Hello every body,

In only 4 weeks, you've been more than 400,000 to sign the MSAS petition. This number is simply incredible, especially if you consider that when the petition was closed, tens of thousands of new signatures were still being added every day. In any case, we think that 401,683 signature (final number obtained after excluding invalid/duplicate entries) should be enough to attain our objectives and if it doesn't, more signatures would probably not have been of much help.

The complete listing of signatures, which includes your contact information and comments, has been printed and sent to Microsoft today. The document was formatted with Times New Roman 9pt with borders size at minimum but still achieved to be 10,137 pages long! That's about 110 pounds (50Kg) of written support so thanks again for your help everyone . Of course, as the petition was sent under all of your names, the results will be made public when and if Microsoft sends us a reply. I sincerely don't want this issue to go any further and I'm counting on Microsoft to realize that it's in the best interest of everyone to solve that detection/removal problem. Keep checking this page (or use the RSS feed) to know what happens next!

Patchou

omg
10000 pages?
* Chrono wonders how much did it cost to print such a big ammount of paper

omg thats insane good job patchou
thats alot of people you got to sign it

I wonder if it'll fit through Microsofts door...

I wonder what they'll do with all that paper.

Wow that is absolutely amazing ...shows what support this really has~!

Awesome Patchou, i'm sure a 110 pounds of paper can hardly go un-noticed, even by M$.

You'll always have our support Patchou, no matter what!!

Woh! That's a lot of paper! How are you sending it out? Bit by bit or what?

Good new

Now only wait for Microsoft answer...

Awesome patchou. This is great

Now that's what I call support!

Let's see if Billy can knock some sense into the MSAS team.

this might be big enough to go on a news channel

haha 10000 pappers... send me a copy!
Rock it on people!

Wow, that's loads! Go MsgPlus!



Pictures?

That big amount of paper must be very expensive. I hope it was recycled paper!!

I cant wait for the reply

Patch, how much did it cost you in total Postal + ink + paper etc

50Kg? That's heavier than how I weigh


Did you take a pic of the sheets before you sent it to Microsoft, Patchi?

lets hope he get a reply soon, to see how everythign turns out, dont worrie patchou i bet something good will come out this

Great work by everyone lets just hope they take notice of it. and of course all the paper to be recycled afterwards

w0000 Patchou! Great job!

btw, how much DID it cost?

Very good basiclly they have to listen now

* absorbation wonders what will happen if things got lost in the post

let's go weight-lifting with the petition

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Originally posted by MR_5_MR
this might be big enough to go on a news channel

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No Pictures of the petition on it's way out the door?

right.. i can see patchou giving the box to the mail man

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Originally posted by Anubis
tbh, the BBC in the UK would easily cover this story either on the news or on their tech shows.  They like covering stuff like this at the end of the news as a less serious based story. I would post on one of their forums or send them an e-mail to see if they would like to cover it, this would put some more preasure on the MS Anti-Spyware devision to get the situation sorted.

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This is great! I used to use MS-AS but after how ignorant they have been i switched to Ad-Aware and will not switch back. Glad to see all the support, i hope it knocks some sense into them. Good luck Patchou!

Congrats Patchou, and thanks to everyone that helped out in signing this VERY important petition.  I'd love to see their faces when they open it up. 

Makes me proud to be a MsgPlus! Communinty Member.

Don't use Microsoft AntiSpyware, that all lol

And I think Microsoft will not have a reaction lol

Well done. I am looking forward for a publiv apology from the guys at Microsoft.

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Originally posted by Patchou
Hello every body,

In only 4 weeks, you've been more than 400,000 to sign the MSAS petition. This number is simply incredible, especially if you consider that when the petition was closed, tens of thousands of new signatures were still being added every day. In any case, we think that 401,683 signature (final number obtained after excluding invalid/duplicate entries) should be enough to attain our objectives and if it doesn't, more signatures would probably not have been of much help.

The complete listing of signatures, which includes your contact information and comments, has been printed and sent to Microsoft today. The document was formatted with Times New Roman 9pt with borders size at minimum but still achieved to be 10,137 pages long! That's about 110 pounds (50Kg) of written support so thanks again for your help everyone . Of course, as the petition was sent under all of your names, the results will be made public when and if Microsoft sends us a reply. I sincerely don't want this issue to go any further and I'm counting on Microsoft to realize that it's in the best interest of everyone to solve that detection/removal problem. Keep checking this page (or use the RSS feed) to know what happens next!

Patchou

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No offence, but all it takes is to ignore msgplus once in the MS:AS, and it wont ever try and remove it... Bit of a waste of trees in my opinion

I don't see why people should choose to ignore it though?

The false detection shouldn't be there in the first place really...

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Originally posted by kangie
No offence, but all it takes is to ignore msgplus once in the MS:AS, and it wont ever try and remove it... Bit of a waste of trees in my opinion

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Originally posted by petition
In a recent update of Microsoft Anti-Spyware, the threat level of Messenger Plus! was lowered from 3/5 to 2/5, which was a good thing, however, the program itself, msgplus.exe, is now detected immediately at system startup or whenever run manually by the user, and the following message is displayed in bold red: "Warning, Messenger Plus! Software Bundler is trying to install!". In addition to discouraging anybody in their right mind to click "Allow", this message is, to put it simply, a lie. Messenger Plus! is not a "threat" and it certainly is not trying to "install itself on your computer", it's already been installed at this point and the program is just trying to run and do what the user expects it to do.

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oh woah 50kg of paper that should be pretty noticable, i'd love to see the faces on the MSAS team when they see this come through to them and open it up

where are the pictures of the 10,000 pages??

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Originally posted by Anubis
tbh, the BBC in the UK would easily cover this story either on the news or on their tech shows.  They like covering stuff like this at the end of the news as a less serious based story. I would post on one of their forums or send them an e-mail to see if they would like to cover it, this would put some more preasure on the MS Anti-Spyware devision to get the situation sorted.

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If alot of us do that then they will cover it, post the email

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What kind of printer can take that much printing all in one go? Did you rent the National Newspaper's printing presses for a week?
I'm glad Microsoft got what they deserve

I've posted about this on the BBC site. Hipefully my story will be shown on their website.

poor mailman lol

good luck with this i hope they change

Great! that number shows how much people loves and supports Plus! lets wait for a good reply of Microsoft, and  AS Team.

That's what they deserve, good job Patchou!!!. My only question is "Why would Microsoft block it in the first place?". One answer I can think of is that Microsoft might eventually release an "add-on" that highly resembles "Messenger Plus", and are trying to get people to stop using Plus!.

Just a guess, I really have no sources.

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Originally posted by stukindaguy
That's what they deserve, good job Patchou!!!. My only question is "Why would Microsoft block it in the first place?". One answer I can think of is that Microsoft might eventually release an "add-on" that highly resembles "Messenger Plus", and are trying to get people to stop using Plus!.

Just a guess, I really have no sources.

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I know that, but is that the REAL reason or is that Microsoft's way of covering it up, because it doesn't make ANY sense that they would block "Msgplus.exe".


LOL, conspiracy theory.

10 000 pages?! 400 000 signatures?!
That's incredible!
Now hope M$ sees that they have 2 change their MSAS!

Thnx 2 all who signed the petition! (including me )

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Originally posted by stukindaguy
That's what they deserve, good job Patchou!!!. My only question is "Why would Microsoft block it in the first place?". One answer I can think of is that Microsoft might eventually release an "add-on" that highly resembles "Messenger Plus", and are trying to get people to stop using Plus!.

Just a guess, I really have no sources.




it contains an optional sponsor

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Whoooo spread the suport people nice one guys

Awesome, 10000 pages, woop woop

i wonder how long it will take untill they answer, patchou sended so many pages and he might only recive one from microsoft...

I really enjoy what Patchou does to keep this program running.
But if all our atempt dont get thru to Microsoft I will be one of the most maddest people in the world.

Nice Job Patch! I would like to see some pictures though

I don't have pictures of the boxes, sorry . The petition was printed at a specialised store with a big laser printer. The paper used was light and Microsoft have a recycling program so the impact on Canadian's forest should be negligible .

Everything was sent in 4 separate boxes by UPS. Should take about a week for the MSAS team to get the package, I hope they will take this matter seriously. If you can do anything to post this news anywhere else, please do so .

You should deliver it personally and drop in on their desk and see if you can snap it

Hope it will make microsoft make a change in their definitions.

   Congratulations, Patchou, for showing Microsoft the extent to which Msessenger Plus is supported by the MSN Messenger community.  The petition will be difficult for Microsoft to ignore.  Kudos also to the multitudes of Messenger supporters for getting together to make a massive statement to the behemoth from Redmond. Hopefully this effort will also demonstrate to Microsoft the wisdom of cleaning up the mess now known as Microsoft AntiSpyware .

thats quite amazing. if Microsoft dosnt change its software for the better it'll at least bring a large amount of publicity, be it good or bad, to both msgplus and Microsoft Anti Spyware.

Hey pacthou if you removed the invalid written ones what was the files size? 10000 pages must be at least like 100mb?

Anyways could you post the document because I would really like to see some peoples comments

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Originally posted by Patchou
10,137 pages long! That's about 110 pounds (50Kg)

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Originally posted by Patchou
If you can do anything to post this news anywhere else, please do so

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I dont really post here, but I just wanted to say, ive just gained even more respect for you Patchou for doing this, and sticking to your principles. I hope it gets the reaction it deserves and M$ remove Plus! from their definition files.

Go Patchou!

The war continues...

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Originally posted by Patchou
I don't have pictures of the boxes

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Tis nice to know that so many people support Messenger Plus!. Weres the pictures Patchou ? Did you have fun putting all those in envelopes?

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Originally posted by XxRebelSeanxX
Tis nice to know that so many people support Messenger Plus!. Weres the pictures Patchou ? Did you have fun putting all those in envelopes?

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Nice one I hope it makes an impact

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Originally posted by Renegade
I hope it makes an impact

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1,000,000+ sigs (and that was a long time ago that it hit that mark) for the MSN Messenger for Mac petition and MS didnt do anything until recently.

Sorry but unless this gets some serious media publicity I see it going nowhere.

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Originally posted by riahc4
1,000,000+ sigs (and that was a long time ago that it hit that mark) for the MSN Messenger for Mac petition and MS didnt do anything until recently.

Sorry but unless this gets some serious media publicity I see it going nowhere.

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Nice work.

Should have sent them one at a time, each in its own A4 envelope (unfolded)

No offense, but it seems like a big waste of paper even if MS has a recycling program (esp at a time where our forests are being depeleted)

Anyway, i hope all goes well for plus

Wow...thats awesome!

It's great to see so many people are getting behind Plus! and supporting you Patchou

Goodluck

Good Job Patchou

Guys Now we have to take this to media. Mail this story to every media that you know. If we can bring it on TV, it will be publicity for Plus & also put pressure on MSAS[S]

I have sent this story to Clickonline at BBCworld

Wow, the last time I logged into these forums was back in 2003 on the 1st of November...

It's good to see that you have the support that you do, Patchou, however, as previously said, I'm not sure about the impact that this will have... Sure, it's a lot of paper, and there is no possible way that it could be considered unnoticeable, however, petitions usually have no effect what-so-ever on their cause. You have my full support, I just personally don't think that it will make a difference, unless of course this makes it onto TV and some of the bigger news sites, otherwise it'll just be a thing within the MSN Messenger community that doesn't effect anyone else (YET).

Best of luck,

Laser_iCE

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Originally posted by riahc4
1,000,000+ sigs (and that was a long time ago that it hit that mark) for the MSN Messenger for Mac petition and MS didnt do anything until recently.

Sorry but unless this gets some serious media publicity I see it going nowhere.

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That's great Patchou. I signed and i'm proud to have my name in one of those boxes I hope Microsoft consider the situation, and that Plus! gets the good publicity that it deserves; and no more bad words about it and the sponsor which are completely different.

Another way around it would be to go the Messenger Discovery way (I personaly dont use the program) and show ads for 15 seconds or so in the install and remove the sponsor program completely so they would have no reason to have any flag for it

Wow! Good job! I hope they decide to change their minds and devote their ressources to real problems. It's so easy for them to take the risk advert. out instead of dealing with this.

This has to put some sense in them.

I just hope they see the problem more seriously.

I sent the story off to The Daily Mirror (UK Newspaper) in the Net section...

And also The Sun so lets see what happens...

I'll post replies if i receive them.

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Originally posted by Absorbation
Very good basiclly they have to listen now

* Absorbation wonders what will happen if things got lost in the post

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Patchou better have got Insurance and like SUPER protected Mail. So nobody steal it or anything.

* prashker wonders the same thing as Absorbation

I have emailed all news stations in the Netherlands (SBS6, Ned 1, Ned 2, Ned 3, Talpa, RTL 5, RTL 4)  I hope they use the news item!

Greetings,
Sebastiaan

Hello
Some posts gave me the idea to talk about this problem with French medias.

Where can I send my letter ? I'd like Patchou's ok before sending it to French medias....

You have my ok . Anybody wanting to do the promotion of Messenger Plus! is free to do it. Thanks .

Patchou, I prefer to submit you the letter before I send it, otherwise I can make mistakes, since my English is not so good. Maybe we can talk by mail or msn....

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Originally posted by Giulia
since my English is not so good.

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I wrote it in French finally, but I lack pieces of informations....

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Originally posted by Patchou
The document was formatted with Times New Roman 9pt with borders size at minimum but still achieved to be 10,137 pages long!

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it will probably be a 1 lign respons when i wrote a 2 page email and I got a 1 sentence reply.

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Originally posted by Dung3onMast3r
Making a MSN Messenger for mac is far more effort that to remove msgplus.exe from their 'malware' list, and add the sponsor instead (or not adding anything at all, as the sponsor is installed with the permission of the user).

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Messenger for Mac is a very different issue.. there are marketing concerns involed, it would cost Microsoft a lot of money to do it, etc... the petition for Messenger Plus! is just about misdetection and screwing up my users' computers as a result. I'm not asking them to do any work, just to make their software look more honest and fair.

so is there an estimated arrvial date?

Hi Patchou and fellow members  i just joined up since that i am a mdx member and since there forums are down.

I would like to say why don't you do somthing like Matt did and not make Msg plus with the spyware buddler.


Then i think that Microsoft might get off your back because your progam would be clean of those such things.

Now really Patchou there are other spyware removers which find your progam as well with the spyware buddler not only Microsoft.

But yes its only that Micosoft is the only one trying to shut this progam down because there big bullies and they think they can do what they please.

But i just don't see why even trying to get back at Mircosoft because no offence but 400k of people is nothing to them.

But they would pobly back off if you remove the spyware buddler off your progam.

The other up side if you remove it your progam well be smaller and qicker to download.

1) it's not spyware, it's adware (not harmful to your system)
2) Patchou has to have the bundler because he needs to make money to keep plus! free

  ok then


well fine i didn't call spyware i called it a spyware buddle ok got me that what microsoft antispy and other poducts which dosen't really matter

But there are other ways to make money mate,Then a spyware buddler


which is my mistake i know that it should of been adware but meh

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Now really Patchou there are other spyware removers which find your progam as well with the spyware buddler not only Microsoft

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But there are other ways to make money mate,Then a spyware buddler

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fine what ever

and yes msd 3.0 had the buddle thing on it but too many people didn't like the buddle being on there

so in the new mdx versions there is no buddle in it at all

but anyway its just a suggestion you don't need to get seriours mate

But to get back on the topic Microsoft wont care about 400k of people really there are millons of uses who use windows and there bull shit Anti spy stuff which adware se and spybot are beta anyway

But there might be possible that they well do what Patchou is asking them to do i can't say i am not the owner of microsoft 

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Originally posted by Shayne
fine what ever

and yes msd 3.0 had the buddle thing on it but too many people didn't like the buddle being on there

so in the new mdx versions there is no buddle in it at all

but anyway its just a suggestion you don't need to get seriours mate

But to get back on the topic Microsoft wont care about 400k of people really there are millons of uses who use windows and there bull shit Anti spy stuff which adware se and spybot are beta anyway

But there might be possible that they well do what Patchou is asking them to do i can't say i am not the owner of microsoft 

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