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OMG Screw getting a Mac... by DJeX on 08-10-2006 at 06:39 AM

Screw getting a mac I got OS X x86 running natively on my PC WOO!

RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by prashker on 08-10-2006 at 06:41 AM

[Image: go_you.gif]

RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by aNILEator on 08-10-2006 at 08:47 AM

i have an AMD x64 x2 4200+, plenty of hard drive space, and not a clue of what to do in regards to installing mac OSX onto my system :(

anyone got a link, most tutorials i've seen are only for intel processors :(

oh also i need to know which 'build' i need to "buy" ;-)

RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by RaceProUK on 08-10-2006 at 08:57 AM

Does OS X support standard BIOS, or did you need some sort of extra software?

quote:
Originally posted by aNILEator
most tutorials i've seen are only for intel processors
And that'll stop you installing on the x86-compatible AMD? :P
The only real requirement is that the processor uses the x86 instruction set. I know the Athlon 64 uses AMD64, but it also has native x86 support.

So installing OS X on an AMD machine should be identical to installing on an Intel, or any other x86-compatible processor for that matter.

Edit: In fact, the Athlon 64 supports SSE3, so you'll not only be able to install OS X, but also run all those PPC apps!
RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by ~INVASION~ on 08-10-2006 at 09:54 AM

sweet man (Y)   one day ill probably try giving that a go :D

RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by DJeX on 08-10-2006 at 05:05 PM

Ok here it is if you want to try.

What I'm useing:
ASUS K8V SE Delux Mother Board
AMD Athlon 64 3400+ Processor

Heres the website I used: http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

Everything you need to know is on that site from hardware compatibility lists to install instructions.

Also remember your processor must be SSE2 or SSE3 compatible or else it will not work.

quote:
Originally posted by RaceProUK
In fact, the Athlon 64 supports SSE3, so you'll not only be able to install OS X, but also run all those PPC apps!

I got the AMD Athlon 64 3400+ and it only supports SSE2. They have a patch on the site above to get SSE3 apps working on SSE2.
RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by aNILEator on 08-10-2006 at 05:07 PM

Nile will shortly be "buying" an OSX build :P

RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by RaceProUK on 08-10-2006 at 10:10 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DJeX

quote:
Originally posted by RaceProUK
In fact, the Athlon 64 supports SSE3, so you'll not only be able to install OS X, but also run all those PPC apps!
I got the AMD Athlon 64 3400+ and it only supports SSE2. They have a patch on the site above to get SSE3 apps working on SSE2.
In that case the AMD site lies. Meh.
RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by cloudhunter on 08-10-2006 at 10:15 PM

PPC apps work on SSE2, albeit slowly.

I wish I could install OSX86, however all the computers that are capable of running it belong to my dad :(

RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by Chestah on 08-11-2006 at 05:50 AM

Just out of curosity - why would you want to install Mac OSX on a non-apple computer?

RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by DJeX on 08-11-2006 at 06:52 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Chestah
Just out of curosity - why would you want to install Mac OSX on a non-apple computer?

So I can use OS X. :P For me windows is getting lame and Linux is a pain to install anything so I've always liked OS X so I installed it. I'm going to install Bootcamp to run XP on it so I can have my windows programs. Any ways Mac just works, there’s hardly any errors and its fast (well on my comp it is). But this is just to hold me off until I get enough money to buy a Mac. Mac Pro :drool:
RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by ShawnZ on 08-11-2006 at 07:01 AM

you don't install bootcamp on PCs running osx86 8-)

RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by DJeX on 08-11-2006 at 07:06 AM

quote:
Originally posted by ShawnZ
you don't install bootcamp on PCs running osx86 8-)

Well you do when you want to try it and I'm going to try it.
RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by ShawnZ on 08-11-2006 at 07:10 AM

quote:
Originally posted by DJeX
Well you do when you want to try it and I'm going to try it.


bootcamp is a bootloader for the mac that lets you start other operating systems -- you're on a pc, you already have a bootloader that can start multiple operating systems.
RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by DJeX on 08-11-2006 at 07:19 AM

quote:
Originally posted by ShawnZ
quote:
Originally posted by DJeX
Well you do when you want to try it and I'm going to try it.


bootcamp is a bootloader for the mac that lets you start other operating systems -- you're on a pc, you already have a bootloader that can start multiple operating systems.

Yea your right. I didn't know it was a bootloader I thought it was part of the os.

* DJeX walks away ... with head down.
RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by aNILEator on 08-11-2006 at 08:14 AM

macs are overrated but i'm still installing it because i can and it would be REALLY handy for college

RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by Chestah on 08-11-2006 at 08:16 AM

quote:
Originally posted by aNILEator
macs are overrated but i'm still installing it because i can and it would be REALLY handy for college

Agreed for overration. Just have a look at steve's keynote on the new version of MacOSx.
RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by DJeX on 08-11-2006 at 07:06 PM

quote:
Originally posted by aNILEator
macs are overrated

True, but it is good software and they are doing things that would be impossible for Windows to do. Except for Vista, they have some things like OS X.
RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by Rik on 08-11-2006 at 07:36 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DJeX
I'm going to install Bootcamp to run XP on it so I can have my windows programs. Any ways Mac just works, there’s hardly any errors and its fast (well on my comp it is). But this is just to hold me off until I get enough money to buy a Mac. Mac Pro
or you can allways "buy" Virtual Machine software to run windows
RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by DJeX on 08-11-2006 at 07:47 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Rik
or you can allways "buy" Virtual Machine software to run windows

Yea I seen that but your apps will run slower. I found a program that will also work and it's free called Darwine.
RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by aNILEator on 08-12-2006 at 06:05 PM

Finally!, I just got it working, ended up that SSE3 isn't properly supported on dual cores (or at least doesn't work on OSX86)

I used the JaS 10.4.6 release (10.4.7 isn't supported on AMD's)


I may write a tutorial of how i did it *-)

RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by DJeX on 08-12-2006 at 07:33 PM

quote:
Originally posted by aNILEator
Finally!, I just got it working, ended up that SSE3 isn't properly supported on dual cores (or at least doesn't work on OSX86)

I used the JaS 10.4.6 release (10.4.7 isn't supported on AMD's)


I may write a tutorial of how i did it *-)

Congrats! So did I! :D Just got it installed today. I'm posting this on it. I used the exact same files as you but I also applied a 200mb patch from JaS for better support. Mac owns.
RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by aNILEator on 08-12-2006 at 07:34 PM

better support for what?

RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by Thor on 08-12-2006 at 07:55 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DJeX
quote:
Originally posted by aNILEator
Finally!, I just got it working, ended up that SSE3 isn't properly supported on dual cores (or at least doesn't work on OSX86)

I used the JaS 10.4.6 release (10.4.7 isn't supported on AMD's)


I may write a tutorial of how i did it *-)

Congrats! So did I! :D Just got it installed today. I'm posting this on it. I used the exact same files as you but I also applied a 200mb patch from JaS for better support. Mac owns.
I want Mac, but I'll have wait, can't use it on this. :(
RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by Kenji on 08-12-2006 at 09:35 PM

[noobish]

Yeah i wanna screenie too

[/noobish]

can you tell me how, i wanna have mac on my pc.

RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by aNILEator on 08-13-2006 at 12:48 AM

Check your hardware against the osx86 wiki http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/HCL_10.4.6

THIS WILL NOT WORK ON ALL PC'S, Your Processor must support SSE2, AMD dual cores say that they support SSE3 but they currently do not work with OSX86 (i just found this out for my AMD X64 X2 4200+) and so do not apply the SSE3 patch only SSE2.

You can find out what your processor supports by using a program called cpu-z it can be downloaded here http://www.cpuid.com/download/cpu-z-135.zip

10.4.7 cannot be installed on an AMD system (this may change in the future but not able at present)

You will need a pre-patched iso of the Mac OSX install dvd, i used the JaS release, others include HOTiSO and Goatsec afaik...

I installed to a spare hard drive this is how i successfully did it. (I'm writing this from memory so may have some errors but i'll try my best i did install it 4 times so should remember mostly :P)

Requirements:

  • USB mouse and Keyboard - i borrowed a usb mouse i plan on buying one tomorrow
  • Hard Drive : Windows XP installed
  • Hard Drive : To install Mac OS X too (Will erase all data prior to install so if needed BACKUP)
  • Partition Magic
  • Pre Patched Mac OS X Install DVD (I used JaS)

Using Partition Magic in Windows XP, locate the Hard Drive that you wish to install Mac OS X too, delete all partitions on that drive so that it shows the whole drive as being "unallocated space" click apply, it may say something about not active just ignore this, it will most likely ask you to reboot, agree to reboot.

Reboot your system as you normally would to XP, partition magic will show a few screens prior to XP booting (they look like chkdsk/scan disk screens) your system may reboot after the first partition magic jobs complete, continue to let it reboot and go into XP again. After XP loading bootscreen Partition magic did some more stuff and then booted into the XP Welcome/logon screen.

Now you should have an unallocated Hard Disk Drive, Turn off your PC (as a failsafe i now removed the plugs leading into my windows hard drive) Reboot your computer with the Patched Mac OS X DVD in your DVD drive, make sure that you boot to the DVD, you may need to do this in your BIOS settings (which is normally accessed by pressing delete when powering on your computer) and changing the Boot order/priority.

If done correctly you will launch to a screen asking you to press any key to launch mac osx install dvd, press a key.

The Mac OS X DVD takes AAAAGGGGGGEEEEEEESSSSSSS to load up, it will show a grey screen with the apple logo in the middle and a small grey loading circle thing underneath. this will take about 10 minutes maybe more to launch to a blue screen (nothing like a BSOD) asking you which language option you want the installer in

Use your keyboard to select a language and press enter, it will now load the installer itself

The installer will have the taskbar along the top and the installer window in the middle.

Using the mouse, in the taskbar, click on Utilities -> Disc Utility, it will load a window listing the Hard Drives and their partitions on the left hand side, click on the hard drive you wish to install Mac OS X onto and then in the main panel click on the 'erase' tab/button near the top of the box, this will change the content of the panel displaying formatting options.

Choose Mac OS Journalled, and in the name box type in 'Apple MacOS X' and click erase, this will format the hard drive (there will be a small progress bar in the bottom right of the panel) once done close the disk utilities window (top left red button for those of you who've never used a mac before)

Now the installer, BE CAREFUL HERE DO NOT GO CLICK HAPPY, click continue and select your hard drive (it should be the only option) i think a box popped down and asks you to agree to install there, click agree, MAKE SURE TO CLICK CUSTOMIZE WHEN THE OPTION APPEARS IN THE BOTTOM LEFT OF THE INSTALLER, so keep your eye out for it

Click customize, it will list the install variables, you can probably disable printer drivers (i just enabled epson because i have an epson printer) and language options (i only speak english and so didn't need to install french/german/japanese etc translations) YOU WILL NEED TO INSTALL THE PATCH FOR YOUR PROCESSOR, so expand the patches section and select the right things to install for your system for me it was AMD Base and AMD SSE2 patch, and some of the other things but nothing Intel, your configs may differ and probably will.

(This is what got me stumped a few times because my processor was not listed on the online supported hardware list, but the AMD64 single core supported the SSE3 patch and worked great, but the 4400 dual core didn't work with the SSE3 patch so i had to gamble, check the hardware list on the wiki first)

once your happy that you've got the right config chose to install, the setup will verify the dvd (takes ages again ~20 minutes) it then installs the files (again taking ages at about ~35-45 minutes obviously depending on your install variables) Finally it will be done and try to reboot (for me it didn't and i had to reboot manually)

(I plugged back my XP Hard disk now) Reboot to windows and copy this file - http://www.nedprod.com/Niall_stuff/MacOS%20X/chain0 - into C:/ , Making sure hidden files are shown, open C:\boot.ini in Notepad. Add the following option to the bottom:

C:\chain0="MacOS X"

Reboot. (i also unplugged HDD again)

Reboot to the dvd again (yeah i know *yawn* make yourself a drink) You need to make the Partition 'ACTIVE' So, this time go to Utilities -> Terminal (this will open a box similar to DOS command prompt)

1. Determine which disk your MacOSX partition is on

    Type diskutil list (then press enter)

    Verify which disk holds your partition (disk0, disk1, etc.)

-Mine was on disk0, yours may say rdisk0 or something else

2. Start using Fdisk

    Assuming the MacOSX disk is the first disk ("disk0"), then
    type fdisk -e /dev/disk0 <== use your disk number here !! (then press enter)

THOSE ARE SPACES IN BETWEEN DO NOT MISS THEM OUT

5. Determine which partition for MacOSX needs to be set "Active"

    Type p (then press enter)

    Verify which partition is for MacOSX (1, 2, 3, etc.)

6. Set the partition "Active"

    Assuming it is partition 1, then
    type f 1 <== use your partition number here !! (then press enter)

REMEMBER TO PUT THE SPACE BETWEEN F AND YOUR PARTITION NUMBER

7. Save and exit

    Type write (then press enter)

-it will ask you if your sure

    Type y (yes you are sure) (then press enter)

    Type exit (to quit)

8. Reboot removing the DVD :zippy:

(I replugged the Windows XP HDD in again)

MY PC then attempted to boot into windows and gave me an OS selection, you may have to press F8 during startup to access this option.

Select MacOS X

It will ask you something like press enter to boot into Mac OS X, do so. A load of text will go whizzing past matrix styleeee, just leave it to do all this, it should then boot into Mac OS X setup, allowing you to setup keyboard layout etc.

If it has worked Congratulations, if not then i can't help you sorry :zippy:

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RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by DJeX on 08-13-2006 at 06:59 PM

You don't need to do all that ^ All's I did was:

1. Burnt JaS DVD Version
2. Unplugged all hard drives except the one I wanted OS X on
3. Booted from JaS OS X DVD.
4. Made my partitions in Disk Manager in the install.
5. Installed OS X.

That there worked fine for me. And also you can use PS/2 mouse and keyboard you don't need just USB. I'm useing PS/2 Keyboard and USB mouse.

*Oh and also make sure the drive you install on is set to Master on the jumper pin.

RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by Kenji on 08-13-2006 at 07:00 PM

wheres the screen shot i wanted :sad:

RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by DJeX on 08-13-2006 at 07:23 PM

[Image: macosssxj9.th.png]

There ya go.

RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by aNILEator on 08-13-2006 at 07:55 PM

mine is set to slave, still works :P but yeah mine is a more complete tutorial (possibly best on t3h interw3bs at the moment :O:O:O:O:O) as most don't go into full depth step by step :P

RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by DJeX on 08-13-2006 at 08:50 PM

quote:
Originally posted by aNILEator
mine is set to slave, still works :P but yeah mine is a more complete tutorial (possibly best on t3h interw3bs at the moment :O:O:O:O:O) as most don't go into full depth step by step :P

True most don't, but I did less steps than you posted. Mine was really quite simple without all the partition setting and stuff.

Oh btw the AMD 10.4.7 update is out. I'm downloading it now to test it. I'll post on how I make out.

Did the update, screwed it up, now I got to reinstall. So don't do the update.
RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by aNILEator on 08-14-2006 at 01:33 AM

does mac bugger up for you a bit?

RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by DJeX on 08-14-2006 at 02:53 AM

quote:
Originally posted by aNILEator
does mac bugger up for you a bit?

Unfortunately it does :( Like it will randomly lock up or Safari will crash.  So I've decided to go back to my first plan to save up money for a Mac. :P
RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by aNILEator on 08-14-2006 at 04:15 AM

I don't think i can install anything properly :P it just fails to load properly hehe but overall they are better than the college macs :P

I think it might just be because mine does not support sse3 properly does yours, oh add me to messenger or pm me your addy djex, so i can check to see if your already there :)

RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by surfichris on 08-14-2006 at 04:29 AM

quote:
In that case the AMD site lies. Meh.
Actually, it doesn't. Older 3400+s don't support SSE3 but the newer ones do. Use something like cpu-z to find out if yours does or not (Venice cores do support SSE3)

quote:
Agreed for overration. Just have a look at steve's keynote on the new version of MacOSx.
No, it was a developers conference. You expect them to announce all of the kiddy OS X features at a conference targetted at developers?

If you're talking about MS copying, Apple make similar statements every year at the WWDC.

quote:
Yea I seen that but your apps will run slower. I found a program that will also work and it's free called Darwine.
Actually, it'll only work if you have a dual core CPU and it runs at pretty damn close to native speeds (no video acceleration) because it makes use of a technology called virtualization.

Darwine sucks and is a mess.

quote:
Finally!, I just got it working, ended up that SSE3 isn't properly supported on dual cores (or at least doesn't work on OSX86)
SSE3 extensions are on every dual core processor (both Apple & AMD). They're also supported in Mac OS X for Intel processors. Yours didn't work because AMD processors are not supported - it is that simple.

quote:
Unfortunately it does (Smilie) Like it will randomly lock up or Safari will crash.  So I've decided to go back to my first plan to save up money for a Mac.
I hope you enjoy illegally running your illegal copy of Mac OS X. Even if you purchased Mac OS X, it does not entitle you to run it on any machine BUT an Apple system. You can expect continued dodgy support for applications.

This thread is VERY border line illegal and in most cases crosses the line. If you want to discuss this then you can do it over at the OSX86Project site.

My thoughts: Buy a Mac and don't try and put together your own dodgy implementations.
RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by DJeX on 08-14-2006 at 04:41 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Chris Boulton
I hope you enjoy illegally running your illegal copy of Mac OS X. Even if you purchased Mac OS X, it does not entitle you to run it on any machine BUT an Apple system. You can expect continued dodgy support for applications.

This thread is VERY border line illegal and in most cases crosses the line. If you want to discuss this then you can do it over at the OSX86Project site.

My thoughts: Buy a Mac and don't try and put together your own dodgy implementations.

He he well I started the thread and did not intend for it to go this far.
RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by aNILEator on 08-14-2006 at 12:02 PM

lol as i say they still work better than the college macs they are always locking up and encountering unexpected errors just as your about to click save :@

what sort of mac were you thinking of getting, i think that i'd only ever get a laptop or mac mini, and if i did get a mac mini i'd HAVE TO GET THIS http://www.compwave.com/index.htm

RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by DJeX on 08-14-2006 at 06:04 PM

I was thinking about getting the 20" iMac. I would love to get a Mac Pro but there too expensive.

RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by Dempsey on 08-14-2006 at 07:56 PM

I was using a new MacBook at work the other day, its really nice, got a webcam, bluetooth all built in and a media remote control.  T'is very nice, I'm gonna have to try and steal it :p

RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by lemonade on 08-14-2006 at 08:51 PM

ive tried a MACbook i was in toys'r'us i was supposed to be gettin guitar picks but the MACbook is cool so addictive just like......something but they are amazing i was on the internet lol its fast i had 12 programs and i was still very fast..why cant windows be like that

RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by aNILEator on 08-14-2006 at 09:06 PM

quote:
Originally posted by lemonade
ive tried a MACbook i was in toys'r'us i was supposed to be gettin guitar picks but the MACbook is cool so addictive just like......something but they are amazing i was on the internet lol its fast i had 12 programs and i was still very fast..why cant windows be like that


I do wonder where these people come from they make very little sense ever :P well i'm glad everyones liking their macs....
RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by vaccination on 08-14-2006 at 09:10 PM

quote:
Originally posted by aNILEator
quote:
Originally posted by lemonade
ive tried a MACbook i was in toys'r'us i was supposed to be gettin guitar picks but the MACbook is cool so addictive just like......something but they are amazing i was on the internet lol its fast i had 12 programs and i was still very fast..why cant windows be like that


I do wonder where these people come from they make very little sense ever :P well i'm glad everyones liking their macs....
lol

Well i have only ever been on a mac in a shop, and i prefer the laptops, they look nice and i think a mac is more of a laptop os really, i don't know why but meh. :P

I would like a mac laptop, but not a desktop.

So i would like a apple mac
RE: OMG Screw getting a Mac... by Lou on 08-15-2006 at 04:02 AM

I would personally never try to stick a mac inside this computer (even though SSE3 is supported by my cpu. It's just not right imo. I'll probably not buy a mac in the next 10 years, but I'd like to try one:)