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Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by Bionic on 11-24-2005 at 12:57 PM
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Thats right, a new build of Windows Live Messenger Beta is around. Whats new? So far the installer is 5MB smaller and the build number of course, 8.0.0363. More details will be reported soon.
Source: msnfanatic
RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by Wabz on 11-24-2005 at 01:14 PM
Very cool! I just been accepted onto the Beta program so I'm very interested in whats going to be available 
RE: RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by Salem on 11-24-2005 at 02:51 PM
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Originally posted by Wabz
Very cool! I just been accepted onto the Beta program so I'm very interested in whats going to be available
did you get a "welcome email" or is it the one saying that they will be sendin you an invite soon?
RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by GiantSpider on 11-24-2005 at 03:48 PM
Completely not fair. I haven't been sent one yet & i've been testing since 6. Where is it you sign up? Just in case you have to sign up somewhere other than connect.
RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by absorbation on 11-24-2005 at 03:50 PM
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Originally posted by Wabz
Very cool! I just been accepted onto the Beta program so I'm very interested in whats going to be available
me too. i'll add the live news now
RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by Joe on 11-24-2005 at 04:51 PM
[On-Topic]
I'm glad to know the file size is going down, I really think it is way too bloated for my taste.
RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by huwnet on 11-24-2005 at 05:17 PM
I have also been accepted to the beta. How many of the Plus beta tests also test MSNMSGR/WLM? (hint hint)
RE: RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by Salem on 11-24-2005 at 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by tehGspider
Completely not fair. I haven't been sent one yet & i've been testing since 6. Where is it you sign up? Just in case you have to sign up somewhere other than connect.
If you tested, 7.5 there is no need to sign-up, you will automatically be entered
RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by Bionic on 11-24-2005 at 05:27 PM
Do not post links to beta releases!
RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by Max on 11-24-2005 at 05:30 PM
Link needs to be removed. 
I got a message saying I was in for the MSN/Windows Live Beta Team. Just waiting to see what they'll send me.
RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by John Anderton on 11-24-2005 at 05:41 PM
Thank god they decreased the size 
Will some one please remove that link ffs 
its illegal
Bionic. Not that its anyones buisness but that file by bionic may be different. Its 11.7 MB not 5 mb O.o
RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by Plik on 11-24-2005 at 05:52 PM
quote:No-one said it was 5mb, msnfanatic said it was 5mb smaller than the last installer
Originally posted by John Anderton
Not that its anyones buisness but that file by bionic may be different. Its 11.7 MB not 5 mb O.o
RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by huwnet on 11-24-2005 at 06:11 PM
The link is really does not matter as you cannot sign in with it unless you work at Microsoft or you are an MVP.
So long as no one posts links to the downgraders
RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by Menthix on 11-24-2005 at 06:35 PM
quote:I was a tester on 7.5, but with an emailaccount i don't have access to anyomre now
Originally posted by Salem
If you tested, 7.5 there is no need to sign-up, you will automatically b in
. Changed ISP.
RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by John Anderton on 11-24-2005 at 07:01 PM
quote:Ahh ... thats still an improvement ....
Originally posted by Madman
quote:No-one said it was 5mb, msnfanatic said it was 5mb smaller than the last installer
Originally posted by John Anderton
Not that its anyones buisness but that file by bionic may be different. Its 11.7 MB not 5 mb O.o
Damn why didnt i save that link
Wouldnt have worked anyways quote:Why doesnt microsoft do something about that
Originally posted by MenthiX
Changed ISP.
RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by CookieRevised on 11-24-2005 at 07:23 PM
Also, everybody who is using and/or linking to these private beta's and illegal patches: thank you for ruining the proper beta testing, prosponing the release of a public beta, and holding back the proper development of a final release.
RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by John Anderton on 11-24-2005 at 07:32 PM
quote:I had already done that
Originally posted by CookieRevised
No!... post reported...
quote:Erm true. What i dont get is why people need to use leaked beta's If you can wait for a month or two you will get the public beta / actual release
Originally posted by CookieRevised
Also, everybody who is using and/or linking to these private beta's and illegal patches: thank you for ruining the proper beta testing, prosponing the release of a public beta, and holding back the proper development of a final release.
Just to clarify things ... i didnt download the file. I just saw the filesize ¬¬
Cant microsoft erm, i dont know .... first of all do something to prohibit downloads from their official sites .... this is the second time (both for wlm) that i have seen sites linking back to the microsoft servers O.o They didnt even host it on their servers ffs
Secondly, i dont know what method they are currently applying to prohibit the use of non approved .net passports on wlm beta's but is it a server side protection ?? Like the server should check if the address is valid. So then maybe these "downgraders" wont work ?? I dont know much about this stuff cause i havent read anything on how this works but shouldnt / couldnt they do something like this ??
RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by chatty on 11-24-2005 at 07:38 PM
i downlaoded windows live messenger from this link http://download.microsoft.com/download/
it works but i cant use my email address can some1 help me get around this problem error 810003cc
the link starts of wif that
RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by John Anderton on 11-24-2005 at 07:47 PM
quote:Windows live messenger is not meant to be used by the public. It is a private beta and should/can be used (legally) by official microsoft testers who have been admitted to the windows live messenger beta testing program
Originally posted by chatty
i downlaoded windows live messenger from this link http://download.microsoft.com/download/
it works but i cant use my email address can some1 help me get around this problem error 810003cc
the link starts of wif that
I suggest you remove windows live messenger (since you are not an official beta tester) and you work with msn messenger 7.5 till an update is released
All messenger updates are available at http://messenger.msn.com and that is the site that should be refered to for the latest version
quote:Why cant i find a link there
Originally posted by chatty
i downlaoded windows live messenger from this link http://download.microsoft.com/download/
Something smells fishy
RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by chatty on 11-24-2005 at 07:54 PM
ok i will do that bu the thing i dont get is that i searched for that in yahoo search and it was the first link that came up and i want to post the link but i cnt in this forum.
should i contact microsoft and tell them of this link and how easy it is to get
RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by Zahid™ on 11-24-2005 at 08:05 PM
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Originally posted by Mike McCoy
Have you seen that it leaked?
Yes we have. In fact we put it on download.microsoft.com. We did this because we realized after the 7.5 beta that even if we restrict the download, people still host the bits on their own download sites and it leaks anyway. Instead, we are attempting to control leaks through sign-in authorization. We also saw that the sign-in restriction has been hacked. However, the result is a version that is not fully functional. Plus, if you install and run these hacks you are exposing yourself to spyware and viruses for a version of Messenger 8 that is not even fully functional. My advice is to be patient and wait for your beta invite.
RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by chatty on 11-24-2005 at 08:07 PM
i did sign up to the windows live messenger and i didnt receive an invite are they still giving them out?
RE: RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by Salem on 11-24-2005 at 08:27 PM
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Originally posted by MenthiX
I was a tester on 7.5, but with an emailaccount i don't have access to anyomre now
Sign-in to Microsoft Connect, and click on Manage Your Connect Profile at the bottom of the screen, and update your e-mail address there. I suggest you update it ASAP
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Originally posted by CookieRevised
Also, everybody who is using and/or linking to these private beta's and illegal patches: thank you for ruining the proper beta testing, prosponing the release of a public beta, and holding back the proper development of a final release.
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Originally posted by John Anderton
What i dont get is why people need to use leaked beta's If you can wait for a month or two you will get the public beta / actual release
Agreed with you 100%.
If you so much want to Beta test, apply to be a tester, and wait and see if you get in. Also, even if you don't get in, WLM testers will be given invites to give to friends, so you could still get into the beta that way.
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Originally posted by chatty
i did sign up to the windows live messenger and i didnt receive an invite are they still giving them out?
They are still sending them out. No one has received the "welcome" email welcoming them to the Windows Live Messenger Beta yet. So you might still get in.
RE: RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by Discrate on 11-24-2005 at 09:02 PM
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Originally posted by Absorbation
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Originally posted by Wabz
Very cool! I just been accepted onto the Beta program so I'm very interested in whats going to be available
me too. i'll add the live news now
did you get the welcome letter?
RE: RE: RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by Salem on 11-24-2005 at 09:18 PM
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Originally posted by joelm
did you get the welcome letter?
I did
RE: RE: RE: RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by Discrate on 11-24-2005 at 09:22 PM
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Originally posted by Salem
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Originally posted by joelm
did you get the welcome letter?
I did
i did to but all mine said is welcome to the beta testing we know your excited we will contact you when some beta come up. Was that the same as urs?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by Salem on 11-24-2005 at 09:33 PM
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Originally posted by joelm
i did to but all mine said is welcome to the beta testing we know your excited we will contact you when some beta come up. Was that the same as urs?
Yes. Everyone who got an email got the same thing. No one actually got an e-mail saying "you hav been accepted/invited to test Windows Live Messenger" (or something similar). So therefore no one (except the Beta Manager at Microsoft) knows if that e-mail refered (spelling???) to WLM or another Windows Live Beta. We'll just have to wait and see.
RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by BeerBro on 11-25-2005 at 02:12 AM
do you know if Microsoft actually contact you for info during the beta test?.. like through phone or mail?...
RE: RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by vincerooney on 11-25-2005 at 04:07 AM
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Originally posted by CookieRevised
Also, everybody who is using and/or linking to these private beta's and illegal patches: thank you for ruining the proper beta testing, prosponing the release of a public beta, and holding back the proper development of a final release.
Whilst I feel your anger cookie i don't think illegal downloads of betas really push back testing. I don't believe in it either but its a way of life. It doesn't slow down development whatsoever though. Microsoft now knows this happens, some people cannot wait and betas do leak. It's a way of life.
Yes its annoying but no it doesn't hold back the real release date. the development of the program i feel has no bearing on some people getting hold of the beta early.
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What i'm interested in though is the development of the program. I have no interest in having a buggy WLM, it has no interest for me.
1) i use msgplus so wouldn't work on WLM
2) as i said it'd be buggy
3) i hate the orange color...
But anyway what im asking is then the actual release date of the proper beta comes about. as in the one published to the testers. once that happens i know it'll be about 2 months or so until the official release date.
RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by thc2010 on 11-25-2005 at 04:47 AM
did anyone register to be a tester for Live Connect?
Im wondering if thats why we all got the email
RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by spokes on 11-25-2005 at 06:47 AM
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Originally posted by vincerooney
3) i hate the orange color...
that is changable you know...
RE: RE: RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by CookieRevised on 11-25-2005 at 01:26 PM
quote:Yes they certainly do!!
Originally posted by vincerooney
Whilst I feel your anger cookie i don't think illegal downloads of betas really push back testing.
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It doesn't slow down development whatsoever though.
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no it doesn't hold back the real release date.
(...)
the development of the program i feel has no bearing on some people getting hold of the beta early.
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As explained several times on various messenger related sites:
Because people use illegal beta's which were not meant to be used for the public, many things can and will happen:
- The company must release a version sooner then it was intended because many times beta's contain specific bugs which could be very harmfull for the average user who doesn't know what he/she is doing or who isn't aware of such bugs (because they are not part of the beta-testing team who knows about these things). Because of the early release other bugs hadn't the change of being solved. In the end people will end up with an incomplete not bug-free version.
Complaining starts, bugs are found (which wouldn't be there if the release was as scheduled), the good image of the developper is harmed, etc... etc...
- Those who think they are doing something good if they file a bug report actually slow down the bug testing. This is because the company is overwelmed with inproper bug reports or even reports about stuff which aren't bugs at all (more than half of the bug-reports aren't actually bugs!). And/or because the company needs to put extra people in charge of reading all those reports, people which otherwise would be developping or fixing the proper bugs.
- Those people who use illegal beta's and patches to make them work, harm the proper development of software, especially if this software depends on servers (as msn messenger does). In case of this new WLM, those illegal downgraders make that the beta-servers are overwelmed with stuff which they aren't designed for yet. This means server downtime or overload, thus stopping the official beta-testers from connecting to those servers to test.
Also, the protocol-testers have a hard time in actually determining if something is a bug or whatever in the new protocol, or if something is wrong because somebody is using the old protocol with such a protocol downgrader.
- You are harming the good-will of the company to release anything for the public. More leaking means that the company will be less and less happy with handing out beta-invites. In other words, you are making it harder and harder for others to join the official beta team. In other words, you're seriously being extremely selfish.
- etc... etc...
(and all that goes for EVERY company, not only MS)
PS: Leaking a closed private beta is even worse than using one!!!
RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by vincerooney on 11-25-2005 at 04:21 PM
I stand corrected cookierevised.
But surely microsoft could fight some of the above reasons. By creating a 'report bug' link and emailing it to beta testers only. I know what you're thinking 'but people would exchange it like they did the messenger' but surely not in such high numbers?
As for damaging the reputation of the company. Well thats the peoples fault for downloading an illegal beta? People will always download MSN (WLM) regardless. i wouldnt speed things up if i were microsoft but just continue issuing the statement 'well you shouldn't be downloading it...'
most people wouldnt be ignorant enough to try and whine about the product then they know they got it illegally.
anyway thanks for your views. very interesting.
RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by brian on 11-25-2005 at 05:04 PM
I haven't received any emails from Microsoft about the WLM beta, I have BETA tested for MSN7 and 7.5 though.
RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by RebelSean on 11-25-2005 at 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by nvez
I haven't received any emails from Microsoft about the WLM beta, I have BETA tested for MSN7 and 7.5 though.
Maybe because those invites might not have been mailed yet?
RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by John Anderton on 11-25-2005 at 06:21 PM
quote:Actually there should be a way to figure out who leaked the beta. I have a few ideas and i seriously want to contact the messenger branch of MS. Cookie might you have some ideas ??
Originally posted by CookieRevised
PS: Leaking a closed private beta is even worse than using one!!!
And any person found leaking a beta should be not only scrapped from the program but also never allowed into something like this as far as possible
A fine and stuff would be great Tho not possible
RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by RebelSean on 11-25-2005 at 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by John Anderton
quote:Actually there should be a way to figure out who leaked the beta. I have a few ideas and i seriously want to contact the messenger branch of MS. Cookie might you have some ideas ??
Originally posted by CookieRevised
PS: Leaking a closed private beta is even worse than using one!!!
And any person found leaking a beta should be not only scrapped from the program but also never allowed into something like this as far as possible
There are pluses for leaking things. NO, I'm not saying it's fine to leak things. I'm a firm stander on not leaking things, except information (News purposes only). The way I see it, is that if a product is leaked and people hack it to use it, it means that people want it. Thus meaning that people WANT to use the betas. The more people using the betas, the more bugs can be found. Cookie is right though, half the crap reported are not bugs at all but local computer/connection problems.
When the wonderfull little prompt comes up "MSN Messenger has encountered a error and needs to close", and you send a bug report, it is likely that if a huge number of people also report and have that bug it will be fixed. That is the only plus I see in it.
Oh yeah, not to mention that the first leak was Microsoft's fault for posting it on the live website.
Like Jonathan said, "If your product is getting leaked, then it's doing good"
.Now, back to your original post about stopping leaking. I thought of this a while back when I was discussing the new CNI with a few other people. Why not tag each download by a beta tester? As to say, you have to be logged in and each download will be tagged? That way when someone leaks it, it will be easy to track the leaker and get them out of the beta. There is always going to be leaks, always. There are going to be people who give in to there friends and send them the beta. It's just a matter of getting those who will leak the product out of the beta.
RE: RE: RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by Salem on 11-26-2005 at 03:36 PM
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Originally posted by vincerooney
But anyway what im asking is then the actual release date of the proper beta comes about. as in the one published to the testers. once that happens i know it'll be about 2 months or so until the official release date.
No one knows when the Beta program will begin.
It might be longer than two months of beta testing before it is officially released to the public. Version 7.0 was in Beta from about October 'til April (5 or 6 months). And as 8.0 is a major release i don't expect a 2 months Beta. 7.5 was in Beta for 1 month, and that didn't add as many new features as 8.0 will include.
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Originally posted by John Anderton
Actually there should be a way to figure out who leaked the beta. a beta should be not only scrapped from the program but also never allowed into something like this as far as possible
Yes, i'm sure there could be ways of tracking down who leaked the beta. Except the beta of WLM (Windows Live Messenger) was NOT leaked. It is being officially hosted by Microsoft on it website.
But yes i do agree with you, for betas that have been leaked, there should be a penalty for leaking. At least one tester of MSN Messenger 7.0 who leaked it was found and was removed from the Beta.
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Originally posted by thc2010
did anyone register to be a tester for Live Connect?
Im wondering if thats why we all got the email
Beta tester for Live Connect? what do you mean?
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Originally posted by BeerBro
do you know if Microsoft actually contact you for info during the beta test?.. like through phone or mail?...
Microsoft will be in contact with those in the Managed Beta via the Private Beta Newsgroups, Email and maybe even via the Microsoft Connect Website. If you are on the Closed Beta, Microsoft will be in contact with you via public Newsgroups, and possibly e-mail. For more information about the difference between the Managed and Closed Beta's see this blog
RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by Eddie on 11-27-2005 at 09:22 AM
Is anyone else having trouble using Audio with The new build?? i cant seem to do anything audio apart from voice clips, help please
RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by Salem on 11-27-2005 at 10:04 AM
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Originally posted by DevilFX
Is anyone else having trouble using Audio with The new build?? i cant seem to do anything audio apart from voice clips, help please
Are you maybe using this build with the hack. I haven't tried using the WLM 8 builds yet, so i cannot confirm this error. It might be posssible that the downgrader is not allowing the audio to work.
RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by Eddie on 11-27-2005 at 10:10 AM
Ok Thanks.
RE: RE: Windows Live Messenger 8.0.0363 by chatty on 11-28-2005 at 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by John Anderton
quote:Windows live messenger is not meant to be used by the public. It is a private beta and should/can be used (legally) by official microsoft testers who have been admitted to the windows live messenger beta testing program
Originally posted by chatty
i downlaoded windows live messenger from this link http://download.microsoft.com/download/
it works but i cant use my email address can some1 help me get around this problem error 810003cc
the link starts of wif that
I suggest you remove windows live messenger (since you are not an official beta tester) and you work with msn messenger 7.5 till an update is released
All messenger updates are available at http://messenger.msn.com and that is the site that should be refered to for the latest version
quote:Why cant i find a link there
Originally posted by chatty
i downlaoded windows live messenger from this link http://download.microsoft.com/download/
Something smells fishy
im sorri i didnt make it clear enough it starts of wif http://download.microsoft.com/download/ i wont tell u the rest