these discussions.

And that is what this is all about. It is not about MSAS detecting a sponsor which users need to be warned about (aka only detecting the installer and the sponsor), it is about MSAS detecting stuff which isn't there (aka when you did not install anything for example).... If they walk this path why not simply put a warning each time Windows starts up, as it contains potential leaks and a browser which the user can use to download malicious software? It would be almost equaly rediculus...

Well, I am the author of this petition and I cannot change the text that appears on the petition page... But, I can add an updated section...

I added this text:

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*Only the installer could potentially install an optional adware if the user choose to do so... But, the Messenger Plus! program itself (msgplus.exe) or its dll do not install anything related to spyware nor adware!

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Lamest thing Microsoft ever did. I knew they were lamers, but this? I hope Patchou teaches them one lesson they never forget. Go get 'em Patchou!

* Concord Dawn can see this becoming a movie, "Msgplus Strikes Back!"

btw, let's try to keep this thread about the petition ONLY. Discussion about Plus! being spyware/adware or not can be done in MS AntiSpyware Now Blocks Messenger Plus!

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
btw, let's try to keep this thread about the petition ONLY. Discussion about Plus! being spyware/adware or not can be done in MS AntiSpyware Now Blocks Messenger Plus!

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well i havent signed the petition, because I was wondering if msg plus would need help in hosting... would 330 gigs of transfer help u guys out? that way u wouldnt need such a sponsor?

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Originally posted by Maku_Enterprises
well i havent signed the petition, because I was wondering if msg plus would need help in hosting... would 330 gigs of transfer help u guys out? that way u wouldnt need such a sponsor?

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Like Cookie said in a previous post, we are here to talk about the petition, not to make an eternal debate! If you want to sign it, that's cool! If you don't wanna, that's ok... you do what you want!

Have a nice day everyone !!!

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Dwergs: If you really want to do something, put your name under Sk8michael's online petition against Microsoft's decision.

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I've signed, I really support Patchou and Msgplus! and I know that he needs to have help to support the development of plus! and to also keep it free for the many users that enjoy it's features so I hope that Microsoft change their minds about how they label Plus! etc.

I have signed that petition, as well as the one created by patchou at: http://www.msgplus.net/petition.php

Yes, i too support Patchou all the way wwhen it comes to Messenger Plus!. And i to can say from experience that Microsoft AntiSpyware has caused problems with my cousins computer that had Messenger Plus! installed on it. Just this weekend, i had to fix the problems that MS Anti-Spyware had caused.