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want to keep older version, can I? by Philomela on 05-09-2006 at 07:12 AM
I just want a straight answer, and a solution if there is one.
I happen to hate change, and MSN Messenger has just told me when I tried to sign in:
"A newer version is available. You must install the newer version in order to continue. Would you like to do this now?"
The answer, is no, I don't like change, and I'd like to keep my version 6.2 instead of getting 7.5.
Can I get around this? or do I have to give in to Bill Gates and get something I don't want just because he and his cronies say?
(I'm sure it must be possible somehow, since I know some people still run 4.7, I used to and I think I gave in to the change when it forced me to update to 6.2. Why would there be sites like http://www.oldversion.com/program.php?n=msnm if it isn't possible to run them?)
Please help! Please tell me it'll be ok!
RE: want to keep older version, can I? by user27089 on 05-09-2006 at 07:15 AM
Really you should update to MSN Messenger 7.5, it is a very good version of MSN and you will get used to it quickly and easily, and definitely see the benefits of switching once you get it.
You can prevent this from coming up by using a patch, but patching is illegal, and chances are MSN Messenger 6.2 patches won't be available in a lot of places anymore.
(MSN Messenger 6 is barely support since Windows Live Messenger 8.0 is almost released, you're 2 version behind tbh 
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RE: want to keep older version, can I? by Felu on 05-09-2006 at 07:27 AM
If you really want to use a Patch and continue with 6.2Download A-Patch.
Edit:
quote:You'll be ok!
Originally posted by Philomela
Please tell me it'll be ok!
RE: want to keep older version, can I? by Reload2 on 05-09-2006 at 10:39 AM
Why people doesn't want to update? :/ You'll get new features
RE: want to keep older version, can I? by CookieRevised on 05-09-2006 at 10:52 AM
quote:some pointers...
Originally posted by Philomela
I just want a straight answer, and a solution if there is one.
I happen to hate change, and MSN Messenger has just told me when I tried to sign in:
"A newer version is available. You must install the newer version in order to continue. Would you like to do this now?"
The answer, is no, I don't like change, and I'd like to keep my version 6.2 instead of getting 7.5.
Can I get around this? or do I have to give in to Bill Gates and get something I don't want just because he and his cronies say?
(I'm sure it must be possible somehow, since I know some people still run 4.7, I used to and I think I gave in to the change when it forced me to update to 6.2. Why would there be sites like http://www.oldversion.com/program.php?n=msnm if it isn't possible to run them?)
Please help! Please tell me it'll be ok!
1) version "4.7" is _NOT_ MSN Messenger, it is Windows Messenger. That is a whole different program with its own life cycle. You still can use (the latest) Windows Messenger if you like (for now).
2) When using MSN Messenger 6.2, make sure you use he latest version for that branch. That is version 6.2.0208. Though you still would recieve the update notification because 6.2.0208 is getting obsolete and bug fixes will not be put out anymore for it!! Though, for now, the update notification is not a forced one, but it will be soonish.
3) When using MSN Messenger 7.5, again always use the latest version of that branch, atm this is MSN Messenger 7.5.0324
4) Getting around those update notifications is a bad thing todo. Not only do you violate the eula of ms messenger, but maybe more importantly you are using not so secure and old software. In case of MSN Messenger is is very important to always use the latest version (from the main branch you're using; and eventually branches die out and will be replaced by newer ones).
This also goes for many other (if not all) MS products, always use the latest build of a particular main version. And always update your PC or software with bugfixes.
5) Sites like oldversions.com exist for nostalgia reasons, nothing more, nothing less. Using old obsolete versions is at your own risk and indeed the risk is very high when you do this.
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I'd highly suggest to update to MSN Messenger 7.5.0324. It isn't all that different from 6.2 anyways. Failing to do will soon open you up for all kind of bugs and maybe even more bad stuff. The reason why you must update is not only for the bugfixes, but also because the protocol which MSN Messenger uses is updated too. Old protocols will not be supported anymore and if you don't update you soonish will not be able to even connect anymore.
Updates are done to make it safer for the user...
RE: RE: want to keep older version, can I? by Hitokiri on 05-09-2006 at 06:20 PM
I'm in the same boat as Philomela. I just hate the way that MS forces people to update.
quote:I don't want new features. I want to chat and use my webcam, I could do that with 6.2.
Originally posted by Reload2
Why people doesn't want to update? :/ You'll get new features
quote:And doing so may open you up for new bugs that replace the old ones, what's the point?
I'd highly suggest to update to MSN Messenger 7.5.0324. It isn't all that different from 6.2 anyways. Failing to do will soon open you up for all kind of bugs and maybe even more bad stuff.
quote:MS updates their products to keep things going and money flowing.
Updates are done to make it safer for the user...
Anyway, I'd like a working solution as well. I'm using an MSN alternative atm.
Tia.
RE: want to keep older version, can I? by CookieRevised on 05-09-2006 at 06:28 PM
You will never get a decent working solution unless you update.
RE: want to keep older version, can I? by absorbation on 05-09-2006 at 06:35 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Hitokiri
Anyway, I'd like a working solution as well. I'm using an MSN alternative atm.
I thought 6.2 still works? Anyway you can just change the version number by hex/ resource hacking it. Change it to the lastest version and voilia it should sign in fine.
If you want more information on doing this, tell me and I will explain
RE: want to keep older version, can I? by CookieRevised on 05-09-2006 at 06:55 PM
May I again strongly note thay there are reasons why some old versions don't work anymore or why there are updates being made!!!
People constantly complain about bugs, things not working, constantly worry about security and what not. They install all sorts of (crap) firewalls, virusscanners and other anti-stuff, but they don't want to update a simple product and/or install the latest bugfixes of Windows...?!?
Updates exist because they fix (sometimes big) security holes. You can patch out all the version numbers you like, the point is that this is NOT a proper "fix" or a proper thing todo and will only cause more harm!
Specifically for MSN Messenger there is also the issue of compatibility with the protocol and servers which are used. Old versions will simply NOT contain the newer protocols needed for the proper workings of Messenger.
Not to mention that eventually you WILL need to update as the older protocols will not be supported anymore at all.
RE: want to keep older version, can I? by Matti on 05-09-2006 at 07:13 PM
I wonder why people want to keep older versions instead of updating. Customers always complain about things which have to be updated, but when a new build comes out, they refuse to download. They keep their old build with less features, less support and more bugs. Then why are we updating those programs? If no-one wants to update, what would be the point of further developing programs? 
People are strange...
RE: RE: want to keep older version, can I? by Hitokiri on 05-09-2006 at 07:39 PM
quote:Thanks, it worked like a charm! For others who are interested, people with version 6.2.0205 should do the following. Open msnmsgr.exe in a hex editor and look for the hexadecimal "string" 30 96 46 45 E4 51, after it is the version number..just change the 6 to a 7 or something.
Originally posted by Absorbation
I thought 6.2 still works? Anyway you can just change the version number by hex/ resource hacking it. Change it to the lastest version and voilia it should sign in fine.
If you want more information on doing this, tell me and I will explain
If I violated some sort of agreement, MS can give me a call.
quote:And I think you people who consume program versions are strange. Updating everything like there's no tomorrow.. You all think that bigger is better and that's not always true.
Originally posted by Mattike
People are strange...
All and well if programmers IMPROVE their programs by putting out new versions, but some (read MS) just make it worse and bloated.
Nevertheless CookieRevised, I have no doubt you are right about several things. But I hereby declare using this outdated MSN version at my own risk. If the time comes to upgrade, we'll see.
RE: RE: RE: want to keep older version, can I? by CookieRevised on 05-09-2006 at 11:25 PM
quote:I'm sorry... but PLEASE follow the advise given or at least read what the latest versions are. I posted them before inclusief download links...
Originally posted by Hitokiri
Thanks, it worked like a charm! For others who are interested, people with version 6.2.0205 should do the following.
6.2.0205 contains severe bugs and security holes!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At the least update to 6.2.0208 as I stated before and don't publicize half-arsed tricks to get around the update notification. This isn't safe for you nor for those who attempt to get around it. Again: 6.2.0205 contains severe bugs...
quote:This isn't about violating an agreement (that much). This is more about putting yourself and possibily your contacts into (virus and malicious) danger.
Originally posted by Hitokiri
If I violated some sort of agreement, MS can give me a call.
quote:You are right about that but you are entirly missing the point we are making here. We do not say that you need to use the biggest, brand new, resource hogging Windows Live Messenger. We are saying that you at the least should update when there are bugfixes.
Originally posted by Hitokiri
And I think you people who consume program versions are strange. Updating everything like there's no tomorrow.. You all think that bigger is better and that's not always true.
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If I can be quite frankly, being stuburn and keep on using 6.2.0205 is nothing more than absolutely plain stupid. You might as well download and execute a virus strait away, so to speak.
And this has got absolutely nothing todo with "people who consume program versions are strange". It has nothing todo with constantly wanted/needing the absolute latest stuff with all the newest features. It has everything todo with being a bit smart and at the least updating when there is a bugfix for a certain branch of a program (aka: I am not speaking about 7.0, 7.5, nor 8.0, but about 6.2). Even if you don't like main version updates, at least update when there are major security bugfixes for a certain build!
RE: RE: RE: RE: want to keep older version, can I? by Hitokiri on 05-10-2006 at 02:03 PM
quote:There's nothing wrong with spreading objective information. You already pointed out the dangers, so smart people will think twice before applying the change. I don't care about the dumb ones.
Originally posted by CookieRevised
At the least update to 6.2.0208 as I stated before and don't publicize half-arsed tricks to get around the update notification. This isn't safe for you nor for those who attempt to get around it. Again: 6.2.0205 contains severe bugs...
It's about the principle of forcing people, and I don't respond well to that. And it's not a notification, access is denied.
Since you speak of major security holes in 205, I'll look into the latest build of MSN 6.2.
But then I'd still have to apply this trick when that version is blocked as well, if they still allow its protocol by then.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: want to keep older version, can I? by CookieRevised on 05-10-2006 at 03:53 PM
quote:That you don't want to update to .0208, because you're just stuburn (as there is absolutely no other reason), has got nothing todo with objective information.
Originally posted by Hitokiri
There's nothing wrong with spreading objective information. You already pointed out the dangers, so smart people will think twice before applying the change.
You want objective and a decent strait answer? Then update to .208... you would be surprised with the result.
quote:But we do care about the information given on this forum; It should be decent and correct.
Originally posted by Hitokiri
I don't care about the dumb ones.
quote:It is not about the principle of forcing people! Again, reread everything I've said (especially the firsqt post!).
Originally posted by Hitokiri
It's about the principle of forcing people, and I don't respond well to that.
quote:of course access is denied with .0205!
Originally posted by Hitokiri
And it's not a notification, access is denied.
Please read what I've said before instead of being dead stuburn and seemingly dismissing everything without even reading what has been said...
I clearly talked about .0208, as .0205 contains major flaws (again as I clearly said before). Update to .0208; on the outside you wont even see any difference. Again, this is not about being allergic to change or about forcing updates as nothing is even changed on the outside!
It is about you requesting a decent answer to your question but even dismissing the answer before you even asked it and not accepting an objective answer from people because your mind is already set up to something... so why bothering to even ask.....
RE: want to keep older version, can I? by Schockwave on 05-10-2006 at 04:21 PM
I have to agree with Cookie Revised, cannot understand why people do not keep their machines and softwares up to date. I always update everything, as I do not want buggie software or anything with security risks, and generally there are improvements.
The latest version is great.
RE: RE: want to keep older version, can I? by CookieRevised on 05-10-2006 at 05:31 PM
quote:indeed...
Originally posted by Schockwave
I have to agree with Cookie Revised, cannot understand why people do not keep their machines and softwares up to date.
...and keeping it up to date does not automatically mean you must have the latest and newest version. It means you need to apply possible bugfixes for the version you already have...
If that means an update to a major new version then so be it, but this isn't the case here.
eg: It is not because MS Office XP (or whatever) is the latest version that you need to install that to have all the bugfixes. You can still use Office 2000 or even 98 if you whish, but at least install the bugfixes for those (older) versions.
And that is what they don't seem to understand. Nobody is forcing them to use Office XP. We are mainly talking about applying bugfixes for the versions they already got (thus bugfixes for MS Office 2000 or 98).... But of course MS will force you to use a bugfixed version of MS Office 2000 if there is a major security flaw in it and that is nothing more than normal.
This is exactly the same for MSN Messenger 6.2....
There is a reason why build numbers exist, they indicate bugfix updates, they do not indicate major differences like brand new features or whole interface changes, that's what the major and minor number of the version is for.
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quote:well I'm not so convinced about that, but that is not the issue here
Originally posted by Schockwave
The latest version is great.
RE: want to keep older version, can I? by Schockwave on 05-10-2006 at 09:04 PM
I actually have Office 2003.
When I installed the previous beta version of WLM, did not like it, but this version is a lot better. There are always improvements that can be made, of course, but I like the fact that you can choose the colour of the main window and send messages to people, who are offline, just waiting and hoping that I can add my Yahoo contacts on there, as I seem to remember that we should be able to at some point.
All I need next is messenger plus and IMTiger for WLM!
RE: want to keep older version, can I? by Fanta on 05-11-2006 at 11:31 PM
Hmmm, I sure didn't want to update to MSN 7.0 and 7.5 when they came out. I found all the new stuff annoying and not needed and would rather have stuck to the older versions as well. I don't like change a lot either. But in the end, the new version also can be used for just chatting and camming, and you can turn most of the other stuff off. You actually get used to things fairly quickly as well. I rather have my pc protected and use software that's as safe as can be, then knowing I leave holes in my security open knowingly. You shouldn't want that either.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: want to keep older version, can I? by Hitokiri on 05-12-2006 at 06:38 AM
quote:You're mixing things up there. First of all, I never said I don't want to update to 208, just not to 7.x. Second, I never implied a relation between objective information and stubborness, you did.
Originally posted by CookieRevised
That you don't want to update to .0208, because you're just stuburn (as there is absolutely no other reason), has got nothing todo with objective information.
quote:Sounds like an opinion to me, not objective information. Anyway, I already updated to 208, as I said I would in my previous post (you should read more carefully). But you're missing the point, this version will probably be blocked as well and then I'd still need my (slightly adjusted) half-arsed trick.
You want objective and a decent strait answer? Then update to .208... you would be surprised with the result.
quote:It IS about forcing people to ME, that's enough. I've read all your posts carefully before replying.
It is not about the principle of forcing people! Again, reread everything I've said (especially the firsqt post!).
quote:Please point out where I dismissed any such answer. You compared MSN 6.2 against MSN 7.5.0324, so my criticism was pointed towards MSN 7, not 6.2.0208.
It is about you requesting a decent answer to your question but even dismissing the answer before you even asked it and not accepting an objective answer from people because your mind is already set up to something... so why bothering to even ask.....
edit: Anyway, in light of a couple of the previous replies maybe this article might be of interest to people. When I first read it, I wanted to dump Windows for Linux right away, and I'm still planning to as soon as I find the time. Of course, who's to say it's all true..but that's with everything and I have little doubt about this one.
Greetings.
RE: want to keep older version, can I? by CookieRevised on 05-12-2006 at 12:33 PM
I know 7.x and higher have a different user interface (though 7.x isn't that different at all), but I constantly talked about updating to at least 6.2.0208 because of the fixes, in contrast to you wanting to stay with 0205.
You rant about the issue that people are forced to update just because of features so new features which they wont use are pushed unwillingly in their throat. The fact is that most updates are in the first place done because of bugfixes; not because of new features.
If forced updates are done it means it is because of bugfixes, not because MS wants you to use the new features. If an update is almost only about features then the upate will NEVER be forced! An extremely good example of this is exactly MSN Messenger. Updates will NEVER be forced if they almost only contain new features; you would still be able to use older versions. And if an update is about new features they change the major or minor version number. If an update is done mainly because of bugfixes only the build number is changed.
But it is very convenient to forget and/or ignore all that and not make that distinction when ranting about how MS and updating is bad.
quote:I'm sorry but if you base your judgement on such an article where the biased opinion leaks of it like oil from an old car, you will encounter a lot of problems in your computer usage (being it based upon MS, Linux or whatever).
Originally posted by Hitokiri
edit: Anyway, in light of a couple of the previous replies maybe this article might be of interest to people. When I first read it, I wanted to dump Windows for Linux right away, and I'm still planning to as soon as I find the time. Of course, who's to say it's all true..but that's with everything and I have little doubt about this one.
I'm not saying MS is everything and always does the right thing and all, but that article clearly is written to put MS in a bad daylight and put together by someone who simply hate MS. It was not written to tell people the truth about MS at all or to give people decent information as that article is even so biased and full of wrong or twisted stuff and stuff convenient left out that it gets rediculus.
If you have little doubt that such an article is a piece of representative information, i surely can understand why you don't want to update programs. But it is exactly people not wanting to update stuff which feeds such stupid and biased opinions and articles.
Base you judgement on knowledge, not on some stuff you read on random pages (and knowledge isn't gathered by reading/believing everything you read on the net).
RE: want to keep older version, can I? by John Anderton on 05-12-2006 at 01:03 PM
wtf .... 7.5 is pretty good and stable and has pretty much everything you may need. I dont understand why people dont want to upgrade 
RE: want to keep older version, can I? by andrewdodd13 on 05-12-2006 at 01:22 PM
Well, just my 2 pence, but there are actually still a few bugs in .0208 that won't be fixed.
Although I will admit 7.5 uses ~a chunk (one chunk is 8mb... it's a personal term ) more memory than 6.2, but there really is no reason other than that to update, unless you're using a PC with 32MB RAM in which case I can see that software isn't the only thing you don't like updating....
The reason new versions (6.2->7.0 new) are indeed to make more "money" (use of ""'s because MSNM is free) but also because people do enjoy using these features (except in the case of Office XP->2003 that's just bloat ). There are a few new features in WLM8 that I can't wait to use (assuming the release version doesn't kill my PC every few minutes as well).
So, in short: Don't be a dinosaur! Upgrade - it's easier and safer .
Opinion of updates being better may be influenced by my habit of apt-get update followed by apt-get upgrade every morning
RE: want to keep older version, can I? by Philomela on 05-17-2006 at 07:18 AM
Sorry I took so long getting back to replying to this thread.
Thanks everyone for the suggestions, but I got into a bit of a panic that night.
And as for why I wouldn't want to upgrade is, like I said before I really really really don't like change. Some people don't seem to understand that. I have a real problem with it. Second reason is I like simple. I got my cellphone to use to talk to people. I don't need it to make emails or surf the web or take pictures. I want a *phone*. And I want an IM program. But I also like ot have histories of my chats, since I've insanely sentimental, so that's why I got MSNPlus.
If anybody's wondering, I'm back at Windows 4.7, which, back when I used this version, it was called MSN Messenger. Exactly the same, but named Windows now. I'm thrilled with it and had forgotten how much I liked my old version better.
Thanks for the help all.
RE: RE: want to keep older version, can I? by Matti on 05-17-2006 at 12:47 PM
quote:A little remark:
Originally posted by Philomela
If anybody's wondering, I'm back at Windows 4.7, which, back when I used this version, it was called MSN Messenger. Exactly the same, but named Windows now.
- Windows Messenger is the instant messaging client designed for Windows XP. Windows Messenger is only used for more corporate use, only providing the most essential features. It's latest version is 5.1.
- MSN Messenger is the instant messaging client made by the MSN group. MSN Messenger contains a lot of cool features, like games, display pictures etc. to bring your IM experience to the next level. That's why it's so attractive for the youth, and less for business use. The latest version of it is 7.5. (8.0 is Windows Live Messenger)