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messenger:mate gets lower! by Millenium_edition on 12-10-2005 at 11:26 AM
http://www.versoworks.com/mm/?p=compare
not only this page contains false information, but it also forgets to mention every possible feature of plus! and forgets to mention messenger:mate is paying 
RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by Discrate on 12-10-2005 at 11:29 AM
The only reason its displaying false information is to make the add-on they are suplying look good. Also i dont think many people will download that, well atleast i hope not it probably has spy ware and other harmful stuff in it
P.S im sighing up on there forum and im going to tell them that they have false infomation displayed
RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by Plik on 12-10-2005 at 11:40 AM
quote:
Originally posted by joelm
The only reason its displaying false information is to make the add-on they are suplying look good. Also i dont think many people will download that, well atleast i hope not it probably has spy ware and other harmful stuff in it
P.S im sighing up on there forum and im going to tell them that they have false infomation displayed
They dont have false information displayed at all.
They have just got a biased comparason, by only using the features that messenger:mate has in the comparison.
RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by Discrate on 12-10-2005 at 11:47 AM
msg mate msgplus
Bundles Adware/Malware NO YES
look theres a bit of false infomation
RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by Menthix on 12-10-2005 at 11:51 AM
MsgPlus! does bundle Adware. It's optional, but it is bundeled.
quote:They don't mention spyware anywhere.
Originally posted by joelm on messenger:mate forum
Are the owners of this site aware that you are displaying false infomation about msgplus on your check list about your IM? one thing you said is that msgplus bundles advertisments and spy ware into there prgram. this is not true also forgets to mention every possible feature of plus!
here is the check list http://www.versoworks.com/mm/?p=compare
RE: RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by Discrate on 12-10-2005 at 11:54 AM
quote:
Originally posted by MenthiX
MsgPlus! does bundle Adware. It's optional, but it is bundeled.
yer i know that but they should put that on there so people know. If i didnt know this and i say it was bundled i wouldnt get msgplus
RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by Millenium_edition on 12-10-2005 at 11:54 AM
Log Contact Events YES NO
Log Personal Messages YES NO
ain't that false then?
RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by Menthix on 12-10-2005 at 11:57 AM
quote:Well that would be very kind of them, but also very stupid of them if they did. They advertise their own product on their site, why on earth would they take any effort in making Messenger Plus! look good?
Originally posted by joelm
they should put that on there so people know.
quote:Those are false indeed.
Originally posted by Millenium_edition
Log Contact Events YES NO
Log Personal Messages YES NO
RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by linx05 on 12-11-2005 at 04:37 AM
That program doesn't look too bad.
And why not post that in their forum MenthiX? Joelms got locked because it wasn't the correct information.
RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by ShawnZ on 12-11-2005 at 05:19 AM
http://www.versoworks.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=14850#14850
RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by Joe on 12-11-2005 at 05:24 AM
quote:I don't remember what feature i e-mailed them about, but they removed it from te comparison list... i'm not sure if it's back, but the e-mail didn't hurt.
Originally posted by MenthiX
quote:Well that would be very kind of them, but also very stupid of them if they did. They advertise their own product on their site, why on earth would they take any effort in making Messenger Plus! look good?
Originally posted by joelm
they should put that on there so people know.
quote:Those are false indeed.
Originally posted by Millenium_edition
Log Contact Events YES NO
Log Personal Messages YES NO
RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by riahc4 on 12-12-2005 at 04:34 PM
quote:Um but that guy's replied owned you more or less....
Originally posted by ShawnZ
http://www.versoworks.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=14850#14850
They were smart/tricky with their words no doubt.
RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by Concord Dawn on 12-13-2005 at 12:32 AM
quote:
Originally posted by riahc4
quote:Um but that guy's replied owned you more or less....
Originally posted by ShawnZ
http://www.versoworks.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=14850#14850
They were smart/tricky with their words no doubt.
Well, he's actually right, especially about the default installation part. However, the malware part isn't correct. The sponsor comes with an uninstaller, if he actually looked instead of just assuming, then he'd know better.
Also, even though the sponsor comes "bundled" technically, it is optional. He should give Plus! some credit for that.
RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by L. Coyote on 12-13-2005 at 12:54 AM
Bah, who uses that crap? 
Every donkey pulls to their own side. All companies (and "companies") do this, you see it on those cleaning products ads on TV... 
RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by ShawnZ on 12-13-2005 at 12:59 AM
quote:
Originally posted by riahc4
quote:Um but that guy's replied owned you more or less....
Originally posted by ShawnZ
http://www.versoworks.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=14850#14850
They were smart/tricky with their words no doubt.
Not really...
He was wrong about it being malware. He was also wrong about it requiring the small program to be open all the time. wrong about custom names, wrong about basically everything. If he hadn't locked that thread too i'd own him till he ran to his mother.
RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by Chrono on 12-13-2005 at 01:49 AM
That program sucks, no one will ever download it, so why do you bother?
btw: http://www.versoworks.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=328 
RE: RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by Just1n on 12-13-2005 at 02:02 AM
quote:This classification is really a matter of opinion. Some people view adware as being a type of malicious software; I certainly don't view adware as being munificent in my book.
Originally posted by ShawnZ
Not really...
He was wrong about it being malware.
quote:On the Versoworks forum, you replied
Originally posted by ShawnZ
He was also wrong about it requiring the small program to be open all the time.
quote:It seems that your posts on this forum, and your posts on the Versoworks forum are contradicting eachother. Anyways, MsgPlus!, in a standard configuration, does require the detection program to run.
Originally posted by ShawnZ
with the standard configuration, only a small msnm detection program remains running, but not msgplus itself.
quote:The custom names feature of Messenger:Mate far surpasses that of MsgPlus!. Custom names in Messenger:Mate appear in all aspects of the program; while custom names in MsgPlus! only appear in a select, and very few, number of places.
Originally posted by ShawnZ
wrong about custom names
quote:You really shouldn't speak in such generalities. It reflects that your aptitude is that of a child.
Originally posted by ShawnZ
wrong about basically everything
quote:Again, maturity lacks in this comment. The thread was locked because your statements were baseless and your point was aimless.
Originally posted by ShawnZ
If he hadn't locked that thread too i'd own him till he ran to his mother.
RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by Voldemort on 12-13-2005 at 02:23 AM
and who are you 
?
RE: RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by Just1n on 12-13-2005 at 02:26 AM
quote:Although I feel that your post was pointless and you don't deserve an answer, I'm a user of Messenger:Mate. Just for clarity, I've tried both add-ons.
Originally posted by damm-o
and who are you
RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by ShawnZ on 12-13-2005 at 02:28 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Just1n
It reflects that your aptitude is that of a child.
quote:
Originally posted by Chrono
That program sucks, no one will ever download it, so why do you bother?
btw: http://www.versoworks.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=328
and he's 20 =p
RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by Just1n on 12-13-2005 at 02:30 AM
...but that doesn't justify your actions. Obviously he must be your role model. Poor choice.
RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by Voldemort on 12-13-2005 at 02:33 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Just1n
Although I feel that your post was pointless and you don't deserve an answer, I'm a user of Messenger:Mate. Just for clarity, I've tried both add-ons.
Me too. M:M is crap.
RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by Just1n on 12-13-2005 at 02:35 AM
That's your personal opinion. I'm still not seeing any justification or warrant for you to initiate a lampoon campaign of Messenger:Mate, Versoworks, and/or the creator/owner.
I highly doubt that you've tried the recent versions of the product. Maybe, a while ago, you tried the "Lite" version, but not the most current. Please do so before labeling and comparing.
I highly enjoy the fact that "ShawnZ" reviewed my original post, but his reply only slightly addressed my comments. He completely failed to address my disprooving of 99% of the statements he made against Messenger:Mate.
RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by matty on 12-13-2005 at 02:49 AM
I don't blame them for trying to plug their software especially since you have to pay for it. From what I can see is it is a replacement to MSN Messenger similiar to Trillian. Now if this is correct they should be aware that it is illegal to use the MSN Messenger servers without consent from Microsoft themselves. Now again if this is the case a client cannot be compared to an Add-on. Clients can do much more then an addon can simply because there are less limitations. If the creators would be willing to provide me with a copy of it I will be willing to test it out and compare the two.
RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by brian on 12-13-2005 at 02:58 AM
Don't come to our forums, whining about your ripped software from MsgPlus! with the random bullcrap on your site.
We don't want you.
RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by linx05 on 12-13-2005 at 03:03 AM
nvez, a couple people from here went into their forums. He obviously thinks what they said was wrong, so he came into here trying to give the right facts (don't go and post about who is right and wrong here, I've just skimmed through the stuff).
He has a right.
Would someone like to give the right facts?
Matty, it looks like it is something like Plus!. It isn't an MSN Client, it hooks into MSN just like Plus! does 
.
RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by Chestah on 12-13-2005 at 06:41 AM
well imo Patchou should make a comparison page, possibly linked to from the main page itself "Msgplus Compared to other Alternatives".
Stating at the top that the content on this page is fairly comparing the features of both msgplus and msn:mate with a link to the msn:mate comparsion.
RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by John Anderton on 12-13-2005 at 06:58 AM
People who make such claims/comparisions without actually checking the features that plus has suck !!!!
Should we write a letter to the admin stating about the mistakes that they have made (intentionally ?? possibly to promote their product)
RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by Chrono on 12-13-2005 at 08:03 AM
quote:i dont think so
Originally posted by Just1n
Obviously he must be your role model.
quote:Errr you dont even know me?
Originally posted by Just1n
Poor choice.
quote:Patchou wouldn't do something like that and you know it.
Originally posted by Chestah
well imo Patchou should make a comparison page, possibly linked to from the main page itself "Msgplus Compared to other Alternatives".
These people are just jealous of Plus!' popularity and are hoping that someone believes this kind of biased comparison. They talk about what features are on M:M and aren't on Plus!, even though we know that if we did the opposite comparison the chart would be way bigger
.
RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by Menthix on 12-13-2005 at 08:56 AM
quote:Some of use came to the Messenger:Mate forum, doing the exact same. What did you expect?
Originally posted by nvez
Don't come to our forums, whining about your ripped software from MsgPlus!
EDIT:
I don't understand why some people make such a big deal out of this. There are hunderds of pages claiming Plus! contains viruses and a whole lot of other stuff is written. And when some small plugin tries to get some attention, peoplw act like it's the worst thing they seen.
The guy admitted he was wrong about two things and he changed it. You could discuss if it's alware or not for ages... the truth is: There are banners and a searchbar bundled (optional doesn't mean something is not bundeled). People label searchar plugins as malware... at least it doesn't say spyware or virus.
All the other things that are left on the page are true. Ofcourse everything is written in a way to makes his own program look good. The guy would be insane when he didn't do that.
RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by Dempsey on 12-13-2005 at 09:57 AM
I bought Messenger:Mate a while ago to give it a try and I didn't keep it for long cos there wasn't much special, except for the theming, thats quite cool, but I think it just pretty much patches the exe on Messenger startup, not sure.
RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by linx05 on 12-13-2005 at 10:50 AM
From what I've read (actually you started the topic ) it doesn't patch the exe. Here is the thread in question: Theming.
RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by Millenium_edition on 12-13-2005 at 10:59 AM
quote:and the fact that the admin deleted the topics that don't go along with his opinion is mature? the fact that he needs a biased comparison, thats shows what plus! can not do, is mature? didn't he steal code from stuffplug?
Originally posted by Just1n
I highly enjoy the fact that "ShawnZ" reviewed my original post, but his reply only slightly addressed my comments. He completely failed to address my disprooving of 99% of the statements he made against Messenger:Mate.
it just shows the low level of respect the author of messenger:mate has. he doesn't deserve the money he gets by selling his add-on.
RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by Just1n on 12-13-2005 at 12:10 PM
Obviously none of you have heard of a little thing called propoganda. If biased comparisons hurt your feelings, maybe you should turn off your televisions and quit reading newspapers and magazines.
RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by Millenium_edition on 12-13-2005 at 03:30 PM
quote:you're right, they hurt our feelings. i'm actually now using my wireless connection to post this from my little pathetic emotional corner.
Originally posted by Just1n
Obviously none of you have heard of a little thing called propoganda. If biased comparisons hurt your feelings, maybe you should turn off your televisions and quit reading newspapers and magazines.
not to mention this is actually something where changes can be made, whereas television/newspapers/radio's are resources we can hardly change.
another thing: it's not because tv/newspapers/etc are biased that you have to be biased when promoting a product.
RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by Just1n on 12-13-2005 at 06:42 PM
quote:Are you kidding me? You can't change a thing; that's why you're so concerned.
not to mention this is actually something where changes can be made
RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by Millenium_edition on 12-13-2005 at 06:48 PM
quote:the webmaster is in direct contact with us via the forum - and he already made changes. what are you on about?
Originally posted by Just1n
Are you kidding me? You can't change a thing; that's why you're so concerned.
RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by Plik on 12-13-2005 at 06:52 PM
quote:what on earth are you talking about, of course we are concerned about it because we can make any changes, if we could make changes then we wouldnt be concerned, we would just make then changes :-\
Originally posted by Just1n
Are you kidding me? You can't change a thing; that's why you're so concerned.
quote:so, erm, where does plus need to display custom names? as far as i can see, the messenger main window, toasts and conversation windows are the only places where you need to show custom names.
Originally posted by Just1n
quote:The custom names feature of Messenger:Mate far surpasses that of MsgPlus!. Custom names in Messenger:Mate appear in all aspects of the program; while custom names in MsgPlus! only appear in a select, and very few, number of places.
Originally posted by ShawnZ
wrong about custom names
RE: RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by Just1n on 12-13-2005 at 06:55 PM
quote:You're correct; he made a few changes, but you didn't. You said you could change it, but you cannot. You can request that a change be made, but you cannot change it.
Originally posted by Millenium_edition
quote:the webmaster is in direct contact with us via the forum - and he already made changes. what are you on about?
Originally posted by Just1n
Are you kidding me? You can't change a thing; that's why you're so concerned.
RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by Plik on 12-13-2005 at 06:59 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Just1n
the webmaster is in direct contact with us via the forum - and he already made changes. what are you on about?
You're correct; he made a few changes, but you didn't. You said you could change it, but you cannot. You can request that a change be made, but you cannot change it.
quote:where does that say the he can make the changes?
Originally posted by Millenium_edition
not to mention this is actually something where changes can be made
RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by Millenium_edition on 12-13-2005 at 07:00 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Just1n
You're correct; he made a few changes, but you didn't. You said you could change it, but you cannot. You can request that a change be made, but you cannot change it.
you got to be kidding me
RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by MeEtc on 12-13-2005 at 07:04 PM
M_E, why not just trash this thread?
RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by Just1n on 12-13-2005 at 07:05 PM
How does a website differ from an advertisement through a traditional medium?
You cannot change the ads you see on television, but you can get in contact with who's behind an ad that you dislike, disagree with, or disapprove of and send them a written request to either pull their advertisement or change it. It's still ultimately up to them whether or not they listen to and/or act upon your request.
I still don't see how the comparison page differs from an advertisement on television, the radio, a newspaper, etc.
RE: messenger:mate gets lower! by Patchou on 12-14-2005 at 02:38 AM
Let's not start a new M:M vs Plus! war. Thread closed.