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Contact talking to.. by Chris4 on 10-24-2006 at 01:41 PM
I'm looking for a script that your contact can use (therefore it's not an invasion of their privacy) and when you type !talk in a conversation, it shows the name (and email?) of each contact they are talking to.
Is there a script similar to this or anyone interested in making it?
RE: Contact talking to.. by alexp2_ad on 10-24-2006 at 02:15 PM
Sure. Can't be bothered with windows and such but this covers the basics. 
Tested for about 20 seconds. Oh, and it's blatantly clear to the person with the script installed that they're sending this message, so don't use it for naughtys. 
EDIT: Removed.
RE: Contact talking to.. by Plan-1130 on 10-24-2006 at 05:23 PM
PlusRemote can do that, just type "!list window all" and all windows with contacts (email + status) will be returned.
To get the name you type "!contact nick <email>".
RE: Contact talking to.. by Chris4 on 10-26-2006 at 08:02 PM
Thank you very much alexp2_ad ![[Image: msn_grin.gif]](http://shoutbox.menthix.net/images/smilies/msn_grin.gif)
and thanks Plan-1130.
RE: Contact talking to.. by JYap on 10-27-2006 at 03:38 PM
so plusremote can actually tell you who your friends is talking to or which friend is talking to you?
RE: Contact talking to.. by Jimbo on 10-27-2006 at 03:39 PM
quote:
Originally posted by JYap
so plusremote can actually tell you who your friends is talking to or which friend is talking to you?
If your contacts and you have it installed, then yes
RE: Contact talking to.. by Plan-1130 on 10-27-2006 at 09:57 PM
PlusRemote can tell your friends who you are talking to (by returning all open conversations) if you have PlusRemote installed.
RE: Contact talking to.. by heissam on 10-28-2006 at 04:47 PM
hi,
how can i use Chris4's Magical Script????
thanks for help??
RE: Contact talking to.. by Jimbo on 10-28-2006 at 04:49 PM
quote:Well get your contact to install it, then talk to that contact. Type !talk into the conversation window and then it will show you who your contact is talking to(their nickname and email)
Originally posted by heissam
hi,
how can i use Chris4's Magical Script????
thanks for help??
RE: Contact talking to.. by Chris4 on 10-28-2006 at 06:22 PM
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RE: RE: Contact talking to.. by CookieRevised on 12-29-2006 at 09:38 AM
It does invade the privacy of people
quote:Which is exactly why this IS a MAJOR invasion of privacy!
Originally posted by Jimbodude
then it will show you who your contact is talking to(their nickname and email)
Even only showing the nickname is actually an invasion of privacy of your contacts btw.
Everything you do 'publically' in Messenger (screenname, status, etc) is for your contacts eyes only.
If I want some stranger to know if I'm online or not, I would have add that stranger to my contactlist in the first place.
Even more breaching my privacy is that that stranger would even know my email address....
Please either remove that script or change it so it at least doesn't show the email.
As such this script has been reported.
RE: Contact talking to.. by Deco on 12-29-2006 at 10:15 AM
Cookie
Not that I agree with either side but as far as I understood the other people they think that if you agree to show your contact's name and email.. it's not invasion of privacy.
But as you stated this might be for the person whose e-mail is shown. So maybe they should include a clause in the license that you would only use it if the people in your contact list agree that their email "could" be seen by anyone else in that list.
This is different than sending someonee a script that'll do the same thing but without the chat messages.. thus getting the contact's friends emails without even your contact knowing what you're doing.
RE: Contact talking to.. by CookieRevised on 12-29-2006 at 10:32 AM
Nobody who install such a script is going to bother and ask each and everyone on his contactlist for his/her confirmation.
And even if they did, then everybody need to give their permission, since such scripts do not check if that specific contact who you are showing the email of has given his/her permission...
Moreover, the people who want and use such scripts are quite often not even aware of privacy issues and just unknowing youngsters (no offense Chris4). I don't care if they make their email public to everyone and recieve spam and stuff, but I do care about my email which I gave to people in trust.
It also wouldn't be the first time that someone says "I promise I don't give out your email address" and yet run stuff like this script or run by accident a dodgy program/virus which harvests emails on their computer and mailbox, etc...
There is absolutely no difference between a script like this or a real spy script. Only that it is harder to let people understand that such a script like this is a big privacy invasion too...
quote:It doesn't matter what they think tbh. It IS an invasion of privacy... As I said, I do not want my email shown by my contacts to other people, it is as simple as that and this should, quite frankly, even not be a discussion but logical common (privacy) sense.
Originally posted by Deco
as I understood the other people they think that if you agree to show your contact's name and email.. it's not invasion of privacy.
And this rant is mostly about emails, but even for a screen name and even a status this goes just the same.
RE: Contact talking to.. by alexp2_ad on 12-29-2006 at 10:47 AM
Hmmm... not sure I 100% agree, for it to invade anyone's privacy the script has to be installed without the persons knowledge, and at that point, the person presumably has access to the "victims" pc, so they could look at their contacts anyway.
That said, it's a fair point, so I updated the script so that it does this:
![[Image: chris4alert.png]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/alexp2_ad/chris4alert.png)
The only quibble now is whether showing other peoples e-mails is an invasion of privacy, but since the person is DEFINITELY knowingly doing it, it's equivalent to just manually typing it anyway. But just to make sure I also made it turn off sending of e-mails by default, it has to be manually enabled through the script menu everytime the script is run.
If there's any other way you think I could improve it to keep it legit, please feel free to let me know.
EDIT: I suppose I could make it send a message to all the other chat windows telling them their stupid contact just sent out their e-mail, but that might be a bit much...
BTW, the email in that alert is my old one I use for testing and my real one is in my profile anyway, so please don't bother to add that.
RE: Contact talking to.. by Ezra on 12-29-2006 at 10:50 AM
I'm with cookie about this, this script invades the privacy of everyone that the person is currently talking to when the script sends the list.
Why would you want to know who your contact is talking to anyway? Just ask!
If anyone on my list would have this script I would block him/her.
RE: RE: Contact talking to.. by CookieRevised on 12-29-2006 at 10:53 AM
quote:You completely miss the point I'm afraid...
Originally posted by alexp2_ad
for it to invade anyone's privacy the script has to be installed without the persons knowledge, and at that point, the person presumably has access to the "victims" pc, so they could look at their contacts anyway.
Your script is installed and used without permission from the people who you are showing info from to strangers.
Also, privacy issues don't begin or end with "having access to a PC". In this case having access to a pc has got nothing todo with it. Also, if something or someone doesn't have access to a PC, it doesn't mean it automatically is not an invasion of privacy anymore.
quote:Absolutely and utterly no.
Originally posted by alexp2_ad
but since the person is DEFINITELY knowingly doing it, it's equivalent to just manually typing it anyway.
eg: I do NOT know if my contact is using this script to show MY email to one of HIS contacts.
If one of my contacts installed and use this script, then my email, my screen name, etc is shown to one of his contacts, which is a stranger to me who has no bussiness in what my email, screen name or whatever else is.
- Showing the email shouldn't be an option, it should never be shown.
- Even a screen name is private to your contacts, and isn't meant for the contacts of your contact.
- Such a script should never have been released here in the first place, imo, sorry
To put it simply: your script is the exact equivalent of me posting your email address to anybody who request it. Did you gave your permission to me that I could send your email? No...
RE: Contact talking to.. by alexp2_ad on 12-29-2006 at 11:04 AM
Fine, removed.
RE: Contact talking to.. by Deco on 12-29-2006 at 12:20 PM
Well Cookie you have to consider that some people (if not most people) don't really care if their email is shown in a "Who-are-you-talking-to-script". Not only that but also that some people might actually want to use this script for some odd reason.
Even though I wouldn't use it and wouldn't want my email given away.. I wouldn't take out the script just because I don't think along the lines of it's creator.
I can totally understand taking out the script when it's something like a trojan and has functions that would harm the person's computer.. but taking out this one just feels harsh to me.
Just my opinion anyway
RE: Contact talking to.. by Chris4 on 12-29-2006 at 07:50 PM
Erm, I don't know what to say. It was fine till the other day 
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I only use the script with my girlfriend so we can quickly check who each other are talking to. We both have no problems with that.
I only wanted it for private use (only for myself) when I first asked for someone to make it. I see Cookie's point and it's fair enough, I agree.
I have also removed the script.
Thanks again, alexp2_ad.
RE: Contact talking to.. by Spunky on 12-29-2006 at 10:31 PM
I suppose it's the same as you hiding you email on these forums for example, only to have someone else ask one of your buddies for it 
I agree that it should never have been posted, even if someone had already made a version for their own private use... Thats on their heads and they will suffer the consequences from their contacts
RE: Contact talking to.. by CookieRevised on 12-30-2006 at 02:14 AM
quote:Even if you are correct (which I doubt seeing how many people do not want their mail shown on a forum for example) it is SOME people, not ALL people, and as such it is an invasion of privacy...
Originally posted by Deco
Well Cookie you have to consider that some people (if not most people) don't really care if their email is shown in a "Who-are-you-talking-to-script".
quote:The reason to use it totally doesn't matter since it is an invasion of privacy...
Originally posted by Deco
Not only that but also that some people might actually want to use this script for some odd reason.
Let me give you the exact same equivalent of me showing your private email on every forum I frequent for the reason that I it puts more text in my posts (if that is an enough odd reason
). As such, the reason does not matter, it is an invasion of your privacy by me.It is not for nothing that contact emails are listed in the 'Privacy' options panel, that a 'confirmation' needs to be given by your contacts to you if you want them to add to your friends list (which can be seen by contacts of contacts), etc, etc...
quote:Harsh? It is harsh that such scripts invade people's privacy...
Originally posted by Deco
I can totally understand taking out the script when it's something like a trojan and has functions that would harm the person's computer.. but taking out this one just feels harsh to me.
Again this doesn't have anything todo with virusses, trojans, spyware, harming other computers, it has todo with privacy. Btw, with the emails harvested by such a script you can harm people, servers, etc, it is called spam.
quote:It never was fine from the start though... If a thread isn't read upon in a time it doesn't mean everything is ok with the thing posted in the thread.
Originally posted by Chris4
Erm, I don't know what to say. It was fine till the other day (Smilie).
quote:That doesn't matter at all because in that case you are breaking the privacy of your contacts.
Originally posted by Chris4
I only wanted it for private use (only for myself)
And if it was for one of your contacts to use, so you can see who that contact is talking to, then that contact is breaking the privacy of his contacts.
It is and always will be breaking someone's privacy. So called private use or not.