I think we should have a new sticky.. - Printable Version -Shoutbox (https://shoutbox.menthix.net) +-- Forum: MsgHelp Archive (/forumdisplay.php?fid=58) +--- Forum: Messenger Plus! for Live Messenger (/forumdisplay.php?fid=4) +---- Forum: WLM Plus! General (/forumdisplay.php?fid=23) +----- Thread: I think we should have a new sticky.. (/showthread.php?tid=57129) I think we should have a new sticky.. by Poom on 03-18-2006 at 07:08 AM I see so many people, mostly new members, repeatedly asking about messenger plus for windows live messenger when we already have plus! live on development. I think that this is getting kind of boring. :/ Why don't we have a thread stickied here telling about messenger plus! live and its current status (private beta, public beta, due date, etc.) so that we can have room for other discussions about plus that can be more helpful instead? RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by Mnjul on 03-18-2006 at 08:18 AM
quote:Because we don't have a fixed date/schedule on it. RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by CookieRevised on 03-18-2006 at 08:29 AM
Which can be stated in that sticky thread... RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by albert on 03-18-2006 at 01:17 PM
I was for the idea, but most staff and members said that these new members would not read the stickies anyways.. which is kind of true. RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by qgroessl on 03-18-2006 at 01:19 PM Yeah... even if it's stickied I don't think anybody will read it.... And I'm sure people would ask anyway... A lot of new members don't bother searching using search, let alone looking for stickys. RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by lordy on 03-18-2006 at 01:20 PM Yeah i dont think anyone would read them neways. although then we can just copy a link to that sticky each time someone starts a thread about it. RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by Nathan on 03-18-2006 at 01:31 PM
Yep That's what I was thinking lordy16. RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by user27089 on 03-18-2006 at 01:33 PM Surely, WDZ could do an include thing, something like the "/me" or "/slap" commands on the forum... Where there is a thread with that in, simply type in "/explain_x" or whatever, and it types out the info automatically? It would be really helpful too . RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by Nathan on 03-18-2006 at 01:35 PM
Nahhhh he's too lazy RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by Menthix on 03-18-2006 at 01:37 PM No, linking to a central topic would be better. Because when new info comes available you can simply update the topic. Everybody who read old topic will then be linked to that updated topic. If we would use an alias like you say then the old topics will keep the old info. Plus a topic is less work for lazy WDZ . RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by NiteMare on 03-18-2006 at 04:28 PM
i say a message at teh top of the forums, that everyone can see but is not too intrusive thats really the only way people will see and read it before posting, it could even link to a sticky RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by GiantSpider on 03-18-2006 at 05:12 PM What about a post on the website? RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by John Anderton on 03-18-2006 at 05:14 PM This idea was already proposed but dont you think that most of the new users who sign up just to ask dont look at stickies ? RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by NiteMare on 03-18-2006 at 08:09 PM
quote: but they would see a short message at the top of the forums, like they have on http://community.mybboard.net/ RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by Voldemort on 03-18-2006 at 08:09 PM
No, i think it should be some EMS RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by NiteMare on 03-18-2006 at 08:37 PM
quote: if you check the foot note of the EMS, you'll se that i design that and thats what i'm talking about, its a nice quick way to pass on information, or draw forum wide attention to a certian thread WDZ doesn't ahve to use my EMS plugin, he can design his own, but mines pretty easy to use RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by Reaper on 03-18-2006 at 08:46 PM
surely what the title of the sticky thread is given will attract the attention of new members? RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by NiteMare on 03-18-2006 at 08:56 PM
quote: they don't look at threads, most noobies, just go to a forum whos title seems semi-appropriate, and then go striaght to the new thread button just a sticky will not make anybody but us see it, if threads made a difference, all the noobs would be seeing other noob thread and posting in those ones RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by Voldemort on 03-18-2006 at 08:56 PM
quote: I know. RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by NiteMare on 03-18-2006 at 08:57 PM
quote:lol, oh, it wounded like you were saying no to my idea RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by Wabz on 03-18-2006 at 09:03 PM
I like the idea of having a big banner at the top of the mainpage, and perhaps pages through the registration process it may take away about 50% of the n00bs from posting straight off. RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by NiteMare on 03-18-2006 at 11:23 PM
what do you think WDZ, wanna get rid of half the useless spam thats happining these days? RE: RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by CookieRevised on 03-19-2006 at 12:49 AM
quote:That's the idea... quote:Indeed. So even if people make a new thread with the questions and there is a reply with a link to the sticky, other people can easly find the new info also... quote:The website isn't read by people who come visiting here. Most people come from google or something, not from the website (I think)... quote:Tbh, if everybody thinks like that, this forum would be one big chaos. Not to mention why do mods/admins/patchou/etc make stickies in the first place then? Why are there half-stickies... Be sure that sticky thread ARE read by many people (and that includes new people). Of course not everybody (as in 100%) will read them, but if they prevent 1 out of 10 new threads, than they are usefull.. If every forum and its members think like that then of course nobody will get used to the term "sticky" and "important posts" and more and more people will think that posting duplicated threads is normal and the thing todo... PS: And why do you think many people ask the same question over and over again. It is not only because they don't bother to search, but the factor of constantly useless threads pushing down the interesting threads in the latest post pages is also a big factor; Everything is connected with eachother. ------------- There is no reason what-so-ever to not make a sticky thread about this and update it regulary (or when new info becomes available). RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by NiteMare on 03-19-2006 at 12:54 AM
quote:your forgeting, we're not talking about everybody, we're talking about people that don't search, don't read other posts, and just go striaght to posting a new thread and asking for it, stickys won't make a difference, because if they went to the proper forum, were the sticky would be located, there is most likly already another thread there asking for plus!live, if they don't read that thread, what make you so sure they would read a sticky RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by albert on 03-19-2006 at 12:59 AM
quote: I think Cookie makes a point there, no one looses anything at doing this. Updating it a few times when dates are available or whatever will not hurt anyone. It will only make it easier for members to link newbies to a well documented page. I'm up for that idea. RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by simsgenius on 03-19-2006 at 01:05 AM because the people who ask that question don't read a thing and just come marching in asking and wait for an answer cause they're too lazy to look. RE: RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by CookieRevised on 03-19-2006 at 01:08 AM
quote:We (at least I am) ARE talking about everybody. The people you talk about are a minority, despite what you might think. And even if we are only talking for us, it would be also usefull for "us" only. There are always people who don't search, but there are far less people who don't search AND don't look at a very first thread title AND don't read other threads AND just clicking on "New Thread". As I said, if it saves 1 new thread out of every 10 new threads then it is worth while.... I seriously can not understand why you should not create such a sticky thread. There is no reason at all to not do it. quote:I'm sure that not everybody is going to read it, and I also did not say or suggested that duplicated threads would be something from the past; they will always exist. But it isn't because 5 absolute n00bs don't read such a thread that nobody does. People do not search because searching is an "art" so to speak, you wont always have result strait away, it takes time, etc. A sticky thread doesn't need to be searched... Again, I really, really do not understand why a sticky should not be created and what is so bad about a sticky. It has nothing than advantages, there are no disadvantages at all ([sarcastic]other than maybe he/she who create it must actually make a new thread... whoooooo hard labor... we rather make spam threads...[/sarcastic]) quote:So? Again: what is the problem in having a sticky then? If everybody still comes marching in, you simply can link to the sticky. Advantages: - people have all the info at once (beta testers are choosen, is closed beta, release when finished, blahblah) - no need for a thread with 10 posts and still not all the info. 1 reply and report the thread for closure, finished... - you don't need to write anything in reply, just the link and "please read this" or "here is all the info you want" In fact, a sticky means that you, as a helper, can be lazy and yet still helping people out... --------------- And for those who claim that stickies don't work... Take a look at when the "Blockcheckers do not work" thread was created and also look at its amount of views. Threads about blockcheckers dropped rapidly (of course from time to time people still make a thread of it, but that's to be expected, at least there aren't constantly threads about it anymore. Like it was before that sticky)... Same with all the other existing stickies... RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by NiteMare on 03-19-2006 at 01:55 AM i'm not saying don't make a sticky, i'm saying put a small message at the top of the forum, directing those to the sticky, so EVERYbody can find it, nice and quickly RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by Chrono on 03-19-2006 at 03:35 AM
I just posted a sticky thread about it, now if you think that something else should be added, please let me know RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by NiteMare on 03-19-2006 at 04:24 AM
quote: i agree with the sticky, but i think a SMALL banner, like on the mybb community forum, saying, "For info on Messenger plus! and WLM compatablity, click here" that would not annoy me, it those threads that annoy me RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by Discrate on 03-19-2006 at 08:00 AM Somthing needs to be done, I think either put stickys up or put something in the sighnup page saying Do not ask when betas are coming out do not ask to be beta tester and what ever else. RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by NiteMare on 03-19-2006 at 08:18 AM there already is a sticky, chrono jsut made it, but the EMS idea would be best RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by Poom on 03-19-2006 at 09:26 AM
I did not have a chance to check this for one day and this much has happened. We have a sticky now! =D Well, I have to fully agree with Chrono about... quote: At least it can reduce the amount of topics and it doesn't hurt if we have one. RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by Menthix on 03-19-2006 at 10:50 AM
quote:I think you could add something like "Rumours say WLM final (non-beta) will be released to the public end April. But we haven't been able to confirm this with any trustable source". The rumour is actually started by a Microsoft developer who works on WLM. He said it in the WLM beta chat on 16 March: Q: [412] when is the next build going to release? A: We build every day but the final should be late April - we hope. But even what MS officials say in those beta chats can't always be trusted . But atleast it's some kind of indication. Just make sure you say this is only a rumour and it could be earlier/later too. RE: RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by Poom on 03-19-2006 at 11:59 AM
quote: Isn't that more of a WLM related information instead of MSGP! Live related information? RE: RE: RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by CookieRevised on 03-19-2006 at 01:37 PM
quote:Yes, but in this case it is related. People who ask for Plus! Live often also ask about WLM or say that they know that Plus! will be released after WLM goes public and say that WLM is going to get pulbic and ask where is Plus! etc... A note about beta testing, release date of Plus!, release date of WLM are all closely related and questions often asked in the same post. RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by Menthix on 03-19-2006 at 01:39 PM
True, but MP!L release is strongly related to WLM release. Plus, after "When will MP!L release?" and "How can i become a tester?" the third most asked question is probably "When will WLM release?". So why not include that in the sticky as well. RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by Chrono on 03-19-2006 at 07:56 PM Updated RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by NiteMare on 03-20-2006 at 03:34 AM
beta tester? RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by Chrono on 03-20-2006 at 03:39 AM
quote:You cant expect every newbie to read it... even if there was a banner, there would still be people who dont read it RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by NiteMare on 03-20-2006 at 03:53 AM the banner is far easyer to notice, everyone goes to the main page, the sticky on the other hand, is in one forum, out of meny, RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by Chrono on 03-20-2006 at 04:02 AM
186 views, not bad for a single day RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by Hank on 03-20-2006 at 04:05 AM
quote: you know Chon but others dont, i'd support a banner being there. which would help/stop these questions being asked all the time in a thread RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by Chrono on 03-20-2006 at 04:16 AM would help as much or little more than the sticky thread in my opinion RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by NiteMare on 03-20-2006 at 04:24 AM it would help alot more, we may know it, but i'd gladly look at a banner, then tell 100 people they can't beta test, OR direct them to the sticky RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by Hank on 03-20-2006 at 04:26 AM
quote:i totally agree.. dont need a sticky thread.. just a Banner RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by Chrono on 03-20-2006 at 04:26 AM
quote:100? O_o overreacting? i saw just 1 thread about it today still.. quote:We should stop this discussions, they are obviously avoiding this thread so it's kinda useless quote:oh c'mon, you cant say everything i said on a banner, unless it's extremely big RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by NiteMare on 03-20-2006 at 04:35 AM
quote:but thats the thing, we're not asking for everything you said to be on a banner, we're asking for a banner that says something short like: "for information on the next verion of plus, and beta testing, please see this thread" then link to your sticky RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by Hank on 03-20-2006 at 05:14 AM
quote: keep whatever needs to be said, keep it short an sweet so it can fit on this banner RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by Menthix on 03-20-2006 at 05:54 AM I prefer how it is now. Seriously, you won't die from pointing a few people to the right direction. it wouldn't wrk anyway if you put the banner on the index page only because many people enter trough search engines which send them directly to topics. And putting the banner on every page will inly irritate most people after they read it once. RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by NiteMare on 03-20-2006 at 06:06 AM
OK, you people obusiouly are annoyed really easily if something like this annoys you, so i created what i think the banner should look like, and if your annoy by this then nothing can help you RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by lordy on 03-20-2006 at 06:08 AM this hasnt really been an issue for other BETA releases so why is it now? Why does it matter if you hafta link a few people to the right thread, instead of having a honkin big ugly banner there? RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by NiteMare on 03-20-2006 at 06:10 AM
quote:What are you talking about, thats is not a "honkin big ugly banner" its small and blends in nicly RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by lordy on 03-20-2006 at 06:12 AM tbh it's ugly RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by NiteMare on 03-20-2006 at 06:15 AM its just an example, 2 minutes in photoshop, OBVIOUSLY, it will be nicer and smaller if WDZ makes it RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by lordy on 03-20-2006 at 06:16 AM anything there would just look ugly and out of place imo RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by NiteMare on 03-20-2006 at 06:18 AM
quote:your impossable WDZ, why don't you give it an attempt, and then let every one deside how it looks RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by Dane on 03-20-2006 at 06:19 AM I agree it hasnt been as big of an issue in other betas, but I think it is getting "Excessive" now and a nice, well blended banner would do some good. Even if the banner just appeared in MsgPlus Help and Support, MsgPlus General Chat, and Bug reports, covering all areas a user might look for it. RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by lordy on 03-20-2006 at 06:19 AM why is it such a big deal to have to link people to the sticky thread? RE: RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by NiteMare on 03-20-2006 at 06:21 AM
quote: exactly, another option, if you guys hate it so much, is to have an option to close it, or hide it, it could be open by default and if you find it annoying, you could click an X and hide it from your view RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by WDZ on 03-20-2006 at 06:35 AM
quote:lol, it looks terrible. Putting a message on the index would be easy because that little feature is already coded, and I don't think it would bother too many regular users there. The usefulness of putting it on every page is debatable... RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by NiteMare on 03-20-2006 at 06:40 AM
quote: well then go ahead and put it in once people register, they go back to the index page and see it RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by WDZ on 03-20-2006 at 06:51 AM ok... RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by NiteMare on 03-20-2006 at 06:56 AM see, that works, or a red font RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by lordy on 03-20-2006 at 07:01 AM that would just look.... aweful RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by NiteMare on 03-20-2006 at 07:03 AM
quote:you think everything looks awful RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by lordy on 03-20-2006 at 07:05 AM it might make it stand out, but it WOULD look terrible. RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by NiteMare on 03-20-2006 at 07:10 AM i don't think so RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by WDZ on 03-20-2006 at 07:23 AM I messed with it a bit... the background color and bold text should make it pretty noticeable, and possibly more annoying... RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by NiteMare on 03-20-2006 at 07:29 AM i think its fine now, lets see how well this works RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by matty on 03-20-2006 at 07:30 AM
quote:* matty slaps DZ... add into the code temporarily code: please? kthnx I don't really want to see it all the time but I guess for the time being it will be good so the new members stop requesting to have the beta or when it comes out or to be a tester. Note the above code is fake I don't know the variable the usernames are stored in lol. RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by WDZ on 03-20-2006 at 07:37 AM
quote:I hope you're joking... it can't be that annoying... RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by Panic! on 03-20-2006 at 08:02 AM
Can't you code something that detects if a user has under 100 posts, so it shows to them or something? RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by NiteMare on 03-20-2006 at 08:22 AM
yes it is possable code: RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by Plik on 03-20-2006 at 08:33 AM
Never fear, userscripting is here. RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by -dt- on 03-20-2006 at 08:37 AM
quote:err why add a load event? , greasemonkey is called on DOMContentLoaded , so you should be able to fuxxx the dom as much as you want then RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by Plik on 03-20-2006 at 08:47 AM
quote:* Plik forgot updated it now , get it from the same link in my last post RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by -dt- on 03-20-2006 at 09:05 AM
quote: i reupdated it.. also quote: RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by Poom on 03-20-2006 at 09:52 AM
*is stunned* RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by Pyroteq on 03-20-2006 at 10:17 AM
great banner guys RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by qgroessl on 03-20-2006 at 12:25 PM I like it... alot actually... should help RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by NiteMare on 03-20-2006 at 04:33 PM
quote:it wasn't my work i was commenting about, i know it looked bad, i'm not perfect with photoshop, i was commenting about the banner in general, but yes this banner looks good RE: I think we should have a new sticky.. by Chrono on 03-20-2006 at 05:22 PM
Thread closed, as the dodgy banner was finally added |