Well, the title says it all...our Patchou has been awarded MVP - Windows Live Developer

Congratulations and Celebrations, well deserved i'd say!

Proof: Microsoft MVP Awardees - Windows Live Developer



Recognized for your good work by Microsoft themselves...what more can a developer wish for huh

MVP explained

Pook pook!

Congrats Patchou!

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Pook pook!

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Congrats Patchou!!1one11one1
<---Insert Go You Patchou Image Here--->

omg GO PATCHY <3

Thats totally awesome. Wishing you the best in future

Go Patchu

it says no logo, you should put the plus one

woho wonderful,
go patchou,noone stops u

Nice Now everyone knows your real name though.lol

That's really good. It's about time too. Congratulations

@.Lou
Patchous name has been posted on the forum before

https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile=0960679...-871D-2AD6E8CA0B5C

Congrats Patchou ....again

POOK POOK POOK POOK!

celebrations to you


/sound #BD2296CE2DDC

Congrats Patchou that's a great reward for you hey

Congrats Patchou!

It seems that people are already bitching on the public MSN Messenger newsgroups. See here

is it just me, or do most of those MVP's have horrable mug shots:

https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/library/images/...insider_200609.jpg
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/library/images/...insider_200510.jpg
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/library/images/...nsider_2005_02.jpg

Go go Patchou! :nana:
Awesome achievement!

Go Patchou, well done with getting an MVP you have worked hard.(We expect a speech from you) Only joking

Great!

You deserve it

Congrats on making slashdot, more like.

http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/06/222209

Congrats Patchou!

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Originally posted by Sunshine
Well, the title says it all...our Patchou has been awarded MVP - Windows Live Developer

Congratulations and Celebrations, well deserved i'd say!

Proof: Microsoft MVP Awardees - Windows Live Developer



Recognized for your good work by Microsoft themselves...what more can a developer wish for huh

MVP explained

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I here he has been removed??

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we took action today to revoke the MVP Award from Mr.
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is it just me, or do most of those MVP's have horrable mug shots:

https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/library/images/...insider_200609.jpg
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/library/images/...insider_200510.jpg
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/library/images/...nsider_2005_02.jpg

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we took action today to revoke the MVP Award from Mr.
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Guess he has not heard yet.

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is it just me, or do most of those MVP's have horrable mug shots:

https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/library/images/...insider_200609.jpg
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/library/images/...insider_200510.jpg
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/library/images/...nsider_2005_02.jpg

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http://www.microsoft.com/library/media/1033/windo...perts/img_jkay.jpg
That's the worst of them all!

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At approximately 4:15 PM Redmond Time, MS notified Cyril Patchou

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Originally posted by NiteMare
is it just me, or do most of those MVP's have horrable mug shots:

https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/library/images/...insider_200609.jpg
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/library/images/...insider_200510.jpg
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/library/images/...nsider_2005_02.jpg

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http://www.microsoft.com/library/media/1033/windo...perts/img_jkay.jpg
That's the worst of them all!

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I still refuse to believe that is Jonathan Kay.

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I'm really glad that Patchou has became a MVP, he's deserved it for years, it's just annoying those people out there are just jealous of what he's now got .

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At approximately 4:15 PM Redmond Time, MS notified Cyril Patchou

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Stop making up quotes. Who's Cyril Patchou?

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Creator of Messenger Plus!,

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Originally posted by little eagle
Creator of Messenger Plus!,

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Creator of Messenger Plus!,

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lol, he knows that but theres no such person as Cyril Patchou, his names "Cyril Paciullo".

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sorry for the confusion

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At approximately 4:15 PM Redmond Time, MS notified Cyril Patchou

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Has Patchou gone missing from the MVP page? Cookie and Trekkie are still there.

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Has Patchou gone missing from the MVP page? Cookie and Trekkie are still there.

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jus have now i did read da first post though! lol

I see the other topic has been closed - well here is another MVP who objected.

In fact - I have yet to find one MVP I know who did not.

I am sure one of two will suface, but with almost EVERY Windows Security MVP sending emails as soon as they heard - both to each other - and to thier MVP leads - I know that the vast majority are ohh so glad that MS has changed its mind.

As has been said before.

If you support this - then install LOP yourself. (Please do not come to our forums to ask us to remove it for you.- we already have so many others to do.)

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If you support this - then install LOP yourself. (Please do not come to our forums to ask us to remove it for you.- we already have so many others to do.)

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If you support this - then install LOP yourself. (Please do not come to our forums to ask us to remove it for you.- we already have so many others to do.)

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If you support this - then install LOP yourself. (Please do not come to our forums to ask us to remove it for you.- we already have so many others to do.)

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We don't need to. A quick trip to add/remove programs will do it fine

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If people need to go to you to uninstall LOP, they really must be dumbasses... I think we're just fine without your help tbh. If I EVER see anybody complain, I won't send them your way.

It's so funny to watch you all struggle to make a decent argument that I don't really think that we need say much else

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The don't come on any ASAP or other forums seeking help.

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SpunkyLoveMuff watches his language carefully for fear of upsetting Menthix

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SpunkyLoveMuff watches his language carefully for fear of upsetting Menthix

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dumbasses

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If people need to go to you to uninstall LOP, they really must be dumbasses... I think we're just fine without your help tbh. If I EVER see anybody complain, I won't send them your way.

It's so funny to watch you all struggle to make a decent argument that I don't really think that we need say much else

SpunkyLoveMuff watches his language carefully for fear of upsetting Menthix

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The don't come on any ASAP or other forums seeking help.

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Honestly, .

It's over and done with. Move on. This poor horse would make great steaks thanks to everyone.

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Then you simply dont understand what LOP really means

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Not too careful though eh?

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Then you simply dont understand what LOP really means

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If you care to back up your argument by installing the sponsor, you'll see this

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Ass isn't swearing in England btw.

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Its Arse, be English damn you

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Excuses to the newly registered people and MVPs who want to discuss this, but since that other thread was unfortunatly deleted (it was a good discussion and means to know the POV of those security MVPs), I'll post my post here:

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To have awarded Patchou MVP status while LOP is bundled with MSGplus ( optional or not) would have been a travesty

How can one section of Microsoft reward him while another section is villifying him for spreading malware

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I only registered here because there is a misconception that only 2 MVP's complained about the nomination, I am on a private security list that I can assure you almost everyone on that list sent thier thoughts about Patchou to their lead teams and discussed this in depth for the merits of the MVP program and the lack of merits of Patchou regarding his quality of program verus the installation of sponsor programs which we have been targeting for a long time now.

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MVP award is given if I am not wrong because of past achievements/contributions etc and such. I would say previously msgplus had bundled adwares and there were lots of users coming to help forums with lop/adwares/bundles in their computer and they had just installed messenger plus , and half of them went when they uninstalled it and rest had to be cleaned manually.

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Originally posted by Subratam
First of all , none was leader and none was follower here , It was not Sandi or Paperghost or any specific mvp who started this or any specific group who followed this. If writing on one's blog means starting a mission , then I think something is going wrong somewhere.

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I understand it was all done for career , life , living , but then what about other malware/adware distributors if they also declare its just for their living?

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Originally posted by Subratam
Yes it maybe optional , but a 8 year old doesnt understand what is optional and what is not, he would go and install complete one in his computer and then start facing all sort of troubles he didnt even dream of. One can say thats not fault of programmer if user dont understand or read , yes but the associations of such softwares with msgrplus does exist optional or not.

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Originally posted by Subratam
I repeat it was not only Sandi or Paperghost but almost all MVPs ( in almost every product area) who did not like Msgrplus being associated with adwares ( however may it be optional) so it is not right to "blame" anyone but then its just my two cents of opinion.

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Patchou seams like a competent programmer that could have used his talents for something other than making money at other people's expense.

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But bundling it with malware is a problem.  Whether or not adware exists for you, it exists for a lot of the MP targeted audience.  And the content delivered by its payload is unacceptable for the targeted audience.

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And a lot of MVPs (myself included) have seen the bundled Adware (payload of the sponsor program).  LOP is not something that you want on your computer, or anybody else's computer.

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I suspect that if Patchou removes the spyware bundle from MP, he will be considered again for the award, and hopefully be able to keep it.  Microsoft simply wants to indicate that bundling malware (with or without advice to not click on the sponsor program) is not acceptable.

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I wish some people would get their heads out of their asses and realize what the sponsor is and isn't.

It is OPTIONAL
It isn't a full Lop/c2 package.
It [b]is adware[/b]
It isn't malware/spyware
It is Patchou's main source of income.
It isn't going to kill you.

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I suppose if it were porn it would fall under the same above items?

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Please remove any quotes of my former post which is not here in it's entirety and therefore not in full context.

I will not be posting here again because of the censorship involved so if an admin will delete my account here I will be pleased with that since my post and the thread I posted in are now part of dev/null

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Please remove any quotes of my former post which is not here in it's entirety and therefore not in full context.

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I will not be posting here again because of the censorship involved so if an admin will delete my account here I will be pleased with that since my post and the thread I posted in are now part of dev/null

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You certainly know what you want to say and then get it across Cookie. Fantastic response We're the angry mob and you're the rational one that sorts out the rabble left in it's wake Best reply to anything I've seen in a LONG time.

Cookie > everyone else (excpet me...)

EDIT: We should probs get rid of all their accounts. they take up valuable space

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EDIT: We should probs get rid of all their accounts. they take up valuable space

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I will not be posting here again because of the censorship involved

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Full backup of the topic, its unclear to me too why the topic was removed.

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Yes it maybe optional , but a 8 year old doesnt understand what is optional and what is not, he would go and install complete one in his computer and then start facing all sort of troubles he didnt even dream of. One can say thats not fault of programmer if user dont understand or read , yes but the associations of such softwares with msgrplus does exist optional or not.

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No they don't take up valuable space. They have every right to say their opinion too about the matter, just as we have every right to defend and/or reply in their forums/blogs. Deleting that other thread was not good either for that same reason.

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MenthiX, you can check my language again if you like I think it's acceptable this time

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When you install Windows Live Messenger, what do you get, you get an entire area where it says "install the toolbar, install the icons, make msn your default homepage etc" this is all for money, it's doing the exact same thing as what the messenger plus! live bundled sponsor program is doing, so are you now going to go mental at Microsoft for their optional items that you can install? No I didn't think so.

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Why do people keep saying that patchou is a c2media officer, he really is not a c2media officer! Please to god listen to what we say and stop try to call us "patchou's posse".

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It's not quite the same, when you let Windows Live Messenger install its toolbar, icons and set your homepage it isn't downloading malware to your computer.  If Windows Live Messenger were installing malware we would all be against it as well.

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I think Microsoft's final decision to remove Patchou from the MVP program had to do more with the fact that he is a company officer for C2Media and not just because he bundles Lop with Messenger Plus.

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I was gonna post this in the other thread, but meh;

Hey, all you little freaks who are joining just to have a whinge?

Go. Cry. Somewhere. Else.

Patchou isn't greedy, or evil, or underhanded, or whatever. So shut the hell up. You're making me think you're all jealous, then you'll come back and whine again; "we're not jealous, Patchou is evil, blahblahblah", and that'll just reinforce the fact that you most probably are.

When I was younger, I installed Messenger Plus! with the sponsor program. It didn't do a single thing to my computer. It's adware, btw, NOT malware. Do you think Messenger Plus! would still be alive if all those people who supported it, and installed the sponsor to support Patchou were actually getting screwed up computers? It wouldn't be around if it was harmful. Use those things called brains, that I surely hope you have.*

*on the massive chance you don't have a brain, may I suggest you go out into the world and invest in one? Thanks.

Oh, and I love the "making users time on the net a misery is really beyond me" comment. Ah yes, all those people who have installed it by accident, or otherwise, are really getting depression, and sobbing over their keyboards, I suppose? Have you spoken to any one of them? Who are you to speak for the rest of the internet?

Ciao.

I apologise to the lovely regular members of this forum for my rudeness, and also somewhat to those others who registered just because of this incident, who put across their points politely, but to the rest of you, you need to stfu.

I said nothing about "patchou's posse"

As for him not being a company officer why do they list him as one?
http://www.sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?a1=DETFI...SECURESOFTWARE&r5=

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It isn't? Then why does almost every antimalware application detect it  as malware?

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It isn't? Then why does almost every antimalware application detect it  as malware?

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As for him not being a company officer why do they list him as one?
http://www.sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?a1=DETFI...SECURESOFTWARE&r5=

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I'm sorry, I may be missing something here... You're trying to use that site to "prove" that Patchou is a "c2media officer"... Nowhere on that page can I find anything stating that. Just his name/address listed with a few others.

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As for him not being a company officer why do they list him as one?
http://www.sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?a1=DETFI...SECURESOFTWARE&r5=

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Interesting, I quote from the site you linked to:

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Any other real proof?

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The records of "SECURE SOFTWARE, INC." that supposed to proof Patchou is a director of LOP and/or C2Media is actually a very old rumor.

Patchou commented on the about 2 years ago on his old site:


Jason and Alex are indeed people who work (are directors of?) LOP/C2Media, but Patchou being a director of a company that also have directors that work for LOP/C2Media does not mean Patchou is director of LOP/C2Media. Like Patchou explained ages ago in the screenshot above... The company was set up together with the people from LOP to manage business. With business you can think of things like about 6 webservers which are used and maintained for Plus!, managing the customized adware package which is made to be less intrusive, managing the ad network with ads that will show through the Plus! sponsor. If you want to legally do business with other companies, certainly in the US, you will need to be registered. Jason and Alex as his business partners helped him with it. This does prove there is a strong connection between the people from C2 and Patchou, but that was never a mystery or secret. But it does not say/proof Patchou is in charge/a director of LOP/C2Media, or that he earns anything more from LOP/C2Media than he does earn from the ads served by the sponsor package in Plus.

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As for the sponsor, which I'm sure was the main subject: the sponsor was and always will be optional and is never ever forced upon the user. The two choices in the setup are extremely clear. Way more clear than what software from MS itself presents to the user. (...) As for what the sponsor actually is: it is adware, yes.

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Nothing is ticked by default, which is something you can't say from certain MS products.

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There isn't much point in arguing, these misinformed people who have came here with biased views aren't going to admit that they're wrong, we're the experts on this matter and they can't handle that, their heads are so far up their own asses for that.

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Has it always been not ticked by default?

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There isn't much point in arguing, these misinformed people who have came here with biased views aren't going to admit that they're wrong, we're the experts on this matter and they can't handle that, their heads are so far up their own asses for that.

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Patchou is the creator of the best addon for messenger plus!, million the peoples have that program, so..i dont care if a lot of people (competition,etc) say bad things about the program or patchou, we know that is not true.

If i wanna a new pc, i need to be informed..and know what i'm buy, that is the same to the plus!.

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If no one ever installed the adware, then I would imagine C2Media would have called the deal off.

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"Warning!  Choosing this option will result in reduced system performance and obnoxious ads!"

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I suspect most of the people out there who installed the "sponsor" did so unwittingly in that they either were negligent and not paying attention, or did not understand what would come with it.

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Exactly our point Adeptus, it is through their own negligence that people install it. Just like people who say "I accidentally downloaded WGA from Automatic Update and now it knows my version of Windows isn't genuine". There is always an option to not install/download something, it's just whether people are smart enough to find it/look for it.

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I will stick up for Plus! and Patchou until the end.

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So, you admit that the adware is undesireable by virtually everyone and being snuck onto their systems when they fail to pay adequate attention to prevent it.

I believe you just proved the point opposite from that which you were trying to. 

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As for C2Media  and their full "product", however -- I would not urinate on them if I saw them on fire.

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Exactly our point Adeptus, it is through their own negligence that people install it. Just like people who say "I accidentally downloaded WGA from Automatic Update and now it knows my version of Windows isn't genuine". There is always an option to not install/download something, it's just whether people are smart enough to find it/look for it.

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So, you admit that the adware is undesireable by virtually everyone and being snuck onto their systems when they fail to pay adequate attention to prevent it.

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As for C2Media  and their full "product"

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Don't twist stuff around (apparently this is something many people are good at) and investigate before drawing a conclusion (apparently this is something not many people are good at).

What SpunkyLoveMuff said is that if the sponsor is installed by accident it is because of their own negligence (and not what you twist it around in). Why? Because absolutely nothing is ticked by default and the user must explicitly, before the sponsor is installed:
1) tick the option to install the sponsor (which is not ticked by default)
2) then a big window appears with the title sponsor agreement, with a big area for the sponsor eula
3) then the user must AGAIN tick an option which is not ticked by default.

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I could uncheck "[_] install yahoo toolbar" in my sleep.

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Adeptus stated exactly that, that the sponsor is typically installed out of negligence and ignorance, not out of free will. The point SLM was trying to prove is that the sponsor IS installed out of users' free will.

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http://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=35483

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http://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=35483

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I think to save people arguing what he should do is:
Put a picture of what you are installing where it asks you if you want too install it.
This way it is clearer. They can see that the installer is asking them if they want to install yahoo tool bar or whatever .

My, my ... Ain't we all the Messenger Plus-guru's around here.
You all know exactly what Messenger Plus and it's 'sponsors' do ... and know exactly how to avoid the problem that come with it

You know what the problem is?
While you all exactly seem to know (but so desperately want the world to ignore) about the adware, PUSHED by Messenger Plus, it seems that you all try very hard to forget the main reason why this LOP-infection still can be PUSHED onto a lot of computers ...
People, like in 'just the normal internet-user', don't realise what they are downloading!
People (especially younger people, to wich Messenger Plus is very appealing) don't have a clue about the things LOP will do to the computer!
They all just see a great extention for their favorite chat-program ...

Option one: Install the sponsor program (Thank You!)
Option two: I refuse to give my support, don't install the sponsor.

These are the option, when someone (young, old, experienced or completely new at it) installs Messenger Plus.
Be fair ... those are no real options for the average user, wich give it's trust to the maker of the program.
Offcourse they want to help! Offcourse they will install the sponsor! They will only help the maker of this great Messenger-tool.
What can go wrong ...............



I have (besides the uncountable people i had to help on several help-forums) removed Messenger Plus and it's 'sponsors' on noumerous occasions in my own family and from computers from friends and neighbours.
So, please don't say that it's, in any way, minor or that it's not so bad, because IT IS BAD AND NOT MINOR AT ALL!

... and now, some of you probably will say that it is the responsibility of the user ... they should be more carefull (as you did numerous times, allready).
ERROR!! The only one that is responsible, is the one that is PUSHING the LOP-infection.

Don't try to deny it and don't try to make it right. There is NO RIGHT in PUSHING MALWARE ... never!


jahewi

Can I have this round to beat the poor dead pony?


I think some people are just so damn paranoid that they might actually believe the adware will pop out of their ass, instead of on the screen. What do you mean it will screw up your computer? It's just software! Uninstall, format. But don't think it's the death of anyone.

Are these threads EVER gonna get closed?

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I have (besides the uncountable people i had to help on several help-forums) removed Messenger Plus and it's 'sponsors' on noumerous occasions in my own family and from computers from friends and neighbours.
So, please don't say that it's, in any way, minor or that it's not so bad, because IT IS BAD AND NOT MINOR AT ALL!

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PS: adware, spyware, malware = three ENTIRELY different things.

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WOW, ain't you the security-expert
Do me a favor .... learn before you speak!

Thank you

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WOW, ain't you the security-expert
Do me a favor .... learn before you speak!

Thank you

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If only you made sense...

I'd go through a post explaining why they are different{/quote]
Yea, so?

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WOW, ain't you the security-expert
Do me a favor .... learn before you speak!

Thank you

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If only you made sense...

I'd go through a post explaining why they are different{/quote]
Yea, so?

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There it is again ... the real spirit. Bash'm down!
I'm sorry, did i hurt your feelings? THOUGH!

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who can't even spell-check their posts before they post them.

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You seem to be perfectly capable of reading my post, so why complaint?
Don't you have anything else to say?

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Originally posted by jahewi
Don't you have anything else to say?

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Pppfff ... Really, is that all you can say?

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Originally posted by jahewi
Pppfff ... Really, is that all you can say?

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WOW, ain't you the security-expert
Do me a favor .... learn before you speak!

Thank you

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If only you made sense...

I'd go through a post explaining why they are different{/quote]
Yea, so?

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but I'd be wasting my time for arse-holes with the IQ of a loaf of bread

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There it is again ... the real spirit. Bash'm down!
I'm sorry, did i hurt your feelings? THOUGH!

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who can't even spell-check their posts before they post them.

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You seem to be perfectly capable of reading my post, so why complaint?
Don't you have anything else to say?

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Originally posted by jahewi
Something like
Install the sponsor-program. Thank you!
CAUTION; the sponsor-program will reset your startpage, give you extra shortcuts to sites that can't be trusted and show loads of popups wich promiss but don't deliver

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And it isn't even called a startpage, it is a homepage. ¬_¬

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Originally posted by MenthiX

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Originally posted by jahewi
Something like
Install the sponsor-program. Thank you!
CAUTION; the sponsor-program will reset your startpage, give you extra shortcuts to sites that can't be trusted and show loads of popups wich promiss but don't deliver

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The sponsor doesn't even change the startpage, at least take some time to get your facts right.

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Originally posted by Max
And it isn't even called a startpage, it is a homepage. ¬_¬

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Originally posted by Max
And it isn't even called a startpage, it is a homepage. ¬_¬

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Originally posted by jahewi
Both are correct

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Originally posted by Dazmatic

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Originally posted by jahewi
Both are correct

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they are

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Originally posted by jahewi
Both are correct

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they are

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Why do you all think that it's alright if malware (wether it is Adware, Spyware or whatever) is installed on a computer?

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Why do you all think that it's alright if malware (wether it is Adware, Spyware or whatever) is installed on a computer?

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Its optional.

the user can choose to have it or not

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Option one: Install the sponsor program (Thank You!)
Option two: I refuse to give my support, don't install the sponsor.

These are the option, when someone (young, old, experienced or completely new at it) installs Messenger Plus.
Be fair ... those are no real options for the average user, wich give it's trust to the maker of the program.

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Why do you all think that it's alright if malware (wether it is Adware, Spyware or whatever) is installed on a computer?

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Its optional.

the user can choose to have it or not

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There is no mention that the sponsors will give them additional shortcuts to unreliable site and popups to even more questionable sites.

If there was, probably no one would install the sponsors.

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that is the point, they need to read and chose if want install that or not.

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if i dont know what is a sponsor..i dont  install it.

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Why do you all think that it's alright if malware (wether it is Adware, Spyware or whatever) is installed on a computer?

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Its optional.

the user can choose to have it or not

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that is the point, they need to read and chose if want install that or not.

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There is no mention that the sponsors will give them additional shortcuts to unreliable site and popups to even more questionable sites.

If there was, probably no one would install the sponsors.

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if i dont know what is a sponsor..i dont  install it.

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I usually avoid discussions about the sponsor program, but your ignorance annoys me.

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There is no mention that the sponsors will give them additional shortcuts to unreliable site and popups to even more questionable sites.

If there was, probably no one would install the sponsors.

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1) By accepting these terms and conditions, the Software will be installed on your computer. The search page for your web browsers auto search option and default error page are set to a web page determined by the Software. The Software does not transmit the URL of any website that you or any user visits to a 3rd party server. The Software will deliver popup advertisements on your computer on a regular basis. Installation of the Software may also add bookmarks to your computer and web browser, and shortcuts to the desktop and various menus.  The added bookmarks and shortcuts may be removed manually or via un-installation of the Software.  If incorrect host-file entries are detected for this Software's related domain names, those entries will be removed in order for this software to function properly. 

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I usually avoid discussions about the sponsor program, but your ignorance annoys me.

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There is no mention that the sponsors will give them additional shortcuts to unreliable site and popups to even more questionable sites.

If there was, probably no one would install the sponsors.

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There _is_ a statement about the shortcuts in the License Agreement.
It's even on the top of the document.
And, as MenthiX said before, please get your facts straight and go back here.
I quoted the portion of License Agreement about the shortcuts and "additional stuff" if you're lazy to do research.

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1) By accepting these terms and conditions, the Software will be installed on your computer. The search page for your web browsers auto search option and default error page are set to a web page determined by the Software. The Software does not transmit the URL of any website that you or any user visits to a 3rd party server. The Software will deliver popup advertisements on your computer on a regular basis. Installation of the Software may also add bookmarks to your computer and web browser, and shortcuts to the desktop and various menus.  The added bookmarks and shortcuts may be removed manually or via un-installation of the Software.  If incorrect host-file entries are detected for this Software's related domain names, those entries will be removed in order for this software to function properly. 

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Why do you all think that it's alright if malware (wether it is Adware, Spyware or whatever) is installed on a computer?

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There is no mention that the sponsors will give them additional shortcuts to unreliable site and popups to even more questionable sites.

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Ow please!
Don't even go there!
Don't try to explain EULA's to me *LOL*

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Messenger Plus even has 2 lenghty EULA's!
Most malware-pusher just stick with one.

Most people won't read them, because they are so nicely rapped up in unreadable sentences.


Is that the way to deal with the people that want to install the program, if the program and the maker of it are fair?

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Jahewi, if you're gonna post a load of unfounded crap on the forum please follow the rules and don't double post

Microsoft defines adware as:

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Advertising that is integrated into software. Adware is often combined with a host application that is provided at no charge as long as the user agrees to accept the adware.

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Originally posted by Wikipedia

Malware (a portmanteau of "malicious software") is any software program developed for the purpose of causing harm to a computer system, similar to a virus or trojan horse.

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computer software that obtains information from a user's computer without the user's knowledge or consent

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Why do you all think that it's alright if malware (wether it is Adware, Spyware or whatever) is installed on a computer?

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It would indeed not be alright, but IF and only IF it was installed automatically without the approval of the user.

The sponsor of Plus! can only be installed with the approval of the user, it will never ever install automatically.

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There is no mention that the sponsors will give them additional shortcuts to unreliable site and popups to even more questionable sites.

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It is stated, even before the sponsor is actually installed.

In fact, when you click the first option to install the sponsor, another window will pop up with the eula which explains everything what the sponsor does.

On that same window, the user must AGAIN tick an option (an option which is again not ticked by default) before the installer goes further.

And still the user can change his mind at this point, because the next thing which will be shown is the eula of Plus! itself, which again needs to be confirmed by ticking a box (which is again not ticked by default)... so there is still time to go back and reread and/or reconsider the actions.

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Messenger Plus even has 2 lenghty EULA's!
Most malware-pusher just stick with one.

Most people won't read them, because they are so nicely rapped up in unreadable sentences.

Is that the way to deal with the people that want to install the program, if the program and the maker of it are fair?

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Besides ... it's still LOP-adware that's being installed.
However you want to turn and twist it ... that's malware.

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if i dont know what is a sponsor..i dont  install it.

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Thank you, that's exactly my point.
If you know, you don't install.

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So, i can assume that you read any EULA, wich is shown to you, in full and understand it fully?
And that you think that anyone should?

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Originally posted by jahewi
So, i can assume that you read any EULA, wich is shown to you, in full and understand it fully?
And that you think that anyone should?

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So, i can assume that you read any EULA, wich is shown to you, in full and understand it fully?
And that you think that anyone should?

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Lets be real about it, even 500 pages of discussion will not solve or change anything. There are clearly two sides here which both think different.

Everything from both sides has been said at least 10 times by now during the last couple of days. Some people on both sides have very good points and some people on both sides are just talking total rubbish.

Its not like anybody from either side will suddenly change and say "Wow, you're totally right, I was wrong and I fully agree with you now". Neither will all this discussing change anything about the sponsor or Patchou's MVP status.

Discussion is healthy, but when we all just keep on repeating (including myself) and people are not willing to see things from the other side or change, then there is really no point.

Anti ad/spyware people will never like any form of ad sponsoring (that what makes them an anti ad/spyware person) and Messenger Plus! fans will never fully agree on the criticism (otherwise they wouldn't be fan of Plus! in the first place).

I can't imagine anybody still has something new to say about the subject... let's close it and accept not every person in the world thinks the same (would be a very boring world anyway).

Wow, you're totally right, I was wrong and I fully agree with you now MenthiX.

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Jahewi, if you're gonna post a load of unfounded crap on the forum please follow the rules and don't double post

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Advertising that is integrated into software. Adware is often combined with a host application that is provided at no charge as long as the user agrees to accept the adware.

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That seems about right to me...

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Malware (a portmanteau of "malicious software") is any software program developed for the purpose of causing harm to a computer system, similar to a virus or trojan horse.

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Nope, the sponsor does not execute any script files that may copy dangerous files or allow computers to connect to open ports on an "infected" PC.

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The expression is a general term used by computer professionals to mean a variety of forms of hostile, intrusive, or annoying software or program code.

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computer software that obtains information from a user's computer without the user's knowledge or consent

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Well, if you look at this posted by thekid earlier, you will see that the EULA states that you must ACCEPT the conditions, meaning that consent is given. Therefore it is not spyware either.

So before you say there aren't three different types, do some research. This all took 5 minutes to gather together. I'll give you a little while to run and hide whilst thinking of an argument that may or may not make sense. Just remember, no matter how smart one person thinks they are, there will always be some one smarter. What I'm getting at is, you think you know everything, but we know more

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EDIT:  Not read most of this topic but... did you just quote wikipedia as an accurate source of information?   I could edit Wikipedia to say "Malware is MESSENGER PLUS, LOL!"

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Lets be real about it, even 500 pages of discussion will not solve or change anything. There are clearly two sides here which both think different.

Everything from both sides has been said at least 10 times by now during the last couple of days. Some people on both sides have very good points and some people on both sides are just talking total rubbish.

Its not like anybody from either side will suddenly change and say "Wow, you're totally right, I was wrong and I fully agree with you now". Neither will all this discussing change anything about the sponsor or Patchou's MVP status.

Discussion is healthy, but when we all just keep on repeating (including myself) and people are not willing to see things from the other side or change, then there is really no point.

Anti ad/spyware people will never like any form of ad sponsoring (that what makes them an anti ad/spyware person) and Messenger Plus! fans will never fully agree on the criticism (otherwise they wouldn't be fan of Plus! in the first place).

I can't imagine anybody still has something new to say about the subject... let's close it and accept not every person in the world thinks the same (would be a very boring world anyway).

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Yea, so?
Where did i say that there is spyware involved?

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