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Windows Defender and MSG Plus by QuantumHybrid on 02-15-2006 at 09:21 PM
I hope this is the right place for this or if its already been brought up, sorry for reposting it.
Windows Defender is detecting MSG Plus as a High Threat. Is it safe to ignore?
RE: Windows Defender and MSG Plus by Dane on 02-15-2006 at 09:22 PM
Is it now? Thanks for the tip, ill look into it.
RE: Windows Defender and MSG Plus by Menthix on 02-15-2006 at 09:28 PM
Yeah, I noticed it too. But I didn't really care to report because Messenger Plus! Live is coming out soon enough. MP!L will be totally different and because of that detection by Windows Defender will most likely be different too.
RE: Windows Defender and MSG Plus by Kryptonate on 02-15-2006 at 09:42 PM
quote:it detects the optional sponsorprogram, if this won't change than I doubt there will be much of a difference.
Originally posted by MenthiX
Yeah, I noticed it too. But I didn't really care to report because Messenger Plus! Live is coming out soon enough. MP!L will be totally different and because of that detection by Windows Defender will most likely be different too.
RE: Windows Defender and MSG Plus by Chris4 on 02-15-2006 at 10:07 PM
Windows Defender sucks!
If you want to get rid of spyware, use Ad-Aware SE Personal Edition.
At a click of a button, Microsoft could just put "Optional Sponsor included", but nooooo! HIGH RISK - SPYWARE. I thought it got rid of spyware!? Msg Plus! doesn't even have spyware in the actual program OR the optional sponsor.
As if it's a high risk. 
RE: Windows Defender and MSG Plus by Patchou on 02-15-2006 at 10:17 PM
It only detects the setup has high threat. The software itself is not detected during Quick Scan. The problem though is tht its detected in Full Scan and this stupid new beta of theirs do not show you the list of any of the software detected now, except if you click on a special link. The only thing you get is a default Remove All button.
I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who's gonna either not using this product or stop using it. I don't think my users are going to be happy to see Messenger Plus! disappear suddenly without a reason or an explanation.
RE: Windows Defender and MSG Plus by guanako on 02-15-2006 at 10:55 PM
petition? doesnt this run the same engine as MASP?
RE: Windows Defender and MSG Plus by Menthix on 02-15-2006 at 11:04 PM
Don't know the technical background if the same engine is still used. But I guess so, just updated definition files.
Anyway, Microsoft Antispyware is indeed renamed to Windows Defender. Maybe because it does indeed likes to remove random applications instead of just removing spyware. Or maybe they renamed it to Windows Defender because it defends Windows' by allowing Remote Desktop while any VNC server is very evil. Or maybe they just renamed it because of the bad name in general they were building up. God knows.
Remember: This is the same software that thinks Symantec (Norton) Antivirus is a password stealing virus and corrupts Norton because of that so your precious system will not be protected anymore against viruses at all.
RE: RE: Windows Defender and MSG Plus by Chris4 on 02-16-2006 at 02:26 AM
quote:
Originally posted by MenthiX
Don't know the technical background if the same engine is still used. But I guess so, just updated definition files.
Anyway, Microsoft Antispyware is indeed renamed to Windows Defender. Maybe because it does indeed likes to remove random applications instead of just removing spyware. Or maybe they renamed it to Windows Defender because it defends Windows' by allowing Remote Desktop while any VNC server is very evil. Or maybe they just renamed it because of the bad name in general they were building up. God knows.
Remember: This is the same software that thinks Symantec (Norton) Antivirus is a password stealing virus and corrupts Norton because of that so your precious system will not be protected anymore against viruses at all.
Haha! Probely renamed it because of the bad name they was getting 
Not exactly any better now though is it?Never new that it corrupts Norton Antivirus and says it's a password stealing virus!! That's hilarious
Just backs up my post that Windows Antispyware/Defender is a stupid useless peice of junk.>> Use Ad-Aware SE Personal Edition (free)
RE: Windows Defender and MSG Plus by albert on 02-16-2006 at 03:12 AM
<offtopic>
I think the renaming has to do with the Windows Live thing.
I am no expert, so don't quote me on this, but I belive I read somewhere that Microsoft is changing everything to "Windows *product name*".
-MSN Messenger - Windows Live Messenger
-Hotmail - Windows Live Mail
-MSAS - Windows Defender
Etc..
</offtopic>
RE: RE: Windows Defender and MSG Plus by joemailey on 02-16-2006 at 10:00 AM
quote:
Originally posted by MenthiX
Don't know the technical background if the same engine is still used. But I guess so, just updated definition files.
Anyway, Microsoft Antispyware is indeed renamed to Windows Defender. Maybe because it does indeed likes to remove random applications instead of just removing spyware. Or maybe they renamed it to Windows Defender because it defends Windows' by allowing Remote Desktop while any VNC server is very evil. Or maybe they just renamed it because of the bad name in general they were building up. God knows.
Remember: This is the same software that thinks Symantec (Norton) Antivirus is a password stealing virus and corrupts Norton because of that so your precious system will not be protected anymore against viruses at all.
Norton sucks anyway, i stopped using it 2years ago uses too much system resources(Windows Xp SP2 Provides my firewall). I now use AVG free version. it works better than anything i have seen for home pc use AND its Free.
As for Windows Defender compared to ADaware 6 SE, adaware SE sucks. you think windows Defender is bad. Become ICT support technician you will really see how bad Adaware is, the amount of times i've had to fix Machines because Adaware remove SYSTEM DLL's.
As for Windows defender i like it picks up everything spyware are potentially harmful installed programs. E-donkey an stuff.
once you learn how to use the inorge feature life will be fine
Like i have it set to always inorge E- Donkey so after each test doesnt pick it up now
Also same With plus etc.
RE: Windows Defender and MSG Plus by Hank on 02-16-2006 at 10:07 AM
quote:
Originally posted by joemailey
As for Windows Defender compared to ADaware 6 SE, adaware SE sucks. you think windows Defender is bad. Become ICT support technician you will really see how bad Adaware is, the amount of times i've had to fix Machines because Adaware remove SYSTEM DLL's.
how could it remove System dll's? i use Adaware SE Professional, never had a problem with it,
RE: Windows Defender and MSG Plus by joemailey on 02-16-2006 at 10:58 AM
i've no Idea But its happen on a number of occassions, i've spent many nights repairs and reinstalling windows xp on friends machines.
Maybe people were installing stuff that changed there DLL's are modified them and thats why they were remove.
Now they just use MSAS/WD. Seem to enjoy it, as they can set it to inorge items/allow items.
I use to be big fan of Adaware, Use to use it on every system we have in work. Which i had the fun of installing. Soon it was replaced by MSAS/WD.
TBH Spyware 
i never get any now that i been aware of what to look for and stuff, i don't even get viruses anymore(unless i getting no CD crack etc. but AVG picks it up striaght away.)
RE: Windows Defender and MSG Plus by Hank on 02-16-2006 at 11:03 AM
quote:its spelt ' ignore' not 'inorge'
Originally posted by joemailey
set it to inorge items/allow items
iv'e never used MSAS/Windows Defender an never will, i
RE: Windows Defender and MSG Plus by joemailey on 02-16-2006 at 11:07 AM
Windows Defender is probably gonna be built in to VISTA so if you upgrade you probably will 
Window Onecare(sucks) might be built in to vista one or the other.
RE: Windows Defender and MSG Plus by Menthix on 02-16-2006 at 12:17 PM
quote:I'm not a fan of Norton either, but that isn't a reason for Microsoft to label it as virus and delete te installation.
Originally posted by joemailey
Norton sucks anyway
quote:I see you work and ICT. I work/study in ICT too and understand how people like us are able to decide if we really should remove the things that scanning software picks up or if we should just consider it a friendly warning. But Microsoft markets this software especially at unexperienced users. People who are not always sure what to do and tend to click next > next > next > ok without reading things. Those people end up with software removed or even corrupted and have no idea why. Like Patchou said it:
Originally posted by joemailey
As for Windows defender i like it picks up everything spyware are potentially harmful installed programs. E-donkey an stuff. Once you learn how to use the inorge feature life will be fine
quote:
Originally posted by Patchou
The problem though is tht its detected in Full Scan and this stupid new beta of theirs do not show you the list of any of the software detected now, except if you click on a special link.
RE: Windows Defender and MSG Plus by joemailey on 02-16-2006 at 12:31 PM
i was in middle of typing long post but decided i can't be assed lol
due to the fact that it doesnt really matter what we use or what we do in the end some one who no's what there doing always has to come along an fix it lol
oh yea does the term beta ring a bell i personnally forgot it was but since we're all waiting for certian beta, i guess everyone would realize
MSAS/WD is in beta so bugs for this and bugs for that.
maybe M$ is trying to ruin everything so we will al buy there products lmao
RE: Windows Defender and MSG Plus by Menthix on 02-16-2006 at 12:46 PM
quote:That shouldn't be an excuse for major mistakes like the Norton antivirus example. There are more mistakes like that they made before... like detecting www.startpagina.nl (the most popular startpage in the Netherlands) as a possible browser hijacker page. That ended up in a lawsuit and Microsoft needed to pay loads of money for it.
Originally posted by joemailey
MSAS/WD is in beta so bugs for this and bugs for that.
It would be fine when it was a closed beta, but it isn't. Many people rely on their software. There are enough people who don't know what beta means and don't know any better then "Microsoft is a trusted company, so I can trust all their software blindly".
RE: Windows Defender and MSG Plus by absorbation on 02-16-2006 at 01:06 PM
The thing is thanks to programs like this people actually think safe programs and websites are going to break their computer or steal there personal details, when in reality they are not.
RE: Windows Defender and MSG Plus by deejaybet on 03-02-2006 at 10:16 PM
nope ur rong der.. close but rong.. well at the mo u r neways... msn has software dat fights virus's an is a firewall wif a backup fing.. next to b added to the software is spyware removal... perhaps dey will make both products into one.. hu nos lol
its called: windows live onecare
RE: Windows Defender and MSG Plus by Voldemort on 03-02-2006 at 10:33 PM
quote:
Originally posted by deejaybet
firewall
A firewall doesnt fight any virus.
It prevents things to connect and send things to the internet, without previous authorization.
Proper english please.
read the rules.
It took me a long time to read your post compared to longer posts.
http://shoutbox.menthix.net/rules.html
RE: Windows Defender and MSG Plus by deejaybet on 03-02-2006 at 10:40 PM
sorry i was writing quickly.... i did not mean that the firewall was an antivirus, i meant that the program has an antivirus and a firewall and a tune up utility and a back up and restore features
i will re-write my post again below:
nope your wrong there, close but wrong.. well at the moment you are anyway, msn has software that fights virus's and is a firewall with a backup thing, next to be added to the software is spyware removal, perhaps they will put both products into the one who knows
its called: windows onecare live (still in beta mode)