Years ago Coca Cola got sued for a one milisecond clip of their logo in a movie, because people all got up near enough at once and went to get a drink of cola, they got sued because they used it do get people to do things against their own will, the techinical term for it is a Subliminal Message. I was wondering if this would work in a gif, like make a sig with watever you want on it that changes from one sig to another (for example) and inbetween the transition have a 1milisecond clip telling people to do things. does anybody else think this would be interesting.

my only greievence is i will never truelly know if it will work, because i can't see what people are doing at their computers.

I'm almost sure it can be done. It'd be so fun to try =p

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Originally posted by Dr4g0n
I'm almost sure it can be done. It'd be so fun to try =p

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lol i'm scared however try and keep a close contrast not make it go a flahing red, something little

Make one that flashes "Plus! rules"

I was gonna make one that said, Sign the MsgPlus petition or face the consiquences, but then no one would be able to read that in a milisecond lol

[update] It would have to be an image of something actually, not something you read. so an image of the msgplus logo would make people wanna download it.

if you start a discussion about it, then its not going to work, because people are going to be concious about it. You should have made the sig, used it for about a week and then posted a thread asking if people were persuaded.

Not possible, since browsers like IE cant display images at under 10ms per frame, so you could spot it.

anyone seen the movie josie and the pussycats

or any show made by darren brown..


they have these all the time.

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Originally posted by saralk
if you start a discussion about it, then its not going to work, because people are going to be concious about it. You should have made the sig, used it for about a week and then posted a thread asking if people were persuaded.

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Originally posted by Stigmata
darren brown..

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Originally posted by Mentality
Anyone Got Any Ideas For A Command?, and maybe a picture  just a small one that would fit into a space on my sig

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sort of but the guy that popped up in fight club didnt actually give commands to the audience. and i dont think its ever been done with a GIF

Or a Sig for that matter

I don't think it can be done with a gif, the frame rate is too slow. You could do it in flash and use it on the neowin forums

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Originally posted by saralk

I don't think it can be done with a gif, the frame rate is too slow.

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again i'm not putting it onto this site anyways so dont worry guys, i tested it in IE7 coz thats what im using at the moment, and its noticable when changing but i cnt read, but the idea is that its not noticed.

i just used a word to test it. im gonna upload to my photo bucket account and leave a link, can people tell me if they can at least read the word.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a383/Mentality1...mmandSigcmplet.gif

I actually managed to read it after the upload, but im still curious about other clients like mozilla...etc

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Originally posted by saralk
I don't think it can be done with a gif

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Originally posted by Mentality
sort of but the guy that popped up in fight club didnt actually give commands to the audience. and i dont think its ever been done with a GIF

Or a Sig for that matter

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Originally posted by multimillion2k
Mentality - the word is water, I couldn't make it out at first, but when I knew where to look it was clear. I don't think it's going to make anyone subconsciously thirsty though.

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No.

Oh, okay - IE6

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Originally posted by Mentality

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Originally posted by multimillion2k
Mentality - the word is water, I couldn't make it out at first, but when I knew where to look it was clear. I don't think it's going to make anyone subconsciously thirsty though.

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lmao thanx, your right also, it was PART of a guy

when people spot the word can they also tell me what internet client they are using. thanx

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maybe you should add a picture of water instead of the letters... or coca-cola, or something like that.. pictures are easier to recognize than letters

goes to fast for me to see
Firefox "The only true Browser"

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Originally posted by Millenium_edition
maybe you should add a picture of water instead of the letters... or coca-cola, or something like that.. pictures are easier to recognize than letters

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Originally posted by Mentality

when people spot the word can they also tell me what internet client they are using. thanx

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i knw use this and see the effect:

This can't be done in a GIF, framerate is way too slow as stated before.

Also, in order to let it work, people must see the picture clearly. A signature/avatar or the likes in a forum is not something which is going to work, it's way to small to be noticed. The reason why it "worked" at the movies is because people couldn't miss it at the huge screen and because such pictures/messages must be shown multiple times during a long period (but of course only for a small split second)...

To create such message you also need to know exactly how they work; it is a specific "science" you need to learn. Just sticking a picture of a hamburger between several other frames isn't going to work.

And last, don't expect such things to always work. If done right, they only work for specific people and are also highly dependable on the environment it is shown. They only work for a small percentage of people... (don't believe the hype of that coca-cola experiment; it was done (at least something like that) but it wasn't that of a success.)

happy experim*you are hungry*enting though


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Originally posted by Mentality

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Originally posted by Millenium_edition
maybe you should add a picture of water instead of the letters... or coca-cola, or something like that.. pictures are easier to recognize than letters

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I'm gonna put a picture later, also the idea is that it isnt as noticeable, its spose to send a subliminal message so you don't know you've seen it, but at the same time your brain still recieves a message to do something. without you consciously realising you been told to do so.

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
happy experim*you are hungry*enting though

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You could also try to experiment with sound... It's the same principle...
Also search for something called "Muzak"; it's the kind of music they sometimes play in stores to let you buy more (so they say)...

Or certain smells

All very good ideas, the sound one interests me most actually, ive heard about that, i do some audio stuff anyways so i think ill experiment. (the smells thing is abit hard to do online, wouldn't that need some sort of plugin )

i doubt it'd work at all in something which was just a picture, it's something that would have to be done througout something like a film or video clip (flash video etc).

it's too noticable in something like a signature which is a still image then changes.

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Originally posted by Kao
i doubt it'd work at all in something which was just a picture, it's something that would have to be done througout something like a film or video clip (flash video etc).

it's too noticable in something like a signature which is a still image then changes.

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yes but what he means is that most people's signatures don't change, no matter how long you look at them for. If it suddenly said "buy McDonalds" or whatever, it would be too noticable.

However, films and video clips are stills that are constantly changing, and you expect them to, so if every 5 minutes, the McDonalds logo appeared for one frame and then dissapeared, it would be less noticable.

and also, as I said before, movies and giant LED bill boards on the street are media which are watched constantly for a long time and on a very big scale/screen. That's also a major difference compared to some moving pics on a site or forum...

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Originally posted by Stigmata
anyone seen the movie josie and the pussycats

or any show made by darren brown..


they have these all the time.

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*gasp* I made one of these! like months ago!

pure ur sig takes too long to load its .png

but anyhoo what they do in movies i believe is create this environment that makes u think u in it, in other words lets say u see a clip where a guy runs on the beach and then he stops and drinks cold icy water, doesnt that make u feel like water too, especially when u havent had any for a long time.

when i was a little kid and when i watched movies where a guy poured himsefl something to drink i always wanted that drink..

so what i think is that they create an environment and put like a coca-cola for example in it. people will see it and they want it because they watched the movie, and you know when u watch a movie you are concertrated so people who make movies take advantage of your concertration..

maybe try to create a picture with an environment (a guy running on the beach with cold icy water bottle in his hand for example)

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Originally posted by SikStyles
pure ur sig takes too long to load its .png

but anyhoo what they do in movies i believe is create this environment that makes u think u in it, in other words lets say u see a clip where a guy runs on the beach and then he stops and drinks cold icy water, doesnt that make u feel like water too, especially when u havent had any for a long time.

when i was a little kid and when i watched movies where a guy poured himsefl something to drink i always wanted that drink..

so what i think is that they create an environment and put like a coca-cola for example in it. people will see it and they want it because they watched the movie, and you know when u watch a movie you are concertrated so people who make movies take advantage of your concertration..

maybe try to create a picture with an environment (a guy running on the beach with cold icy water bottle in his hand for example)

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You cant write a message, it should be a picture. And it wouldnt work on anybody from a forum signature.

Those type of things work because like...When you are at a movie, you always have the urge to buy a drink or popcorn or a snack. Now your eyes capture the image, but it goes by to fast for you to actually recognize it was shown. However, your brain still gets the message and it says "Coca Cola" so you think of Coca Cola and you realise you want a Coca Cola. Its more effective if done several times so the person continuesly thinks/wants a Coca Cola and then finish it off by having actors enjoy a Cola in the movie. My friends mom is a phsyciatrist and his science projects always involve stuff like this. He uses us as expirements, its pretty cool

does anybody else think that if there was a different frame rate, and if I hadnt have spoke about it, that they would have noticed? Truthfully?

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Originally posted by Mentality
does anybody else think that if there was a different frame rate, and if I hadnt have spoke about it, that they would have noticed? Truthfully?

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Originally posted by Purity
*gasp* I made one of these! like months ago!

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lol, ya thanks, BTW, its about a year old that pic.....I don't wear glasses anymore.

I just put the pic in photoshop, grayscaled it and played with the levels.  (ctrl-L)

try find the clip of that comercial of coca cola i wann asee it
plis anyone

GUANAKO!
you are here!
which commercial are u talking about?

the one he talks about in the begginin of the thread

oh...
look at this its awesome ... i think they are edited tho..
http://jeffmilner.com/backmasking.htm

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Originally posted by damm-o
oh...
look at this its awesome ... i think they are edited tho..
http://jeffmilner.com/backmasking.htm

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Originally posted by damm-o
oh...
look at this its awesome ... i think they are edited tho..
http://jeffmilner.com/backmasking.htm

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Slipknots latest album has some subliminal messages....

The coca cola thing was put into a movie not an add, i will try and find it for you guanko



this is'nt a subliminal message but funny if you can see it.

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Originally posted by Mentality
The coca cola thing was put into a movie not an add, i will try and find it for you guanko



this is'nt a subliminal message but funny if you can see it.

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Lol yeah, im slow took me ages to see it lol. thats more of an illusion than a subliminal message though,  (i tried it on my girlfriend and it had no effect at all.)

That has probably been digitally enhanced to do it, how else would it be such high quality?

It took me ages to see, I saw the penis, then was like... wtf ?? WOW

that pic has been on loads of shows, the guy who did it saisomething liek he only did it for a lugh and never expected anyone ever to see/find it

wow it took me like 5min to figured it out i c it now

lol - when uve seen it it seems really obvious on the main pic

i emailed someone the other day tryna get the damn video clip of the coca cola movie thing, no reply yet but ill keep trying, if anyone else can find it in the mean time, please post it.

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Originally posted by damm-o
oh...
look at this its awesome ... i think they are edited tho..
http://jeffmilner.com/backmasking.htm

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Originally posted by traxor
It took me ages to see, I saw the penis, then was like... wtf ?? WOW

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For that Coca Cola Flash Subliminal...

Who would notice that? O_o I didnt even see it when they selected and enlarged it. Some people must spend ALL day looking for ways to sue people.

And for that reverse music stuff, Its all crap. You couldnt tell what any of it was without the lyrics and even with them it sounds nothing like that. The only good one is the one by Eminem. I think that it MIGHT of been done on purpose because its to good and relevant to the song.

u all i knopw i dont give a fuck about illegal acticioty, but to show some1 a sub-liminal message u have to warn em first. althoguh u dont have to tell em wat will acctually do and yes, it can be dun a jpg

im a MASSIVE derren brown fan btw... massive....

and btw, the coca cola thing is shit, sorry.... but it is

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Originally posted by MC Inferno
and btw, the coca cola thing is shit, sorry.... but it is 

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I doubt it could be done wrell in an animation or anything!

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Originally posted by MC Inferno
but to show some1 a sub-liminal message u have to warn em first

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Originally posted by Norma Jean
Eminem. I think that it MIGHT of been done

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Originally posted by Negro_Joe
I think the whole idea of subliminal messaging is that they dont know its there.

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