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RE: Should conversations be released without consent? by RaceProUK on 07-16-2006 at 09:15 PM
Poll here
I voted no, but then you've got to ask yourself the following question:
Should you be telling someone personal informtation online in the first place?
While I agree personal info shouldn't be divulged, people bring it on themselves by telling people who then release it because they're heartless bastards.
RE: RE: Should conversations be released without consent? by vaccination on 07-16-2006 at 09:24 PM
I would say if it's not a joke and it's something personal and serious the definitely not. (which is why i voted no.)
RE: RE: Should conversations be released without consent? by user27089 on 07-16-2006 at 09:28 PM
The personal information shouldn't be given out online in the first place.
I voted no, anyway.
RE: RE: Should conversations be released without consent? by CookieRevised on 07-16-2006 at 10:32 PM
quote:that doesn't matter at all... Information given online, by the phone, sms, whatever.... It is like "ooh it's said online so I can spread it further"... TBH that's BS and not an excuse at all to spread info...Unfortunatly many people take this as the excuse to spread stuff...
Originally posted by RaceProUK
I voted no, but then you've got to ask yourself the following question:
Should you be telling someone personal informtation online in the first place?
People should be wise enough to keep the info they get from someone and not spread it, being said online or not...
RE: RE: Should conversations be released without consent? by qgroessl on 07-16-2006 at 10:44 PM
Especially if it's said online... you can never really be sure who you were talking to unless you talk to the person IN PERSON about what you were talking about really.
RE: RE: Should conversations be released without consent? by GiantSpider on 07-16-2006 at 11:51 PM
quote:Why not, I mean yeah I wouldn't give it just to any random shit. But I mean some people I do trust. To be honest I don't think anything should be posted with prior consent. Unless it's incriminating or whatever then it should.
Originally posted by traxor
The personal information shouldn't be given out online in the first place.
RE: RE: Should conversations be released without consent? by Chestah on 07-17-2006 at 01:11 AM
quote:
Originally posted by GiantSpider
But I mean some people I do trust.
Well if you were sending personal information (information that you don't want to be posted) to someone you trust then simply tell them to ask you before forwarding on any of information.
Although, people that you don't know or don't trust, then you can't expect them to keep the information private.
RE: RE: Should conversations be released without consent? by user27089 on 07-17-2006 at 01:36 AM
GiantSpider, some people who you think you can trust may not be trustworthy at all. People over the internet are never what they are in real life, it's very easy to put on a front. They don't need any skills in acting to do it, all they need is a good imagination and the will to lie to people.
RE: RE: Should conversations be released without consent? by Nagamasa on 07-17-2006 at 05:25 AM
A way to verifiy that someone is not someone else online is to provide some 'special question', like my Chinese name with my Chinese friends (not to be racist or anything), as they are the only ones that know. (NOTE: I'm in Canada, so it wouldn't work in Hong Kong for example.)
RE: RE: Should conversations be released without consent? by Adeptus on 07-17-2006 at 05:49 AM
"Should conversations be released without consent" to me means asking whether I would encourage you to do that. The answer to that question is "no", because some people might not appreciate it.
On the other hand, if you were to ask "Can conversations be released without consent", I'd have to say "yes", meaning that if you are not bothered by the fact the other person might not appreciate it, they will have no sustainable legal or moral objection against you.
This is a fine distinction, but one that puts the responsibility back where it should be: think before you talk and be sure you don't divulge sensitive information to people you don't fully trust.
RE: RE: Should conversations be released without consent? by CookieRevised on 07-17-2006 at 06:00 AM
quote:The means of communication isn't what counts, the fact that you communicate something to a person in private (yes online messages ARE private) is what counts, hence you DO have a moral obligation to NOT make convos public.
Originally posted by Adeptus
On the other hand, if you were to ask "Can conversations be released without consent", I'd have to say "yes", meaning that if you are not bothered by the fact the other person might not appreciate it, they will have no sustainable legal or moral objection against you.
In fact, there are even legal obligations here too, a conversation IS private and you could perfectly take this to court if someone takes a private message and puts it in public (precedents do exist).
The fact that some people are naief and trust personal information to strangers has got nothing todo with this. This is just the same in real life with the only difference that on the net, the line between knowing a person and being naief is much thinner. But again, that doesn't make any difference about the essence of the issue; which is taking something said in private to the public.
RE: RE: Should conversations be released without consent? by Adeptus on 07-17-2006 at 06:19 AM
quote:Actually, it is. If it was a telephone conversation, then releasing the equivalent of a log, a recording, would come under wiretapping laws.
Originally posted by CookieRevised
The means of communication isn't what counts...
quote:Moral obligations are subjective. You think so. Thank you for your opinion, it's been noted.
Originally posted by CookieRevised
you DO have a moral obligation to NOT make convos public
quote:I am sure you are able to readily provide the list of said precedents. I would love to see it and will be looking for it here.
Originally posted by CookieRevised
you could perfectly take this to court if someone takes a private message and puts it in public (precedents do exist)
RE: RE: Should conversations be released without consent? by RaceProUK on 07-17-2006 at 09:00 AM
quote:I'm not sure what you're getting at: my point was to basically tell people to be vigilant.
Originally posted by CookieRevised
quote:that doesn't matter at all... Information given online, by the phone, sms, whatever.... It is like "ooh it's said online so I can spread it further"... TBH that's BS and not an excuse at all to spread info...Unfortunatly many people take this as the excuse to spread stuff...
Originally posted by RaceProUK
I voted no, but then you've got to ask yourself the following question:
Should you be telling someone personal informtation online in the first place?
People should be wise enough to keep the info they get from someone and not spread it, being said online or not...
RE: RE: Should conversations be released without consent? by CookieRevised on 07-17-2006 at 11:21 AM
quote:yes, the same as what I mean, but the extra point I made was that that ("should you be telling someone personal info online in the first place?") shouldn't be used as an excuse to make something public. IMHO, you shouldn't even ask yourself that question. Even if the info was given by a totally naief person who doesn't know any better, you still shouldn't publize it or use the "it's put online anyways" excuse...
Originally posted by RaceProUK
quote:I'm not sure what you're getting at: my point was to basically tell people to be vigilant.
Originally posted by CookieRevised
quote:that doesn't matter at all... Information given online, by the phone, sms, whatever.... It is like "ooh it's said online so I can spread it further"... TBH that's BS and not an excuse at all to spread info...Unfortunatly many people take this as the excuse to spread stuff...
Originally posted by RaceProUK
I voted no, but then you've got to ask yourself the following question:
Should you be telling someone personal informtation online in the first place?
People should be wise enough to keep the info they get from someone and not spread it, being said online or not...
private is private, being it thru sms, im, phone, tam-tam (edit: is that possible
), whatever, ...
RE: RE: Should conversations be released without consent? by Sunshine on 07-17-2006 at 11:32 AM
I would get very very angry if i would see some private convo i had on Messenger made public on forums (or anywhere else for that matter). If i would want the whole population to know i'd make it public myself.
Private* is private and should stay private...hence my NO on the poll.
* not making difference between Messenger conversation, phonecall or e-mail
RE: RE: Should conversations be released without consent? by saralk on 07-17-2006 at 11:53 AM
I think that its to do with the nature of the conversation. If what is being said is private, or of a sensitive nature, then no.
However, it is perfectly legal for me to say "Person X said that Person Y smells"
However, as soon as I put it in a log style format, such as
Person X: Person Y smells
it becomes dodgy.
RE: RE: Should conversations be released without consent? by Felu on 07-17-2006 at 11:55 AM
The rules say you cant give private information without permission. 
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quote:
Originally posted by Messenger Plus! Forums - Rules
* Respect: Members should respect others, and avoid making derogatory comments or giving rude treatment ("flaming"). Also respect the privacy of others, and don't share their personal information without permission.
RE: RE: Should conversations be released without consent? by surfichris on 07-17-2006 at 11:59 AM
quote:Those are these forums - not the laws of anywhere else. They're also not that strict in that regard - though if personal information is revealed then it will be dealt with.
The rules say you cant give private information without permission.
quote:If you ask me - they're both as "dodgy" as each other. It is just a different form of writing it.
Originally posted by saralk
However, it is perfectly legal for me to say "Person X said that Person Y smells"
However, as soon as I put it in a log style format, such as
Person X: Person Y smells
it becomes dodgy.
If you revealed part of a verbal conversation to another person then it isn't considered illegal and the same applies for written conversations (chat logs). It isn't a legal issue but an issue based on morals and principals.
Of course, it becomes different when it is used against someone to bring a bad name to their image or it is breaking a contract or NDA. That is the only time it becomes a "legal issue" worthy of being taken to court over.
In all (well most) other circumstances you'll simply be dismissed from the courts.
[edit] This is a bit of a half-assed reply which I'll expand upon later.