Hello,

I am creating a new Instant Message application of which I would like to use a screen snap shot for a button on this particular application that would show ( MSG PLUS! ) as a button link for browser navigation. How can I get permission with the capture I've made for this purpose? The product application is FREE no additional embedded stuff either for capital gain, just simply a FREE application.

Below is the image I would like to use on a button for one of this applications choices.

IMG Button:

Respectfully,
LipoToid

What will that button do when you click on it and why is it there? Using the Plus! logo is alright on websites if you use them to promote Messenger Plus. But I don't know about integrating it in your own app.

Just a simple Yes/No for my request by someone that give the Approval or a subitute image in place of the one I've captured or even DisApproval.

Respectfully,
LipoToid

the only person who can give a Yes/No is patchou, as he is the creator

I had just posted an informal description of the application on mess.be and a request to use a snap shot image of mess.be for the same purpose that I am requesting here.

Instead of cluttering the server here please visit mess.be and goto the Forum Topic area:

Mess with MSN Messenger > Mess.be Site & Forum

There you'll see my request for image usage which is the same I am asking for here on MSG PLUS!.

Respectfully,
LipoToid

As Idium already told, the only person who can give you permission is Patchou. You can contact him on this matter at mplus@patchou.com .

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Originally posted by Kryptonate
As Idium already told, the only person who can give you permission is Patchou. You can contact him on this matter at mplus@patchou.com .

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Originally posted by LipoToid
please visit mess.be and goto the Forum Topic area: Mess with MSN Messenger > Mess.be Site & Forum

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Originally posted by LipoToid
Patchou had had given me an invitation to address any question from him before.

I simply didn't want to bother him because I fully understand how busy he is for the next varity of MSG PLUS! Live for support of WLM.

I thought that possibly there were others ( Admins ) that could give me approval, that's all.

Respectfully,
LipoToid

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Originally posted by LipoToid

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Well, since there appears to be only one way for the image to be approved, I've decided that maybe this is the interface that should be used instead.

Thanks to all for your information.

App Image The default will show last Topic:
1.

App Image Shows Forum Topics:
2.

App Image Shown as mouse hovers over the Triee:
3.

Respectfully,
LipoToid

I've modified the interface for an easier navigation.

ADFT Image 1:

ADFT Image 2:

ADFT Image 3:

At this time I probably won't modify the U.I anymore.

I am targeting for a release of Feb 1, 2006 Wednesday for the 1st ADFT Beta
Release for public download.

To Messenger Plus! Admins: I will not be posting anymore images until the ADFT Beta is released. I'll place the Beta in its proper place with the forum section. Thanks to you guys for allowing me to publish the content so far and Patchou.

Respectfully,
LipoToid

LipoToid, I understand that you wanted to use the button to directly link (or show) to the Plus! forums (PS: why didn't you say this directly in answer to MenthiX's post?, it could have prevented all the talking and replying ). If the button is indeed used to directly link to the official Plus! Live website, then yes you can use it.

If the button links to the forums (or shows another dialog which has to do with the forums) than rather not use the Plus! Live logo (might be confussing), but the logo from the forum itself.

Since you've adapted the UI of the program to use a treeview instead of buttons (good switch IMO), you could now change the tree nodes (+ - etc) into icons. You can use the "favicon.ico" files from the forums you included in that treeview for that.

For the Messenger Plus! forum this icon is found here:
http://shoutbox.menthix.net/favicon.ico

For MSNFanatic forum:
http://www.msnfanatic.com/favicon.ico
(though it needs some resizing)

For Mess.be:
you need to find a mess.be icon, since it doesn't seem to have a favicon.ico file.
EDIT (thanks to Dempsey): the main site has one though: http://www.mess.be/favicon.ico
Maybe, after confirmation from Dwergs, you can use that one...

If used in this way, nobody (incl. Patchou) will have any problems with granting you permission to use the icons.

Hi CookieRevised,

I did ask specifically when I 1st posted my request.

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I am creating a new Instant Message application of which I would like to use a screen snap shot for a button on this particular application that would show ( MSG PLUS! ) as a button link for browser navigation. How can I get permission with the capture I've made for this purpose?

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Does this work by scraping the page and manipulating the data?

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Originally posted by LipoToid
Hi CookieRevised,

I did ask specifically when I 1st posted my request.

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I am creating a new Instant Message application of which I would like to use a screen snap shot for a button on this particular application that would show ( MSG PLUS! ) as a button link for browser navigation. How can I get permission with the capture I've made for this purpose?

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
For Mess.be:
you need to find a mess.be icon, since it doesn't seem to have a favicon.ico file

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Originally posted by Dempsey

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
For Mess.be:
you need to find a mess.be icon, since it doesn't seem to have a favicon.ico file

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http://www.mess.be/favicon.ico

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Originally posted by CookieRevised

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Originally posted by LipoToid
Hi CookieRevised,

I did ask specifically when I 1st posted my request.

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I am creating a new Instant Message application of which I would like to use a screen snap shot for a button on this particular application that would show ( MSG PLUS! ) as a button link for browser navigation. How can I get permission with the capture I've made for this purpose?

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You didn't actually...

"browser navigation" doesn't say a thing about what the button will do. What "browser navigation"? And most importantly: to where?...

For all we knew, it could be a "navigation" to a webpage about cars.
And even if it was to a Messenger Plus! related site, it could well be an unofficial one. Even "browsing" to an official Messenger Plus! place can be not allowed and raise some questions. eg: clicking the button would open the forum shoutbox. Or clicking the button would open the forum. And as shown, this latter case (as it is now) is also not allowed with that image, as the image is not about the forum, but specifically about Plus! Live... etc... etc...

The question of what the button will do was also asked on the other forums where you posted about this, so at first, it wasn't clear at all...

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If it is as clear and as "logical" as you stated, the button must have opened a webpage to http://www.msgpluslive.net/, as that is what the logo means. Which clearly wasn't the intention. Thus, sorry, but you didn't specified it properly at first though (even by your own/MS' definition)...

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Originally posted by LipoToid
Why not just consider the merits of this effort as an extension for the IM user as a whole?

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
If it is as clear and "logical" as you stated, the button must have opened a webpage to http://www.msgpluslive.net/, as that is what the logo means. Which clearly this wasn't the intention. Thus, sorry, but you didn't specified it properly at first though...

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Originally posted by LipoToid
Why not just consider the merits of this effort as an extension for the IM user as a whole?

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Has got nothing to do with this. I never said it is a crappy product or anything like that in that context.

I replied because it was not stated exactly what the use will be of that button as it was not clearly stated (appart from some vague "it will open the browser").
I pointed out (in a simple info sidenote to my main post) that you didn't specified enough what the button would do, so nobody (including the folks on the other forum where the same question was asked) could give you any direct advise or suggestion if it is/was allowed or not... ...nothing more.

Anyways, and for what it is worth: It is a good and nice idea to make a program for.

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Hello,

Could someone point me to the location where the messenger plus! ( .ico ) file is located. It will be used for this ADFT application within the Tree Cntrl for navigating the nodes within this app for Messenge Plus!.

Respectfully,
LipoToid

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Originally posted by LipoToid
Hello,

Could someone point me to the location where the messenger plus! ( .ico ) file is located. It will be used for this ADFT application within the Tree Cntrl for navigating the nodes within this app for Messenge Plus!.

Respectfully,
LipoToid

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
For the Messenger Plus! forum this icon is found here:
http://shoutbox.menthix.net/favicon.ico

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I stated earlier that I would not be posting anymore images in the Topic area for the ADFT application but I thought that maybe I should post this one last image for review by Messenger Plus! Admins to make any comments (+) or (-) about the usage of the favicon.ico for Messenger Plus! that is used in the Tree of the ADFT application.

Image:

Respectfully,
LipoToid

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Originally posted by Matty

   
RE: Permission To Capture A Screenie

    quoteriginally posted by LipoToid
    Hello,

    Could someone point me to the location where the messenger plus! ( .ico ) file is located. It will be used for this ADFT application within the Tree Cntrl for navigating the nodes within this app for Messenge Plus!.

    Respectfully,
    LipoToid


    quoteriginally posted by CookieRevised
    For the Messenger Plus! forum this icon is found here:
    http://shoutbox.menthix.net/favicon.ico





    code:
    Private Declare Function URLDownloadToFile Lib "urlmon" Alias "URLDownloadToFileA" (ByVal pCaller As Long, ByVal szURL As String, ByVal szFileName As String, ByVal dwReserved As Long, ByVal lpfnCB As Long) As Long


    Public Function DownloadFile(URL As String, LocalFilename As String) As Boolean
        Dim lngRetVal As Long
        lngRetVal = URLDownloadToFile(0, URL, LocalFilename, 0, 0)
        If lngRetVal = 0 Then DownloadFile = True
    End Function


    Private Sub Form_Load()


        DownloadFile "http://shoutbox.menthix.net/favicon.ico", "c:\favicon.ico"
         
        ImageList1.ListImages.Add 1, , LoadPicture("C:\favicon.ico")
       
        TreeView1.ImageList = ImageList1
       
        TreeView1.Nodes.Add , , , "Messenger Plus!", 1
       
        Kill "C:\favicon.ico"
       
    End Sub

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Originally posted by Chestah
You might want to add some error trapping in there as well just incase one of the servers you're accessing are down.. infact why not just download the .ico images and add them into the application resources?

Error Trapping code:

Try
<<insert code here that you would like to happen>>

Catch ex As Exception
<<insert code here that happens when an error occurs>>
<< ex.message = string of the error that occured>>

End Try

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hehe sorry, yeah i didn't mean it in a correcting you sorta way .

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Originally posted by LipoToid
(...) Maybe I should post this one last image for review by Messenger Plus! Admins to make any comments (+) or (-) about the usage of the favicon.ico for Messenger Plus! that is used in the Tree of the ADFT application.

Image: http://www.LipoToid.com/ADFT/Alpha61.jpg

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Thanks guys,

The images for now are hard-coded. Later I will introduce a version that will allow one to make image selections for the Tree.
I want to get the parsing engine throughly working before anymore additional U.I. stuff.

Also, this is a C++ application and not a VB.

Respectfully,
LipoToid

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Originally posted by LipoToid
The images for now are hard-coded.

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Just one more bit of advice, you may want to ask those forums you're pulling content from for permission first.

Let me say this.  It is not my intent to take advantage of some ones website for content of anykind. The purpose of the ADFT application was to bring an extension to the IM user community a ( FREE ) tool that could benefit them by saving time.

I would strongly suggest you post your comment to GOOGLE, YAHOO, AOL, MSN and all search engines that I've not listed with your same comment.

At anytime that Patchou or anyone speaking on his behave says they would prefer me not to attach them to the ADFT application I will promptly abide their decision.

There is no hidden agenda here friend.

edit: Something I failed to mention.  The ADFT application doesn't harvest for achieving any or all content visually displayed.  It is a dynamic display only with no database content saved local or anywhere else. It does not contain a timer for automatics but it does require the user to activate by selection only. Simply said, It is a snapshot only of the last ( Today's ) posting of a Forum Topic or Sub Topic posters Title, Date, Original Poster, Last Poster and Link to the Topic for title content on that specific IM supported website to launch the user's default browser for examining the Topic Content.

I would strongly suggest also for anyone to examine the EULA for Microsoft's Instant Messenger 7.5+ or WLM, and tell me how many addons or application supports are out there which are truly legitimate and supported by the Vendor.  I believe you'd have your work cut off for you with that subject alone.

Respectfully,
LipoToid

what i don't understand is, why you want the logos in the first place. If you want to advertise, fair enough, but what you're doing sounds dodgy to me unfortunatly

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Originally posted by LittleK
what i don't understand is, why you want the logos in the first place. If you want to advertise, fair enough, but what you're doing sounds dodgy to me unfortunatly

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RSS, I found the one for MSG PLUS! NEWS, without Forum Topics.
Is there a MSG PLUS! RSS feed for the FORUMS TOPICS and
SubTopics for Today's posting?

I found another at: http://shoutbox.menthix.net/backend.php get=latestthreads
Not all Sub Topics from the Forums were shown from a
check of Today's postings from MSG PLUS! Forum Topics.

Respectfully,
LipoToid