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Skandinavian characters in Messenger Plus... by WildlifeWolfie on 09-16-2005 at 08:59 PM

In the "what I'm listening to", if I have scndinavian characters in the name of the song, they don't show right. Not big deal for the most people but for us......


RE: Skandinavian characters in Messenger Plus... by Aeryn on 09-16-2005 at 09:34 PM

May I ask, which characters exactly is there a trouble with?


RE: Skandinavian characters in Messenger Plus... by WildlifeWolfie on 09-16-2005 at 09:43 PM

Well everyone of them, maybe the characterset is not made for the scandinavian characters...


RE: Skandinavian characters in Messenger Plus... by Menthix on 09-16-2005 at 10:29 PM

You use the "What i'm listening to" feature in combination with Media Player (default)? Or do you use another plugin for Winamp, Itunes or whatever?

Messenger Plus! itself doesn't interact with the "What i'm listening to" feature, so it isn't a MsgPlus! bug (you posted in  Messenger Plus! Extension » Bug Reports"


RE: Skandinavian characters in Messenger Plus... by WildlifeWolfie on 09-16-2005 at 10:31 PM

I'm using Winamp 5.1

Here is a screenshot how it looks ...

and in the second how it looks when i'm listening with mediaplayer


RE: Skandinavian characters in Messenger Plus... by WildlifeWolfie on 09-17-2005 at 07:56 PM

sorry... again.. how it looks when i'm listening to it with Winamp


RE: Skandinavian characters in Messenger Plus... by hexel on 09-17-2005 at 08:15 PM

I'm having the same problem actually, but I don't use Winamp/WMP very often anyway, so I thought there's no need to mention it. But since we're on the subject already.. I don't see the letter 'õ' in song names.


RE: Skandinavian characters in Messenger Plus... by KeeM on 09-17-2005 at 09:00 PM

ah well, have that thingy to, but who cares, just start lissening to bands without the åäö and so on! ;)


RE: Skandinavian characters in Messenger Plus... by WildlifeWolfie on 09-17-2005 at 09:05 PM

(H) Well in most cases there are no äåö.... but still, want to make great software more perfect....8-|


RE: Skandinavian characters in Messenger Plus... by KeeM on 09-17-2005 at 09:08 PM

lol, in my eyes MSGplus is already prefected! :P But well, small things.. as always! :)


RE: Skandinavian characters in Messenger Plus... by hexel on 09-17-2005 at 09:09 PM

In Tõnis Mägi there is definitely äåö and since he's one of my favourite singers, it's complicated to just start listening to bands without these characters. But this bug doesn't effect me much anyways, so I think I'll live. :P


RE: Skandinavian characters in Messenger Plus... by x2zen on 09-18-2005 at 06:59 AM

This is not a bug with MsgPlus!, but with the plugin for Winamp you uses, try to use this one:
It supports the danish characters (æ ø å) so I guess it will support other Scandinavian characters :)


RE: Skandinavian characters in Messenger Plus... by WildlifeWolfie on 09-18-2005 at 08:10 PM

Thanks (Y) now it works


RE: RE: Skandinavian characters in Messenger Plus... by Leif on 09-19-2005 at 10:32 PM

quote:
Originally posted by KeeM
ah well, have that thingy to, but who cares, just start lissening to bands without the åäö and so on! ;)

In my opinion it really should show our fancy umlauts OK. Why shouldn't it? No big deal, but...
RE: Skandinavian characters in Messenger Plus... by CookieRevised on 09-19-2005 at 11:11 PM

The problem is unicode...

Such characters are unicode characters and not all plugin makers make their plugin unicode compatible or aren't even aware of such 'problems' or don't fully understand the implications of some code they used (aka 'copied')...

MSN Messenger is fully unicode compatible and for this personal message it also expects to recieve unicode messages when you send that "what I'm listening to" string.

Some plugins aren't written like they should and thus contain bugs (without the developers knowing about it because they simply copy/pasted code from somewhere else without understanding the code or don't know the full proper techniques to do something in the correct way)

eg: to change that personal message you must send a specific windows command/message. This command exists in two flavors: Unicode and normal Ascii. If the developer used the normal Ascii command to send his string but in the wrong way[*], then unicode characters will be automatically converted to ascii characters and you'll get those wierd looking stuff...

*eg: in VB, sending a literal string (which is always unicode in VB) instead of a pointer

Another reason can be that you're still using a Windows version wich doesn't support unicode nativly (eg: Win95/98/Me). Thus even using that unicode command to send a unicode string will simply result in the ascii text again (or even fail). In order to make your Windows unicode compatible you need to install the Unicode Layer for Windows (but still doesn't garantuee that everything in Windows is fully unicode compatible though)...

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All in all this isn't a bug in MSN Messenger (and certainly also not in Messenger Plus!), but a bug in the plugin you're using for WinAmp, WMP, or whatever media player you're using...

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note: for those who are interested in the technical details about this 'unicode discussion' and especially about the personal message and those special windows commands to send it, take a look at a very old discussion on MSNFanatic. The main part of the thread is talk about the VB code that was posted to send personal messages and how to fix it so it implements unicode properly. So that thread there nicely shows what I talked about in this post and about the fact that many people forget or don't know how to make their stuff unicode compatible (eventhough they can be excellent programmers otherwise, don't get me wrong on that ;)).