Well... i havent seen a thread about this yet, but tehre has been another terrorist attack in Bali... 3 bombs this time... im not sure how many dead but last i heard it was about 30. this is disgusting tbh... i will be posting some stuff about this on my blog later, ill link to it when i get it done

here is my views on the topic http://teaspoondiner.thedt.net/blog/?p=5 turns more into a rant on racism but you get the idea

Yeah I heard about this the other night, its really sad to see There have been anonymous text mesasges warning of more in the Bali area as well, also a higher threat level in parts of Thailand (including Phuket).

still wondewr why Australians stil lgo to Bali, they have been warned to stay away from there from the federal Government, but no one listens,

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still wondewr why Australians stil lgo to Bali, they have been warned to stay away from there from the federal Government, but no one listens,

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I wouldn't go anywhere in Indonesia tbh...

There wasn't a warning on travelling to Bali.

Also, please someone define terrorist for me.

Some places get blown up, and it is labelled "a terrorist attack".

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Do you mean terrorist?

if so: a radical who employs terror as a political weapon.

someone who incites terror to achieve a political objective in other words

Yes, that's what I meant.

So that being the accepted definition, who is this someone, where is the terror being incited, and, what is their political objective?

I'm afraid i dont understand your question completely and i sense a hint of sarcasm... terror is being incited in anyone who listens to the news reports, or hears about it or whatever. THEY are a splinter cell of Jemah Islamiah. and their political objective i have no idea about, all they want is attention

The sarcasm was there, in a serious question. I've never known of Jemah Islamiah, except in government and news reports. I have never seen any communication from them to the public, and it isn't hard (OMG I'm communication an opinion to the public!).

Whenever anything happens, poeple want an explaination for it, from somebody. My point is; "terrorists" are just an excuse for laziness.

do you mean that they're too lazy to communicate their views through the media, and instead do it through violence?

I mean that someone is too lazy to deal with an event, so they say, "TERRORISM, go back to your homes people, they're terrorists, there is nothing we can do about it". There is media attantion on the explosions in Bali, but there is no attention on a person or group, other than to explain the cause of the explosions, and there are no ideals being communicated.

But you see, when something like this happens, the media says hey it was this group, people go and research the group and find what they are on about

That's my problem, the mass media tells us it was <insert unheard of name here>. Nobody actually said that they did or would harm people for whatever reason.

* rav0 wonders where everybody else's replies are

so you would prefer that the media broadbasted their cause, thus letting them achieve their goal of bringing attention to why they did the attack in the first palce?

It was a planned out attack. Police have said they have found what is left of three terrorists. People have also said before the bomb went off, they yelled out "Allah".

By the way, you are making very little sense. Before you post, re-read what you just typed. Then read over it again. Correct any spelling/grammar mistakes. Read over it two more times. Might be a little easier for us to understand then

More bombings? These people need to find something more productive to do.

Two nights ago someone light a pipebomb in my neighboorhood...

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There wasn't a warning on travelling to Bali.

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There wasn't a warning on travelling to Bali.

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The Federal government's advisory has been saying to avoid all non essential travel to Indoneisa for about 2 years now.....

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More bombings? These people need to find something more productive to do.


Two nights ago someone light a pipebomb in my neighboorhood...

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Theres a nasty video of this guy going into one of the resturants with a backpack on and 30 seconds later bang...

The bombers have no moral they do these things wanting something i think these people see it as a hobby complaing about westen society when in realty they live it everyday. And then they blame their religion when their religion teachs peace

just brainwashing is all it is

If you believe that terrorists are committing bombings because they hate western society, you have really lost the plot. Terrorists are commiting these bombings because they dislike American foreign policy. Hence these bombings are in response to it and they hope to accomplish some form of change by pressuring over governments to place pressure on the US.

Im not defending suicide bombings because it is truly disgusting but if these sort of issues are ever going to get solved we just cant come up with the reasoning of "They have western society."

By using the following definition posted by another user:
"Do you mean terrorist?

if so: a radical who employs terror as a political weapon.

someone who incites terror to achieve a political objective in other words"

It is obvious too see that the actions of the American Government on the invasion of Iraq can be seen as an act of terrorism. The only difference being that the American Governement has million dollar weapons to play with.

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t is obvious too see that the actions of the American Government on the invasion of Iraq can be seen as an act of terrorism.

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The only difference being that the American Governement has million dollar weapons to play with.

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If you believe that terrorists are committing bombings because they hate western society, you have really lost the plot. Terrorists are commiting these bombings because they dislike American foreign policy. Hence these bombings are in response to it and they hope to accomplish some form of change by pressuring over governments to place pressure on the US.

Im not defending suicide bombings because it is truly disgusting but if these sort of issues are ever going to get solved we just cant come up with the reasoning of "They have western society."

By using the following definition posted by another user:
"Do you mean terrorist?

if so: a radical who employs terror as a political weapon.

someone who incites terror to achieve a political objective in other words"

It is obvious too see that the actions of the American Government on the invasion of Iraq can be seen as an act of terrorism. The only difference being that the American Governement has million dollar weapons to play with.

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t is obvious too see that the actions of the American Government on the invasion of Iraq can be seen as an act of terrorism.

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No. Because terrorism is like in the definition you quoted, "employing terror as a political wepon". And the invaision of iraqi did not use terror tactics to remove sadam hussain, they attacked key military targets (although the did mess up sometimes) to overthrow his regieme, which as it happened involved many of his people living in terror of him, hence him having political power.

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The only difference being that the American Governement has million dollar weapons to play with.

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No. If terrorists used a million dollar weapon to blow up civilian targets and to incite terror it would still be terrorism wouldnt it?

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Okay so lets review. What evidence did they have on Saddam again? Nothing. Lets be honest here. The war in Iraq is about the oil.

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The US claimed they targeted military targets BUT how many civilians died because of those actions??? Did that not incite terror within the population???

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Who has the political power now in Iraq? It certainly isnt the Iraqi people.

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Regardless of what weapon they use (suicide bomb or missles) the end result is the same....terror.

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*sigh* when is this thing gonna end, this is fu*king rediculus..

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Theres a nasty video of this guy going into one of the resturants with a backpack on and 30 seconds later bang...

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imagine walking around knowing you are going to die in a couple of minutes..

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how could he live like that go to mcdonalds knowing he was about to die

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steVenB: Please remember that the terrorists declared war on the west long before Iraq.

Lets see, The African Embassy bombings of the 80s and 90s, the bombing of the USS Cole, the first attacks on the WTC, 9/11 etc.....

Terrorists have been around for YEARS and it's certainly not only because of the US! It's the majority of Western Society they are against which includes Australia, UK, France, etc. Terrorism just came into a major focus since 9/11. and that is also when alot of the racism towards muslims began. because most of the terrorists were muslims, many people believe that all muslims are terroists. which of course they are not. you can see my lil post on this http://teaspoondiner.thedt.net/blog/?p=5

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Im not pro-war in iraqi and i do think that it was about the oil, but the point im making is the us military did not emply terror tactics.

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But they didnt intend on killing civialians to gain political power. And also if this is the case, why did most of the iraqi population welcome the overthrowing of sadam?

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AFAIK, they are working on handing power back to the iraqi people, but there is still a lot of lawlessness while a decent poilice force is beeing set up, so this is hampering the hand over of power.

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Actually its entirly different, because during the iraqi war it was a declaired war, so all the people knew they may get involved. And where more prepared than anyone is for a suicide bombing (thats not to say that i dont think lose of civilian life in a way is a fair thing).  But with suicide bombings its unexpected and thats what causes the  terror, the uncertantly that anyone could be armed with explosives and willing to kill lots of people.

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I reccomend watching the docuementary called the Control Room. Its about US media vs Al jeezra. It explains who those people were when saddams statue was knocked over.

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Terrorists have been around for YEARS and it's certainly not only because of the US!

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Honestly is bad so many things are being said to be "terrorist attacks". I could see CNN saying that a Building Demolition is a terrorist attack.

LOL hahahaha

This is just .

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I reccomend watching the docuementary called the Control Room. Its about US media vs Al jeezra. It explains who those people were when saddams statue was knocked over.

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Lets just argree to you can believe your propaganda and ill believe mine

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I hate those people who will kill inocent people without a reason,-ther is not a reason to kill someone lol-

Bali has been targetted again around 40 killed i belive and 100's injured its horrible to see they also belive this is the work of JI

its stands for somthing that i wont even begin to spell

I just heard on the news it is 22 people dead so far (they said the number had dropped ).

To say that the bombing are the direct result of the Iraq war is to delude oneself and to avoid the real issues. Its probally an attempt to score a cheap shot at that war with no real basis in truth.

As i said, Bali is just one attack in an ongoing war that has raged on for the last 2 decades. It is ignorant to say that if Iraq didnt happen that London or Bali owuldnt have! Terrorist attacks on the west would have happened regardless of the Iraq war or not.

I doubt that any of those who blew themselves up on Saturday were involved in Iraq, or were directly affected by it. Their actions were Not provoke by Iraq, but in their quest to continue the "jihhad" on the west.

Rafy,

Iraq is not the only reason why terrorism exists, like I have said before US foreign policy is at the root of jihad. Now those attacks on Bali and London effect citizens of those countries that support the US invasion of Iraq. That being said Bin Laden has promised to attack those countries who have supported the Afghan war. Thus those attacks on London and Bali could have been a response to that war as well. But you can’t deny that the Invasion of Iraq did stir up more anti west feelings. This is how they justify the killing of civilians. Civilians pay their taxes, which go towards such things as military weaponary/developement. They see civilians playing a direct role in the war, as they are the ones partially paying for it, there for making them a legitimate target. Sick and twisted but sadly true.

Sure those people who blew themselves up weren't directly involved with the Iraq War but you must understand that all these terrorists around the world are linked with a common bound, a sick twisted version of Islam. They believe that their religion is under attack. They see their Muslim brothers and sisters brutalized by the war and this is why they answer the call to jihad.

Rafy, if you like, you can add me to msn if you like disscussing these sorts of issues.

I really hope there i no more attacks like this to any country i think that the are useing riligious means to make it okay for them to do this sort of thing to other countries

Terrorism has been around for years, just been covered up. Its a sick and vile thing, but at the moment, its inevitable that it will happen so.. just make each day count, just in case

edit: what is the world coming to when a girl of 16 says terrorism is inevitable?

* LittleK shakes head

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I just heard on the news it is 22 people dead so far (they said the number had dropped ).

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i dont mean to scare anyone, but that just my opinion

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