As many must already know the popular plugin stuffplug is going to release a new version for WLM 8 (now not as a plus plugin but as an independent program), however it was announced that both closed windows and open windows notifier will not be anymore...

That's because it worked with "when a user begin his connection with other user" and "when a user finish his connection with other user", and that's not neccesary when a user open or close a windows (for example if you see his space or his avatar the connection begins and if you don´t talk for a while, even without closing the window, the connection is finished)

However, as you can see in many msn forums, it was only a matter of getting used to it and to know it wasn´t 100% accurate... It was really useful anyway...

Is there a way (and someone who wants to do it ^_^) to make a script that notify when a connection with other user begins or finishes?

I think it already exists thay have released it.

It's http://shoutbox.menthix.net/attachment.php?pid=685671

I think it's the script you search

Now I see there were many topics about this

But the link you put was only a joke script that only opened the alert when YOU opened a window

Has someone made a "connection stablished/lost" script that really worked? (the name is because I don´t want to argue with people who say that it doesn´t work, because I understand what they say, but I want it all the same XD)

Many Many many people ask for it.
It doesn't work, and will never work.
So, I don't think this feature will ever come back. And I don't expect that there will be someone out there friendly enough to reintroduce it...
Face it.

It worked its way... But I don´t want to make this topic a war between people who say it worked and people who don´t (that's why I asked for a "connection stablished/lost script" and not a "open/closed windows script" ^_^)

Yeah, i know it worked, it did work sometimes for me too - often enough to make it acceptably reliable to me.
However, if you search the forums of Stuffplug for example: such requests made all developers so angry they decided to never reintroduce it again
Face it, no one is gonna waste their breath to that

if 2 people had the same program, the program could send a silent message to the other persont that thay have opend the window, and if they other person has that program, itll disaplay it as a toast, saying...

babab@hot.com has opend a windows with you

But that's not the idea... even that script existed less than 1% of your contact list would have it

And I don´t understand why if so many people ask for it somebody would not do it... but well, I will try to see if I can do it myself (I dunno XD)

I even had a few ideas how to make it A BIT more reliable, for example, if 1 o 2 minutes passed between the last messege, desactivate the "connection lost" notify... This way most "automatic connection finished" would not give a false "close window" notify... It wouldn´t be 100% accurate either, I know, but well... It's an improvement...

About the "connection stablished" notify, you always have the "contact is writing a message" message to know if the other contact really had opened the window and is going to talk with you... Although this don´t work if the other opened the window but wasn´t going to talk with you (yeah there are crazy people out there XD), so I wouldn´t make the script to wait for that...

(please don´t make this topic a war about "if it work" or "why would someone use it" or "nobody is going to do it", there are just too many topics about that in the forum. Instead make this topic a topic to talk about the script itself and how to make it the best we can for people who want it... And about people who think it's useless, just try to think this topic as a lot of crazy people talking about useless things but happy about that )

Anyway it's just not reliable. The feature can't be trusted, but if it was reliable I would have used it.

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Originally posted by tbcat
And I don´t understand why if so many people ask for it somebody would not do it...

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Originally posted by tbcat
I even had a few ideas how to make it A BIT more reliable, for example, if 1 o 2 minutes passed between the last messege, desactivate the "connection lost" notify... This way most "automatic connection finished" would not give a false "close window" notify... It wouldn´t be 100% accurate either, I know, but well... It's an improvement...

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Originally posted by tbcat
About the "connection stablished" notify, you always have the "contact is writing a message" message to know if the other contact really had opened the window and is going to talk with you... Although this don´t work if the other opened the window but wasn´t going to talk with you (yeah there are crazy people out there XD), so I wouldn´t make the script to wait for that...

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Originally posted by tbcat
talk about the script itself and how to make it the best we can for people who want it...

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Originally posted by tbcat
And about people who think it's useless, just try to think this topic as a lot of crazy people talking about useless things but happy about that )

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Ok, thanks for the info ^_^

(by the way, I moderate a forum as well (not an msn forum, but an anime forum XD) and I know how frustrating it is to answer/explain the same thing thousends of time, that's why a recommend to name the script the way a I did and not a "open windows convo", but I think, as you say, that a lot of people will misunderstand it all the same... Even though I still think that that's not a reason to just don´t do it)

About the x minutes for the "closed window" notify, I said, because the reasons you have already told, that even that way it wouldn`t be 100% accurate, but I think that at least it would stop the "closed windows" notify to appear once and again after many minutes from de last message... It is a improvement, no a solution ^_^ (great idea to make the user choose the time, I hadn´t thought about it!)

About the patches that delete the "user is writing a message" message, I hadn´t thought about that neither... But as I said, it was a way to make it more accurate, not a solution

I downloaded this.. and it keeps telling me people are opening convos with me but they are offline

At the risk of sounding stupid, what is actually the point of knowing when a contact opens a window anyway? If they are going to talk, you'll see the message. Surely you can wait the few seconds between opening a window and typing a message?

I may have missed something, but I really don't see the point.

Personally, I'm more curious about when someone closes the window. As I remember, that also happened to be (a bit) more reliable.

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Originally posted by rob_botch
At the risk of sounding stupid, what is actually the point of knowing when a contact opens a window anyway? If they are going to talk, you'll see the message. Surely you can wait the few seconds between opening a window and typing a message?

I may have missed something, but I really don't see the point.

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Originally posted by Mushroom_Man
Personally, I'm more curious about when someone closes the window. As I remember, that also happened to be (a bit) more reliable.

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I found it useful to know when someone closed the windows (with a bit of practice it was easy to know when was real and when was a false alarm with as much as 90% of accurancy (in my case))

To know when a user opened a windows was useful to know just for fun, to take my contacts by surprise XD (although it was a bit less accurate because of obvious reasons )