Hhiya,
I was wondering if you could help me out here?
I've a choice of these...
An ADM Sepron 1.7ghz
Or a Intel Celeron D 320 2.8ghz
Which one should i get? because  ADM@s are topposed to be the best but the intel has a faster proccesor.
Thanks

I'd go with the ADM Sepron 1.7ghz, better quality. Even though the Intel is faster you will have more problems with it.

Intel may be faster Ghz wise but performance wise an AMD with a lower clock speed can often out perform an intel.
Also AMD give off less heat, and are more powerefficiant. Plus they rock .

I totally hate the Celeron's, Id go with ADM, as DJex mentionned, celeron will cause u so much problem u wont mind ht speed..

lmao i read an article in APC magazine, comparing Intel's and AMD. what they did to test the heat they gave off was they used the CPU as a hotplate and found which one cooked and egg the fastest. it was funny. needless to say it was the AMD that came out as the one that gave off the least amount of heat. GO AMD

Processor clock speeds are inherently meaningless, and are only useful for measuring relative performance of two identical processors clocked differently. What you really want is a comparison of something more meaningful, like a FLOPS comparison.

FLOPS: floating-point operations per second e.g. how many times it can do 3.1415 + 1.414 in one second.

As a lot of people have already said, AMD processors are said to be comparable to the performance of a faster Intel. I'd go for the Intel, for the raw speed (and because I always have), but; I would choose an Athlon or a Pentium, nor a Sempron or Celeron, these are just feature lacking versions of their bigger brothers (less cache and such).

* rav0 waits for CookieRevised to correct rav0

I used to be all GO INTEL!! but i tried an AMD processor, and i can tell you i wont go back.

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Originally posted by lordy16
lmao i read an article in APC magazine, comparing Intel's and AMD. what they did to test the heat they gave off was they used the CPU as a hotplate and found which one cooked and egg the fastest. it was funny. needless to say it was the AMD that came out as the one that gave off the least amount of heat. GO AMD

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yeh that's true, but that doesnt mean it generates more heat . i'm pretty sure that what an intel does is that it senses when it's overheated and then it stops, where as an AMD doesnt? or something like that... i cant exactly remember

Here waht do you think i should get. this is what i want to get.
(I'll make them Bold for the ones i want.


Case Option
    MA Case MKI Silver/Black Midi Tower Case with 300W PSU    ---
    MA Case MKI Red/Black Midi Tower Case with 300W PSU    + £3.00
    MA Case MkI Blue/Black Midi Tower Case with 300W PSU    + £1.00
    Gaming Case with Clear Window with 350W PSU    + £12.00
Power Supply Option
    Power Supply as supplied in case    ---
    350W ATX v1.2 Power Supply    + £14.00
    425W ATX v2.0 Power Supply    + £31.00
    460W Akasa ATX v2.0 Whisper Quiet Power Supply    + £49.00
    480W Tagan ATX v2.0 Whisper Quiet Power Supply    + £50.00
    525W Performance ATX v2.0 Power Supply    + £39.00
Processor Option
    AMD Sempron 2400+ Processor    ---
    AMD Sempron 2500+ Processor    + £9.00
    AMD Sempron 2600+ Processor    + £21.00
Memory Option
    256MB DDR 333 (PC2700) Branded Memory    ---
    512MB DDR 333 (PC2700) Branded Memory    + £18.00
    1GB (1024MB) DDR 333 (PC2700) Branded Memory    + £46.00
Hard Disk Option
    40GB ATA (133Mbps) 7200rpm Hard Disk Drive    ---
    80GB ATA (133Mbps) 7200rpm Hard Disk Drive    + £10.00
    120GB ATA (133Mbps) 7200rpm Hard Disk Drive    + £22.00
    160GB ATA (133Mbps) 7200rpm Hard Disk Drive    + £31.00
    200GB ATA (133Mbps) 7200rpm Hard Disk Drive    + £51.00
Graphics Card Option
    32MB Integrated AGP Graphics    ---
    128MB ATi Radeon 9250 AGP Graphics    + £25.00
    256MB ATi Radeon 9250 AGP Graphics    + £26.00
    128MB ATi Radeon 9550 AGP Graphics    + £31.00
    256MB ATi Radeon 9550 AGP Graphics    + £41.00
    256MB NVIDIA Geforce FX5500 AGP Graphics    + £42.00
    128MB NVIDIA Geforce 6200 AGP Graphics    + £67.00
    128MB NVIDIA Geforce 6600 AGP Graphics    + £116.00
Second Optical Disk Drive Option
    None    ---
    52X CD-Rom Drive    + £9.00
    16X DVD-Rom Drive    + £13.00
    52X DVD/CD-Rewriter    + £20.00
    52X CD-Rewriter    + £13.00
        16X Dual Layer Mutli-Format DVD +/- Rewriter    + £27.00
Floppy Disk Option
    None    ---
    1.44MB 3.5'' Floppy Drive    + £4.00
    1.44MB 3.5'' Floppy Drive with Integrated 7in1 Memory Card Reader    + £11.00
Sound Card Option
    Integrated Standard Stereo Audio with Line/Mic Inputs    ---
    SoundBlaster Live! 24BIT 7.1 8 Channel Surround Sound Audio    + £16.00
    SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS 7.1 8 Channel Surround Sound Audio    + £41.00
    SoundBlaster Audigy 4 7.1 8 Channel Pro Surround Sound Audio    + £137.00
Network/Modem Option
    Fast 100Mbit Ethernet LAN (Broadband Ready)    ---
    56K v.92 PCI Fax Modem with FREE 0845 dialup Internet connection    + £5.00
    Fast 100Mbit LAN & 56K v.92 PCI Fax Modem (Broadband/Dialup Ready)    + £5.00
    PCI 54Mbit 802.11b/g Wi-Fi Wireless Networking (Wireless Broadband Ready)    + £12.00
    USB 54Mbit 802.11b/g Wi-Fi Wireless Networking (Wireless Broadband Ready)    + £12.00
    Wanadoo upto 2 Meg Broadband Connection in a box    + £10.00
Keyboard Option
    None    ---
    Aries Basic Keyboard    + £2.00
    Aries Internet Keyboard    + £3.00
    Basic Keyboard    + £3.00
    Internet Keyboard    + £4.00
    Microsoft Basic Keyboard    + £12.00
    Microsoft Wireless Keyboard & Optical Mouse    + £18.00
    Logitech Cordless Desktop Keyboard & Optical Mouse    + £19.00
Mouse Option
    None    ---
    Aries Scroll Mouse    + £1.00
    Aries Optical Scroll Mouse    + £3.00
    Basic Scroll Mouse    + £1.00
    Basic Optical Scroll Mouse    + £3.00
    Microsoft Optical Mouse    + £3.00
    Aries Cordless Optical Mouse    + £11.00
Operating System Option
    No Operating System Required    ---
    Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition with Service Pack 2    + £50.00
    Microsoft Windows XP Professional Edition with Service Pack 2    + £86.00
Office Suite Option
    None    ---
    Microsoft Compatible Office Suite    + £2.00
    Microsoft Works 8.0    + £4.00
    Microsoft Word 2002, Microsoft Works 8.0, Microsoft Picture It! Premium 10, Encarta Encyclopedia Standard 2005, Microsoft Money Standard 2005, Microsoft Streets & Trips 2005    + £15.00
    Microsoft Office Basic Edition 2003    + £122.00
    Microsoft Office Small Business Edition 2003    + £160.00
    Microsoft Office Professional Edition 2003    + £196.00
Security Software Option
    None    ---
    Panda Antivirus Titanium 2004 (1yr virus subscription)    + £2.00
    Symantec Norton Antivirus 2005    + £16.00
    Symantec Norton Internet Security 2005    + £20.00
    Symantec Norton Personal Firewall 2005    + £17.00
Additional Software Option
    None    ---
    Extra Value Software Bundle: Click for more info    + £12.00
    Roxio Easy CD Creator Suite 7    + £1.00
    Roxio Easy CD Creator Suite 7 & Roxio DVD Max Play    + £2.00
    Ahead Nero Express CD Burning Software v6    + £1.00
    Norton Ghost 9.0 Backup Software    + £34.00
Monitor Option
    None    ---
    15'' TFT Analogue Flat Panel Multimedia Monitor    + £137.00
    17'' TFT Analogue Flat Panel Multimedia Monitor    + £141.00
    19'' TFT Analogue Flat Panel Multimedia Monitor    + £170.00
    Sharp 17'' TFT DVI 12ms Flat Panel Monitor    + £207.00
    Sharp 19'' TFT Analogue Flat Panel Monitor    + £216.00
    Sharp 19'' TFT DVI Flat Panel Monitor    + £254.00
Speakers Option
    None    ---
    Altec Lansing Stereo Headphones with Mic    + £8.00
    Basic Stereo Desktop Speakers    + £3.00
    Basic Stereo Speakers with Subwoofer    + £5.00
    Basic 5.1 Surround Sound Speakers    + £20.00
    Creative Labs Inspire P5800 5.1 Surround Sound Speakers    + £35.00
    Creative Labs Inspire T6700 6.1 Surround Sound Speakers    + £41.00
    Creative Labs Inspire T7900 7.1 Surround Sound Speakers

Now all you need is a motherboard!
(Although I'm assuming you may have already picked one if you have integrated Lan/audio/graphics)

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Originally posted by multimillion2k
Now all you need is a motherboard!
(Although I'm assuming you may have already picked one if you have integrated Lan/audio/graphics)

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Originally posted by rav0
I saw some processors been run without HSFs and the AMD burnt up

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so what i said was right? they shut down if they get too hot?

Not Very many people are answering my asked question
What would you get for peformance and stabilty?

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Originally posted by msg_plus_freak
Not Very many people are answering my asked question
What would you get for peformance and stabilty?

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Internet (2.2mbps) Games (a Bit0 And running programs I might be putting 2 monitors on it aswell.

then you will probally want a better graphics card than

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Originally posted by msg_plus_freak
32MB Integrated AGP Graphics ---

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I've already an ok graphics card+ I've got a 110gb Hd Which I'll be putting in
Oh and I'll be running AVG At the mo it slows my pc down alot! (when its scanning for viruses)

I have found a better kit now could you have a look at it guys (and women) please? http://www.aria.co.uk/ProductsList.asp?Name=diy

doesnt look to bad, i dont know anythig bout those Mobo'ss tho

hmmm... it seems pretty good... i personally would go for more ram, but obviously it depends on what you want to do with it. good processor, i have one of those myself

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Originally posted by lordy16
so what i said was right? they shut down if they get too hot?

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i  think you should go for the intel

Ok, But can you have a look at the other link ( this one:http://www.aria.co.uk/ProductsList.asp?Name=diy

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Originally posted by msg_plus_freak
I have found a better kit now could you have a look at it guys (and women) please? http://www.aria.co.uk/ProductsList.asp?Name=diy

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Ok, I'm going to pick it up this saturday!
But can you help me please.

What are those thing i circled for?

im pretty sure they are PCI-Express x1 sockets?

and the green one is a pci-express x16 one

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Originally posted by lordy16
im pretty sure they are PCI-Express x1 sockets?

and the green one is a pci-express x16 one

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They are expansion slots like PCI (and ISA). The x16 slot is 16 times faster than regular PCI, and will (most likely) be used for your graphics card. The x1 slot gives the same speed as a regular PCI slot, but is grouped with the other PCI-E slots, not the PCI slots, on the connections to everything else (someone please explain this better, I can't remember the terms).

to quote the wonderful Wiki:

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Originally posted by Wikipedia
The PCIe link is built around a bidirectional, serial (1-bit), point-to-point connection known as a "lane"

At the electrical level, each lane utilizes two unidirectional low voltage differential signaling (LVDS) pairs at 2.5 gigabaud. Transmit and receive are separate diff-pairs, for a total of 4 data wires per lane.

A connection between any two PCIe devices is known as a "link", and is built up from a collection of 1 or more lanes. All devices must minimally support single-lane (x1) links. Devices may optionally support wider links composed of 2, 4, 8, 12, 16, or 32 lanes. This allows very good compatability, in two ways. A PCIe card will physically fit (and work correctly) in any slot that is at least as large as it is (e.g. an x1 card will work in an x4 or x16 slot), and a slot of a large physical size (e.g. x16) can be wired electrically with fewer lanes (e.g. x1 or x8; however it must still provide the power and ground connections required by the larger physical slot size). In both cases, the PCIe link will negotiate the highest mutually supported number of lanes.

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Originally posted by Madman
if you want to install lots of stuff then you will find 40gb might be a bit small.

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Originally posted by rav0
I'm surviving on 16 GB, and its only just over half full. I only have two games on there ATM though .

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*lordy remembers when he had a 6GB HDD for a short time

Plain and simple, AMD all the way everytime !!!

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Originally posted by lordy16

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Originally posted by rav0
I'm surviving on 16 GB, and its only just over half full. I only have two games on there ATM though .

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omg i would DIE!! i use about 30GB of my 80GB harddrive. some of it can probably be deleted though... programs/games i dont use anymore. but still, that's tiny

*lordy remembers when he had a 6GB HDD for a short time (the other one died ) i was ready to throw the computer out the window

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Yer but the original thing was weather i should get an intel or adm

It's AMD not adm. PS you can edit the first post in this thread and change the title (unless this thread dies and my reply becomes useless here).

Ok done it

This is a rule of life:

AMD > Intel

lol,
On

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Originally posted by msg_plus_freak
Ok, I'm going to pick it up this saturday!
But can you help me please.

What are those thing i circled for?

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If the green thing is a PCI-E x16 slot, like lordy16 said, then that is where your graphics card will go.

If you want to make your current graphics card into it, make sure it is PCI-E. Most likely you have an AGP card right now.

It isn't an AGP slot, which is the most common for graphics cards, but PCI-E is being used, in a minority. PCI-E is a relatively new technology.

Oh, Could you do a little search for us then please?
would a sparkle S3 Trio 3D/2x OnBoard go in it then?
Cos I've a little problem.
I've ordered it but i spent my extra 30 pounds on a better case!

Ummm ... doesn't the onboard bit mean that the graphics processor isn't on a card, but on your motherboard?

I looked a bit for the specifications of that card bit I didn't find any. AFAIK that is an old video card, and PCI-E didn't even exist when it was made.

Call them now on 0870 499 2 499 (I sound like an infomercial ) and explain your situation, and if it hasn't been shipped yet they should be able to change your order to a cheaper case and you can use some of that money for a new video card.

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Originally posted by YottabyteWIzard
This is a rule of life:

AMD > Intel

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I'm not getting that one no more. My uncle gets deals everywhere so he is going to get me a pc ( a good one!)

I want one!

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Originally posted by rav0
Quick Quote

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I want one computer from your uncle, not really though, it's just a thing I say which I thought you'd recognise.

Oh, lol.
I've just woken up so i'm still about brain dead.
Well saying that i think im always brain dead.