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Feature request: Direct connect by MoZo1 on 09-29-2005 at 07:50 PM
The "Allow me to connect directly to my contacts when sending messages" option has been greyed out in the MSN 7.5. This would be a bad thing if you would not be, but ... I'am sure, you will solve this much better! 
I would like to ask a Plus! feature or a plugin that is able to make an audio or an audio/video chat between 2 users(each must have the software of course). And this would be good for file transfer too. File transfer should have a cache to allow resuming the transfer after some trouble. And if this use direct connect, some freely selectable encription would be good too if you could. I would prefer ssl. But the matter is the direct connect!
Thank you very much!
RE: Feature request: Direct connect by LittleK on 10-03-2005 at 03:03 PM
quote:
Originally posted by MoZo1
The "Allow me to connect directly to my contacts when sending messages" option has been greyed out in the MSN 7.5. This would be a bad thing if you would not be, but ... I'am sure, you will solve this much better!
I would like to ask a Plus! feature or a plugin that is able to make an audio or an audio/video chat between 2 users(each must have the software of course). And this would be good for file transfer too. File transfer should have a cache to allow resuming the transfer after some trouble. And if this use direct connect, some freely selectable encription would be good to if you could. I would prefer ssl. But the matter is the direct connect!
Thank you very much!
Sending files to more than one person at a time would contribute to problems e.g viruses and stuff. Im not an expert but i think its pretty much impossible because of the way msn works, i might be wrong though.
RE: Feature request: Direct connect by t1a0s on 10-03-2005 at 08:10 PM
If it wasnt possible tho wouldn't they have removed the option completely instead of just greying it out?
RE: Feature request: Direct connect by prashker on 10-03-2005 at 08:13 PM
quote:I asked this long time ago.
Originally posted by MoZo1
audio/video chat between 2 users
http://shoutbox.menthix.net/showthread.php?tid=42...d=430446#pid430446
check that out
RE: Feature request: Direct connect by RaceProUK on 10-04-2005 at 10:34 AM
quote:The problem with this is how the protocol has been engineered. There's no support for pausing and resuming file transfers I'm afraid.
Originally posted by MoZo1
File transfer should have a cache to allow resuming the transfer after some trouble.
You'd be best off making this suggestion to the MSN team.
RE: Feature request: Direct connect by LittleK on 10-04-2005 at 09:41 PM
quote:
Originally posted by the1andonlysparky
If it wasnt possible tho wouldn't they have removed the option completely instead of just greying it out?
I meant sending to more than one person, not direct connect
RE: Feature request: Direct connect by MoZo1 on 10-09-2005 at 02:37 AM
Because I would like direct connect, to send more than one person would have not benefits because of the ADSL's upload. But direct connect could be work. MSN have greyed out it, but we could use the Plus!'s server instead. Yes, this is not the way how the MSN works, but the Plus! could work this way.
RE: Feature request: Direct connect by CookieRevised on 10-09-2005 at 01:40 PM
If you're using a server (in your suggestiono the Plus! server) then you do not directly connect at all.
In fact you will be having just the kind of connection as MSN Messenger provides when sending files. In fact, it would be even slower, as file transfers on MSN Messenger _will_ use a direct connection if possible...
Direct connecting means you don't use any server or whatever, you directly connect to the computer of your contact...
RE: RE: Feature request: Direct connect by MoZo1 on 10-09-2005 at 07:38 PM
quote:I know what is direct connect and you have to use a server to find the other's IP. So if the MSN's server don't allow this, the Plus!'s one could. Then if the MSN don't use direct connect anymore, 2 MSN with Plus! could! And then other features could be added too like file transfer resume, encription, etc.. And there could be video and sound conference with more than one person with and/or without the server.
Originally posted by CookieRevised
If you're using a server (in your suggestiono the Plus! server) then you do not directly connect at all.
In fact you will be having just the kind of connection as MSN Messenger provides when sending files. In fact, it would be even slower, as file transfers on MSN Messenger _will_ use a direct connection if possible...
Direct connecting means you don't use any server or whatever, you directly connect to the computer of your contact...
RE: RE: RE: Feature request: Direct connect by CookieRevised on 10-09-2005 at 08:01 PM
quote:You don't need a server to get someone's IP...
Originally posted by MoZo1
I know what is direct connect and you have to use a server to find the other's IP.
quote:If MSN Messenger doesn't allow a direct connection it is because a direct connection couldn't be established because one of you are behind a router blocking a possible direct connection for example (there are other reasons also). Using another server (eg: Plus!) isn't going to change that at all...
Originally posted by MoZo1
So if the MSN's server don't allow this, the Plus!'s one could. Then if the MSN don't use direct connect anymore, 2 MSN with Plus! could!
RE: RE: RE: RE: Feature request: Direct connect by MoZo1 on 10-10-2005 at 04:12 AM
quote:I have dinamic IP and other I know have to, so I need.
Originally posted by CookieRevised
You don't need a server to get someone's IP...
quote:I tought this too, but a lot of my friend connect directly and me too and we still not allowed to make direct connect. Then see this:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
If MSN Messenger doesn't allow a direct connection it is because a direct connection couldn't be established because one of you are behind a router blocking a possible direct connection for example (there are other reasons also). Using another server (eg: Plus!) isn't going to change that at all...
quote:The entire mailing is downloadable from my other topic, and you can see my comments about the supporting teams intelligence too. This was that thing what gave me this idea.
My last mail with the MSN support team
MSN Customer Support <MSSGR.FREE.NA.US.EN.SYK.ELS.TS.T02.SPT.PC.EM@css.one.microsoft.com> 2005. szeptember 29. 5:23
Címzett: ME <MEhu@gmail.com>
Hello Zoltan,
Thank you for contacting MSN Messenger Technical Support. My name is Carlos, and I am pleased to assist you with this issue. I regret any inconvenience this has caused, and understand how important it is to keep in touch with your friends and family using MSN Messenger.
According to your email, the issue is you want to know why the 'Allow me to connect directly to my contacts when sending messages' is grayed out in your MSN Messenger 7.5.
Zoltan, unfortunately, that feature is not currently available with MSN Messenger 7.5 anymore, to avoid problems when sending messages. It is only available in MSN Messenger 7.0 . We forwarded your suggestion to the product team that carefully reviews these suggestions and considers them for future releases.
Thanks again for contacting MSN Messenger Technical Support, and for your use of Microsoft products. Have a wonderful day.
Best Regards,
Carlos,
MSN Messenger Technical Support Team
For questions or self-help with MSN Messenger, at anytime you may also visit: http://messenger.msn.com/help or http://support.msn.com
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RE: Feature request: Direct connect by CookieRevised on 10-10-2005 at 10:04 AM
quote:No, you don't need a server to get an IP...
Originally posted by MoZo1
quote:I have dinamic IP and other I know have to, so I need.
Originally posted by CookieRevised
You don't need a server to get someone's IP...
quote:I didn't "think" it was like this, it is a fact... And as I said, there are more issues which could prevent a direct connection (read all the stuff the msn tech support has mailed you to have a small idea of what can go wrong or what could prevent direct connections).
Originally posted by MoZo1
quote:I tought this too, but a lot of my friend connect directly and me too and we still not allowed to make direct connect. Then see this: (...)
Originally posted by CookieRevised
If MSN Messenger doesn't allow a direct connection it is because a direct connection couldn't be established because one of you are behind a router blocking a possible direct connection for example (there are other reasons also). Using another server (eg: Plus!) isn't going to change that at all...
Directly connecting isn't that strait forward as you might think. Using another (Plus!) server isn't going to change how MSN Messenger connects or what not...
quote:Again, using another (Plus!) server isn't going to change that at all. MSN Messenger 7.5 uses different ways to connect, this requires different settings. You can't change how MSN Messenger connects to speed up chatting...
Originally posted by MoZo1
(...)quote:The entire mailing is downloadable from my other topic, and you can see my comments about the supporting teams intelligence too. This was that thing what gave me this idea.
My last mail with the MSN support team:
[snipped]
If you want to send files to your contact faster I suggest you do not use MSN Messenger for that but other means which are able to open and redirect the proper ports. But even then, if you are behind routers which don't support a particular protocol or have some specific firewall settings or what not, direct connection will fail...
To be able to directly connect both parties need specific settings and both parties need specific ports opened and some security measures taken down. And this is exactly why things as firewalls and routers often prevent a direct connection. And this has got nothing to do with what relay server you use; it wont solve a thing.
RE: Feature request: Direct connect by MoZo1 on 10-10-2005 at 11:47 PM
quote:And I wouldn't like to change the MSN's connection, rather to use the Plus! itself to send files. I can use FTP server as I do for larger things, but to click onto a contact and then sending files is more faster.
First pharse of this topic:
The "Allow me to connect directly to my contacts when sending messages" option has been greyed out in the MSN 7.5.
And if you have a friend and you haven't got any server with fixed IP, then how can you get his ip? (each of you have dinamic IP) My problem is just that, if I make an FTP server, ppl's don't know my IP if I don't set it somewhere and it's annoying.
RE: RE: Feature request: Direct connect by CookieRevised on 10-11-2005 at 02:08 AM
1) an FTP server isn't a direct connection either
2) something like that will NEVER be put in Plus!
3) a plugin exists which allows you to send files to your contacts, search the forums
4) you get your friends IP by simply asking them, you don't need any server for that. Hell, you don't need an internet connection at all, just phone him and ask him
RE: RE: RE: Feature request: Direct connect by MoZo1 on 10-11-2005 at 03:33 AM
quote:Sure, now I can undersatnd you! After I have direct connect, I can know the IP, but I'am talking about the opening of the connection. (Now I don't have direct connect. That time we simply used our firewall to see where the MSN connect and get the IP.)
Originally posted by CookieRevised
1) an FTP server isn't a direct connection either
2) something like that will NEVER be put in Plus!
3) a plugin exists which allows you to send files to your contacts, search the forums
4) you get your friends IP by simply asking them, you don't need any server for that. Hell, you don't need an internet connection at all, just phone him and ask him
This way I must make an ftp server and give my IP then others need to copy that to another program and then send the files. Fortunately the Plus! can send my IP through auto msg, so this works even if I sleep and my comp have reconnected because of some reasons. But that would be more simple to drag and drop these files onto my contact's floating window. I would prefer this for files bigger than 10MB but less than 50MB because they are not so much time to send with my connection, but an eternity for the MSN's server.
And if the Plus! will be able to do this? That's not our decision. There can be plugins for file transfer, but this would be good for video conference too (that's slow too with a good cam), so the direct connect feature could be universal.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Feature request: Direct connect by CookieRevised on 10-11-2005 at 09:23 AM
quote:I can tell you it will NEVER happen because Plus! will not aid in illegal file sharing.
Originally posted by MoZo1
And if the Plus! will be able to do this? That's not our decision.
RE: Feature request: Direct connect by Ezra on 10-11-2005 at 02:47 PM
And the plugin FileTransferPlus already supports this. You DO need to open the correct ports on your router and firewall, it won't open them itself (yet). And it's drag and drop compatible.
You drag the file to your messenger window, drop it, and the plugin will send your ip and other connection info to your contact in the window, after that both computers will start the transfer and use the max speed it can get.
To download the plugin and for more information about it go to the official filetransferplus help and support forums
www.filetransferplus.com