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Is it possible? (to petition MSN to assimilate Plus!) by fweilun on 05-06-2006 at 06:33 PM
Is it possible if someone were to create a petition so that Microsoft would add in the features that we have on Messenger Plus! to be implemented on MSN Messenger (or Windows Live Messenger)??
MSN Messenger is just too crappy...
(I especially want MSN Messenger (or Windows Live Messenger) to have a feature that enables you to have colored display names like in Messenger Plus!........) 
RE: Is it possible? by qgroessl on 05-06-2006 at 06:38 PM
It's possible... but I'm sure EVERYBODY here including me will be against it.... Microsoft could put them in if they really wanted to... But it would put Patchou out of work... and there'd be no MsgPlus! anymore....
RE: Is it possible? by fweilun on 05-06-2006 at 06:44 PM
Oh ._. Well the main reason is because many people don't have Messenger Plus! and some its features don't work with other people without it...
RE: Is it possible? by Shezi on 05-06-2006 at 07:06 PM
if i m not wrong then i think patchou is also working with microsoft.. then they may mutually make is enable...
correct me if i m wrong.............
RE: Is it possible? by Zahid™ on 05-06-2006 at 07:12 PM
quote:Is he?
Originally posted by Shezi
patchou is also working with microsoft
.
RE: Is it possible? by user27089 on 05-06-2006 at 07:46 PM
Shezi, you're wrong.
Patchou isn't working along side Microsoft, but they're very close in the projects, as in Patchou speaks to them a lot about his progress (afaik), but nothing that he does is approved by Microsoft or anything.
RE: Is it possible? by Reload2 on 05-06-2006 at 07:52 PM
If the functions of MsgPlus are included in MSN, all the community will be closed. And anyway, MsgPlus is an separate program that brings work to Patchou, so Patchou wouldn't like to be out of work
RE: Is it possible? by RaceProUK on 05-06-2006 at 08:14 PM
Microsoft understands how Plus! relates to Messenger, and won't make moves against Plus! anytime soon: it gets them too many users. Anyway, the Messenger team already has plenty to do: the last thing they need is to add so many features they can't do them all correctly. Messenger is buggy enough already 
RE: Is it possible? (to petition MSN to assimilate Plus!) by Nagamasa on 05-18-2006 at 12:26 AM
Microsoft MAY add some features, as Patchou adds more features. This is actually a good thing, as Microsoft can alter it slightly to provide better results (if you complain they arent good enought). 1 thing Microsoft should never add is Boss Protection, as Bosses might ban WLM altogether.
RE: Is it possible? (to petition MSN to assimilate Plus!) by Voldemort on 05-18-2006 at 12:32 AM
quote:
Originally posted by NagamasaAzai
Microsoft MAY add some features,
Sources?
RE: Is it possible? (to petition MSN to assimilate Plus!) by NiteMare on 05-18-2006 at 12:35 AM
quote:well common sence, look at it they are already puting in plus! features, like custom names, come back messages and offline messages are very similar, and so on
Originally posted by Nagini
quote:
Originally posted by NagamasaAzai
Microsoft MAY add some features,
Sources?
RE: Is it possible? (to petition MSN to assimilate Plus!) by qgroessl on 05-18-2006 at 12:46 AM
Soon I'm sure MS will start supporting colored nicknames... (suprised they didn't do that already actually).... and I'm sure they'll improve a lot on their chat logging.... and they've made it possible for Add-ins... which are in essense plug-ins.
RE: RE: Is it possible? (to petition MSN to assimilate Plus!) by Nagamasa on 05-18-2006 at 12:58 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Nagini
quote:
Originally posted by NagamasaAzai
Microsoft MAY add some features,
Sources?
Source: My brain and its assumptions, but if Microsoft doesnt add more feautures, how is it going to improve? If it doesn't, Microsoft will probably run out of versions by 10.x
RE: Is it possible? (to petition MSN to assimilate Plus!) by John Anderton on 05-18-2006 at 05:29 AM
quote:I think thats what he meant .... i was just about to say the same thing.
Originally posted by traxor
Patchou isn't working along side Microsoft, but they're very close in the projects, as in Patchou speaks to them a lot about his progress (afaik), but nothing that he does is approved by Microsoft or anything.
Microsoft shouldnt be copying Plus! features i believe and tbh plus! is a lot more actively worked on than msn (well wlm is being developed again so ignore that
)
RE: Is it possible? (to petition MSN to assimilate Plus!) by Stigmata on 05-18-2006 at 06:30 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Nagini
quote:
Originally posted by NagamasaAzai
Microsoft MAY add some features,
Sources?
Over the last 3 years feature apon feature has been copied.
Normally these are only minor ones.
Custom Names -> Nicknames
AutoAccept -> Sharing Folders
Plugins -> Addins
heh... ill think of some more later
RE: Is it possible? (to petition MSN to assimilate Plus!) by user27089 on 05-18-2006 at 06:54 AM
The custom name feature is really bad though, as you can't have a custom name in the contact list and have the nickname showing when you're talking to them.
Hopefully Patchou will add a feature to Messenger Plus! to do this, as he can do the custom names in the previous versions (where he masked the email address so that it showed the nickname). Surely he can mask the custom name so that it shows the nickname.
RE: RE: Is it possible? (to petition MSN to assimilate Plus!) by jordanspringer on 05-31-2006 at 05:46 AM
quote:
Originally posted by traxor
Hopefully Patchou will add a feature to Messenger Plus! to do this, as he can do the custom names in the previous versions (where he masked the email address so that it showed the nickname). Surely he can mask the custom name so that it shows the nickname.
Excellent Idea
RE: RE: Is it possible? (to petition MSN to assimilate Plus!) by High Speed Chaser on 05-31-2006 at 07:32 AM
quote:Here is one
Originally posted by Stigmata
Over the last 3 years feature apon feature has been copied.
Normally these are only minor ones.
Custom Names -> Nicknames
AutoAccept -> Sharing Folders
Plugins -> Addins
heh... ill think of some more later
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RE: Is it possible? (to petition MSN to assimilate Plus!) by sufcste on 05-31-2006 at 10:10 AM
See this thread and this post by Patchou - it shows the most recent contact between Micro$oft and Patchou.
RE: RE: RE: Is it possible? (to petition MSN to assimilate Plus!) by CookieRevised on 05-31-2006 at 07:19 PM
quote:Although MS slowly catches up, the features they include are often not as usefull as the original Plus! features. Sometimes they are in their own way (shared folders), but sometimes they seriously lack usefullness (nicknames).
Originally posted by UTI
Soon I'm sure MS will start supporting colored nicknames... (suprised they didn't do that already actually).... and I'm sure they'll improve a lot on their chat logging.... and they've made it possible for Add-ins... which are in essense plug-ins.
It is not always good that MS implements features which were originally in Plus!. But it is very good that they do it nevertheless.
Remember that WLM is a far bigger project than Plus! (programmatically). And far more people work on it. Also it is used on a waaay larger scale. All this means that everything must be tested deeper, more, and even better than Plus! (yes, I know there are always some bugs left; but do not underestimate the amount of work and bug-fixes they do each time!!!). Making Messenger costs an enourmous amount of money and time. Don't take it for granted.
And because of this it is quite 'normal' that MS does not implement everything the user asks, or not straight away at least. And that some stuff is implemented in a basic way (whereas the feature in Plus! had more options/possebilities).
quote:If this is added again (and I do hope so) then it will probaly work like it worked before. This means that email addresses must be shown in the contact list.
Originally posted by jordanspringer
quote:Excellent Idea
Originally posted by traxor
Hopefully Patchou will add a feature to Messenger Plus! to do this, as he can do the custom names in the previous versions (where he masked the email address so that it showed the nickname). Surely he can mask the custom name so that it shows the nickname.
'Masking out' WLM nicknames in the contactlist will not be possible because nicknames aren't unique strings; two contacts can have the same nickname. The only unique thing are the email addresses, hence why emails where shown in the contactlist when you enabled Plus!' custom names in Plus!3.
And if there is a way to get the WLM nicknames you've set from the registry (or from the API even?), I bet the Plus! custom names can be imbedded inside the already existing WLM contact information panel and nicknames. Then, in other words, maybe you could type something like: "[c=4]Traxor[/c]: (!N)" as the WLM nickname and it will be shown as "Traxor: Hi
me is traxy and this is my screenname 
" in the contactlist and chat windows.quote:Not quite the same.
Originally posted by Stigmata
Custom Names -> Nicknames
quote:Can't be compared like that. Shared folders and AutoAccept are two completely different things.
Originally posted by Stigmata
AutoAccept -> Sharing Folders
quote:Not quite the same again. And even more different than Custom Names vs. Nicknames.
Originally posted by Stigmata
Plugins -> Addins
Addins are seriously and extremely limited. Although there are some more things exposed for the user, the addins have a hell of a lot restrictions too (eg: you can only run 1 at a time by default afaik).