Basically, i was thinking about what people might want to see on msn...and was talking with a few people about new features and stuff. I came up with a couple.. ones my favorite - open/close notifier.

Now ive only found one working version, on Messenger Discovery X, which i think rox, and so did stuffplug NG (or has it changed back to stuff plug yet? ) up untill msn 7.0 where it all went pair shaped. Msgplus should do something about open/close notifier.

Amongst other things i thought of were:

Nickname logs - bring back up previous nicknames (useful in my opinion for when changing names for a short second)

Email Viewing - Aswell as seeing what song the contact is playing, maybe seeing what website there looking at aswell could be very interesting..obviously it will have to be looked into because of tabbed IE's and various IE's being opened, different browsers ect..but would sure make MSN that little extra exciting

Custom Emoticons in names - Using your own custom emoticons in your msn name, self explanitory.

Something to do with the groups on msn - No attention is really paid to the seperate groups we use, they havent got colour, emoticons, pictures ect.. goddamn its 2005!

Webcams - See if the persons using there webcams.. if you have two contacts who know each other, ex. "Jonny is in a Webcam Conversation with Jenny"

What does everyone think? And has anyone got any other ideas? Post Em!

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Originally posted by LittleK
Now ive only found one working version, on Messenger Discovery X, which i think rox, and so did stuffplug NG (or has it changed back to stuff plug yet? ) up untill msn 7.0 where it all went pair shaped. Msgplus should do something about open/close notifier.

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Originally posted by LittleK
Email Viewing - Aswell as seeing what song the contact is playing, maybe seeing what website there looking at aswell could be very interesting..obviously it will have to be looked into because of tabbed IE's and various IE's being opened, different browsers ect..but would sure make MSN that little extra exciting

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Originally posted by LittleK
Custom Emoticons in names - Using your own custom emoticons in your msn name, self explanitory.

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Originally posted by LittleK
Webcams - See if the persons using there webcams.. if you have two contacts who know each other, ex. "Jonny is in a Webcam Conversation with Jenny"

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Most of the ideas you suggested are illegal due to an invasion of privacy

Open/Close - is unreliable due to the way MSN works
Email viewing is already there, websites they are viewing is invasion of privacy
Custom emotes in names can not be done
Groups?
Webcams - another invasion of privacy.

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Originally posted by LittleK
Now ive only found one working version, on Messenger Discovery X, which i think rox, and so did stuffplug NG (or has it changed back to stuff plug yet? ) up untill msn 7.0 where it all went pair shaped. Msgplus should do something about open/close notifier.

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The protocol MSN Messenger uses changed with version 7. There is no longer a reliable way to tell when someone opens or closes a conversation window.

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Originally posted by LittleK
Email Viewing - Aswell as seeing what song the contact is playing, maybe seeing what website there looking at aswell could be very interesting..obviously it will have to be looked into because of tabbed IE's and various IE's being opened, different browsers ect..but would sure make MSN that little extra exciting

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Invasion of Privacy.

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Originally posted by LittleK
Custom Emoticons in names - Using your own custom emoticons in your msn name, self explanitory.

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Not possible due to the fact that the remote contacts do not have the custom emoticons and what tags identify them on their computers.

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Originally posted by LittleK
Webcams - See if the persons using there webcams.. if you have two contacts who know each other, ex. "Jonny is in a Webcam Conversation with Jenny"

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Invasion of Privacy. logistical nightmare. Might have to invole the msn servers themselves keeping tabs on them, but then thats too much load on the server, for no real benefit. Good luck getting msn to agree to that.

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Its still invasion of privacy by getting the information and ivading their privacy by knowing what song they listen to and when clicked takes you to buy the song hardly isnt...

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Originally posted by mwe99
Most of the ideas you suggested are illegal due to an invasion of privacy

Open/Close - is unreliable due to the way MSN works
Email viewing is already there, websites they are viewing is invasion of privacy
Custom emotes in names can not be done
Groups?
Webcams - another invasion of privacy.

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Originally posted by optimism_
    quoteriginally posted by LittleK
    Email Viewing - Aswell as seeing what song the contact is playing, maybe seeing what website there looking at aswell could be very interesting..obviously it will have to be looked into because of tabbed IE's and various IE's being opened, different browsers ect..but would sure make MSN that little extra exciting



Invasion of Privacy.

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    quoteriginally posted by LittleK
    Webcams - See if the persons using there webcams.. if you have two contacts who know each other, ex. "Jonny is in a Webcam Conversation with Jenny"



Invasion of Privacy. logistical nightmare. Might have to invole the msn servers themselves keeping tabs on them, but then thats too much load on the server, for no real benefit. Good luck getting msn to agree to that.

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Originally posted by LittleK
For one, you could say alot of things released are invasion of privacys, everytime you look at someones song, thats invading there privacy, but like i said, the contact has a CHOICE in the matter, wether they choose to show people. Its always nice to have a choice. And ok, if its completley not possible, then fair enough, but didnt people think the world was flat?

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And what if you have more than one window open. and what if a site has popups? and what if you use IE or opera or firefox, or avant, or lynx, or mozilla or act10 etc etc etc. how is msgplus supposed to know where to get the address to show?

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I don't think it would be an invasion of privacy if they put a checkbox that they wanted people to see it... Like the... "turn on the what am I listening to".... it could be... "turn on the where am i surfing the net" feature... I dunno... it'd have to be worded different... haha... could be a hastle for people that are frequent into XXX sites though.

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Originally posted by LittleK
Indeed, check boxs were the idea i had aswell, as long as they CONSENT and they know what there doing, its all legal... which reminds me of the XXX part.. i dont think they should switch it on whilst there BUSY.. lol

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Originally posted by LittleK
Email Viewing - Aswell as seeing what song the contact is playing, maybe seeing what website there looking at aswell could be very interesting..obviously it will have to be looked into because of tabbed IE's and various IE's being opened, different browsers ect..but would sure make MSN that little extra exciting

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Originally posted by qgroessl
Lol yes... with the Winamp plug-ins on the What Am I Listening to feature I had that problem for a while ... I downgraded my version of winamp to where I can't watch videos now though.... PROBLEM SOLVED THERE!

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Originally posted by LittleK
Optimism, thats what i said on my first post, it would obviously have to be looked into, but true it may not be worth the hassle.. worth seeing what people think of it though before throwing the idea entirely out the window..maybe a check box:-
"Window 1: [www.xxx.com] would you like this to be shown? [No]"
"Window 2 : [www.msgplus.net] would you like this to be shown? [Yes]"

Catch my drift?

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Originally posted by qgroessl
Yeah... I like this idea alot.... it would be completely legal like you said if they consent to showing it to other people..... Maybe just a little tick box that would ask everytime you went to a new website whether or not it should be allowed, to remember your choice.... and like... stuff like always allow hotmail.com or whatever branches of it or whatever... I like the idea...

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So you have to tick a box everytime you open the IE to view a page.... hmm i wouldnt

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Originally posted by mwe99
RE: Msn Features.. New Feature Ideas...

So you have to tick a box everytime you open the IE to view a page.... hmm i wouldnt

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But that involves modifying IE then...

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Originally posted by LittleK

eg tools > options > security
"Ask everytime i open IE"
"Configure myself"
"Dont ask on the following websites :"

ECT, or plugins > email viewer > configure .. .. ..

Could be many ways of doing it

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But that involves modifying IE then...

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The now playing feature is only there because of MSN Music, click on one of those links in the contactlist and you'll see (they offer legal - payed - downloads)

I would not like it one bit if you could see wich site i am looking at..it's nobodies business but my own (invasion of privacy)

What i think of your other suggestions i already said on irc so no need to repeat that (invasion of privacy, impossible due to how msnm works etc.)

For the nicknames you can make quicktexts:
/nick LittleK
alias: n1
this way you only have to type /n1 (or other aliases if you set more) and press <enter> to alter your nick.

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Originally posted by Sunshine
The now playing feature is only there because of MSN Music, click on one of those links in the contactlist and you'll see (they offer legal - payed - downloads)

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Originally posted by Sunshine
I would not like it one bit if you could see wich site i am looking at..it's nobodies business but my own (invasion of privacy)

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What i think of your other suggestions i already said on irc so no need to repeat that (invasion of privacy, impossible due to how msnm works etc.)

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Originally posted by Sunshine
For the nicknames you can make quicktexts:
/nick LittleK
alias: n1
this way you only have to type /n1 (or other aliases if you set more) and press <enter> to alter your nick.

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chavs always come up with poor decisions


guess some may find them pointless things interesting, but not many.....could be a lugh tho if u catch a mate on an adult website

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Originally posted by toddy
guess some may find them pointless things interesting, but not many.....could be a lugh tho if u catch a mate on an adult website

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I would like to see them de-bug it a bit before adding yet more features. I keep getting loads of weird bugs on it. No problems ever with MSN6, or when I connect using other systems such as Trillian or GAIM (so it is MSN7).

I think MSN7 is bloated enough, and some of the "features" they have added since 6 aren't even useful to the purpose of conversation (MsgPlus adds all the features that MSN SHOULD have added - great job Patchou ).

Aren't we supposed to be concentrating on talking to our mates on it? Not playing with nudges and winks, emoticons and such.... They're cool, but they should concentrate on basic functionality, before the fancy stuff...

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Originally posted by LittleK

everythings legal if there is consent from both parties. Fact.

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Lmfao... Need to be careful [FUCK.EXE]

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chavs always come up with poor decisions

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new features ummmm. i dunno maybe somehting to make it a bit more customisable to the common user, without having to download and install skins! im not sure how im still thinking

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Mmm, okay. I'm going to send optimism_ this piece of copyrighted material, and because he allows me to send it, it's legal.

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Originally posted by segosa
    Originally posted by LittleK

    Lmfao... Need to be careful [FUCK.EXE]



I didn't realise videos were kept in exes.

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Originally posted by segosa
    quoteriginally posted by toddy

    chavs always come up with poor decisions



I agree. This thread is proof of that.

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Hmm, what he means is the file type, the file type is a *.exe, and that is the extension of programs, and if it is like this, then it will definitely be a virus...?

I have to add though, some people must be really stupid when they accept stuff like this?.

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Originally posted by segosa
Mmm, okay. I'm going to send optimism_ this piece of copyrighted material, and because he allows me to send it, it's legal.

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Unless your brain is too tiny, your smart enough to figure out yourself that sending copyrighted material IS illegal because the people who have copyrighted it, havent consented. Come on, think a little.

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    Originally posted by LittleK

    Lmfao... Need to be careful [FUCK.EXE]



I didn't realise videos were kept in exes.

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I didnt realise how many FUCK files you actually watched.

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Originally posted by segosa
    quoteriginally posted by toddy

    chavs always come up with poor decisions



I agree. This thread is proof of that.

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poor decisions? Im not making a decision, im making a suggestion.. so toddy as much as i luv you, wrong use of english words!

And segosa, give me an example of this "chav decision" although it has nothing to do with the post If you dont like the thread, dont comment.

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poor decisions? Im not making a decision, im making a suggestion.. so toddy as much as i luv you, wrong use of english words!

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Originally posted by Fourjays
Aren't we supposed to be concentrating on talking to our mates on it? Not playing with nudges and winks, emoticons and such.... They're cool, but they should concentrate on basic functionality, before the fancy stuff..

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Unless your brain is too tiny, your smart enough to figure out yourself that sending copyrighted material IS illegal because the people who have copyrighted it, havent consented. Come on, think a little.

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I didnt realise how many FUCK files you actually watched.

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And segosa, give me an example of this "chav decision"

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They're not involved, are they? They don't know if I send it to optimism_ so their consent isn't needed. Just following up your genius ideas sweetheart.

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Umm.. right... and what makes you say that? because I know that video is not stored inside an executable, but actually stored inside a video wrapper like .avi, .wmp, etc, I watch a lot of "FUCK" files? Love your logic.

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"omg, groups are plain text! NOEEEEEEEEEEEES WE'RE IN 2005! they need colours! and emoticons! so I can have "FRIENDS " ! YAY"

Looks pretty chav to me.

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Umm.. right... and what makes you say that? because I know that video is not stored inside an executable, but actually stored inside a video wrapper like .avi, .wmp, etc, I watch a lot of "FUCK" files? Love your logic.

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first off, yeah lots of insults being thrown both ways...

nobody mentioned the "search button" ... and explained that lots of info about the things she mentioned already exists on here.

anyway three things:

1. the open convo notifier-
read cookie's post abot the reliability of openconvo notifiers

they ARE still reliable (because they do notify when a person opens the conversation window with you or closes it), the only problem is that they can sometimes also give you a false "open convo" notification when the client requests a dp update (usually after signing in, you may get one false notification per contact).

here is a link to a pretty cool openconvo notifier

2. as for nickname logs.. there is a plugin you can find here:
http://www.msgplus.net/pluginsdb/down/?action=file&id=88

it:
"saves nicknames on command, or log them as they change, and you can also restore a saved nickname"

i'm not sure if this is exactly what you were looking for though


3. as for groups:
this thread talks a bit about how you can add colors to different groups . check it out
http://shoutbox.menthix.net/showthread.php?tid=39...d=391143#pid391143

Edit: i also want to add, that you had a pretty cool idea.. mentioning things that could be usefull in msn etc. but next time know to do a bit of research, there is TONS of info on here about many things. chances are that somebody already made a similar suggestion and that it has been discussed already.

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Cool, but what about the nickname you had a week ago? Or a month ago? Or the night before?

Its an add on like many add ons, something which is interesting, and something i personally think some people may be interested in.

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2. as for nickname logs.. there is a plugin you can find here:
http://www.msgplus.net/pluginsdb/down/?action=file&id=88

it:
"saves nicknames on command, or log them as they change, and you can also restore a saved nickname"

i'm not sure if this is exactly what you were looking for though

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Originally posted by Time
That plugin seems to be quite old, uploaded in 2004 sometime, so it might not be compatible. It's worth a try though.

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didn't work for me with 7.5. caused msn to crash everytime I signed on.

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Edit: i also want to add, that you had a pretty cool idea.. mentioning things that could be usefull in msn etc. but next time know to do a bit of research, there is TONS of info on here about many things. chances are that somebody already made a similar suggestion and that it has been discussed already

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Not quite sure why this turned into a 'lets hurl abuse' thread, but anyway... I'm not sure whether the showing website suggestion is that great, too many changes would have to be made and also, as many people have said - Invasion of privacy.

Also, the seeing who's camming with who - Would you want people to see who you were camming with? I know I wouldn't People constantly asking 'why you camming with so-n-so..' etc.

I guess letting people choose whether they want people to see that would be a good idea. So then people can CHOOSE whether they want others to see what they're doing or whatever. But I just don't think it would be very popular. Seems useless.

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Originally posted by FrozenDaggers
Not quite sure why this turned into a 'lets hurl abuse' thread, but anyway... I'm not sure whether the showing website suggestion is that great, too many changes would have to be made and also, as many people have said - Invasion of privacy.

Also, the seeing who's camming with who - Would you want people to see who you were camming with? I know I wouldn't People constantly asking 'why you camming with so-n-so..' etc.

I guess letting people choose whether they want people to see that would be a good idea. So then people can CHOOSE whether they want others to see what they're doing or whatever. But I just don't think it would be very popular. Seems useless.

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Originally posted by Time
didn't work for me with 7.5. caused msn to crash everytime I signed on.

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eitherway, if this plugin was the only thing causing your msn to crash, than you are right to warn others that it may happen to them too

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Originally posted by FrozenDaggers
Not quite sure why this turned into a 'lets hurl abuse' thread, but anyway... I'm not sure whether the showing website suggestion is that great, too many changes would have to be made and also, as many people have said - Invasion of privacy.

Also, the seeing who's camming with who - Would you want people to see who you were camming with? I know I wouldn't People constantly asking 'why you camming with so-n-so..' etc.

I guess letting people choose whether they want people to see that would be a good idea. So then people can CHOOSE whether they want others to see what they're doing or whatever. But I just don't think it would be very popular. Seems useless.

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Then you could also argue that open convo/closing convo is an invasion of privacy, u could say webcams are an invasion of privacy, you could say the songs were bla bla.. im tired of saying the same thing, as long as you CONSENT, theres no invasion of privacy, and ok you wouldnt like it yet some people might.

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Originally posted by FrozenDaggers

Firstly; Calm down. I was just expressing my opinion.
Second; Open/Close convo thing is pointless IMHO, webcams you have consent for, and also music feature is consent and is there to advertise downloads on MSN Music really.
Thirdly; I also said the consent idea was good.

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I don't use stuffplug anymore Joa, so it can't be that. stuffplug caused another bug with a 7.5 skin I tried so it went.

The ideas where people said it would be invasion of privacy, well its right it would be, but not if it could be di-activated like with the "What I Am Listening To" if the music one couldnt be di-activated then that would be invasion of privacy also.

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Originally posted by Mentality
The ideas where people said it would be invasion of privacy, well its right it would be, but not if it could be di-activated like with the "What I Am Listening To" if the music one couldnt be di-activated the that would be invasion of privacy also.

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My point exactly 

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Originally posted by Mentality
Good ideas too, I Like'em

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I use mech patch too. With it I can do things like polygamy, remove advertisement banner of the principal msn messenger window, and of the converstions. And Very much things.

Mess Patch can be downloaded for any Msn Messenger version 7.0 or up. (include 7.5.0299) in:
www.mess.be