All we know that plus! has a complete international support. However some people can't benefit this  because as Patchou wrote "Language files increase the size of the setup file so we don't add languages spoken by relatively a few people." Also I noticed that the current Languages folder size is 3.1 MB and setup file size is already 4.63 MB. As you see almost two of third of the setup file is consisted of Languages. I don't understand programming but instead adding every language to setup file, let people download Plus! directly in their own language. Then when somebody wants to use another language, let him select and download it from Preferences panel automatically. Or maybe this kind of selection can be prepared for the first window that setup will display when starting to installation. Why I wrote this is that when I want to share Plus! with my friends I have difficulty to make them install it because they don't know English mostly. Think this, thank you from now. 

I don't think they will change it,and this its just 2-3 mb.As you know [Turkish] our internet connections speed 1mb

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Originally posted by RaPLeX
it is like this for years and I don't think they will change it now

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Why? They use the same files, just that it reads the language file you choose. Same with the installer. And it's easier to have one setup file which is edited rather than having 15+ files to edit each and every single time. I'd love to see you edit 15+ setup files for just one minor change

Actually, you don't need 15+ installers at all for this. All you need is one installer that checks the download server for a list of languages when you run it, so the language you want is downloaded during setup. The same thing can be done when the user wants to change the language in preferences.

People talked about something like this before. I still think it could be a good idea, if it decreases the download size per user than there will be faster downloads during big releases and less corrupted downloads (yes Patchou, you got a new server, but it;s still happening on some days). Also, more interesting, the less spoken smaller languages can be added back... at least every language that WLM is available in too.

I wrote something wrong in my previous post. I  meant that why do they pack all language files into a setup file. Instead, let them write a setup program that would come with a default (english) language file and can then download the desired language file from the web in the first installation window. Why I am interested in this issue is that patchou says "we don't want to increase the setup file size" however most of us had to download language files that we would never use. I say  "Don't increase setup file size but offer more language option even for languages for minority of people."

ahmetgns, have you actually done the sums after it's installed? Well lets do the sums;

Once installed the folder is approx. 9.58MB and the language files are approx 3.12MB. Once you put the language files (approx. 3.12MB) over the total folder size (approx. 9.58MB), and then times it by 100, you get approx.32.5678496868...
So the languages only takes up around a third of the actual program. So to say that languages takes up over 2 thirds of the actual setup program is really taking things out of proportion. Any more than say half of the setup and it's getting a bit excessive not only to mention that the sponsor program, although heavily modified, would take up a bit as well.

However, it should be stressed that we are both only basing all this setup stuff purely on theories, however, my calculation would be somewhat more realistic compared to yours which is like comparing apples (program folder) and bananas (setup file) when I'm basing my calculations based on what the program folder sizes are, and not the language folder compared to the setup file. The only time I relate it to the setup file is after all my calculations are complete and I am fully satisfied that the calculations are fully correct. Also is must be remembered that a setup files is reduced and thus even my calculation may also be out, but it may not be by as much as you

And MenthiX, what your saying is true, but the same could still happen when downloading a language file. It may be a smaller chance but it could still happen. And would be even worse if your not sure what in the world is going on, to which then the user would become frustrated and then we end up losing users and receive a bad name because of it thus, resulting in less users downloading the program.

In reality, we shouldn't be complaining for the size and the amount of languages you get with Messenger Plus! Live compared to Windows Live Messenger which only comes with one language in the setup file.

MattyRid,
I am not complaining that Plus! comes in a variety of languages. But I mean that if the size is increasing with each language and therefore Patchou don't put my native language (Turkish) to the setup file, I should develop some ideas for my language to be added. And all my effort is increase the languages of Plus!.  And also I noticed that you are a bit pessimistic about the downloads. Thinking broadly, there is definitely less possibility that downloading a language file (approx. 170 KB) to be corrupted compared with a setup file (approx. 4.63 MB) .

And I think, you again made a mistake about the calculations in spite of your very much effort.. I am not talking and complaining about the program's folder size(My harddrive has 100 GB capacity ). I am talking about the setup file's size. And it is not important the percentage of the languages in the setup file, it was just a comparison. Also if an expert write about the languages size in a setup file, I would be glad. Because I still think the languages size is two third of the Plus!'s original setup file. Thanks ...

But your still comparing the languages folder to the setup file which is not the way to go about it. That's why I did those calculations and that's why I'm saying you are more likely to be way out compared to me.

OK perhaps this isn't the best example to do but I think it's a good way of showing why ahmetgns, your idea is still wrong. I want you to get the program folder and put it into a ZIP archive (without scripts), and then I want you to go to the language folder and then ZIP that as well, look at the difference. As I said it might not be the best comparison but by golly does it demonstrate something. And if your still not convinced, then I can't think of another way to prove a point to you.

And to say I made a mistake in my calculations..please give me a break, at least I was comparing apples wit apples and not apples with bananas (Means I was comparing and calculated based on folders and not folder to setup file).

OK thank you. I am now convinced because I didn't know the setup file is a zipped file. (maybe you didn't mean that but I understood so). Whatever, there is a reality which you may also agree that more language mean more setup file size, so some languages aren't inserted to the setup for this reason.

IIRC, Patchou didnt want to download them on the install because people could accuse Msg Plus! of it communicating home...

It's not a Zip file but the principle is the same, which it seems you got the point, and adding more languages yes it will increase, but as you have already seen with 20 langauges (yes that is the number in the languages folder without adding others) it's not that bad. And to give you another idea, add another 20 languages to the langauges archive (just copy and paste them somewhere and then put them in the ZIP file) and you will see your still well under the 2 thirds that you still claim. In fact it is still around the 1 third mark which was my first calculation.

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Originally posted by Voldemort
IIRC, Patchou didnt want to download them on the install because people could accuse Msg Plus! of it communicating home...

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Let's clarify this a bit:

All the files in to be installed are zip-compressed inside the installer. That includes language files, which are text files, therefore they compress a lot. We are talking about reducing the file size by 80%+, so a language file is just only 32 Kb. And what's 32Kb in a 4Mb+ installer which is going to increase its size more and more as Patchou adds new features to Plus? IMO, Patchou should include more languages in the installer. Of course, I agree with him that it isn't possible to add every language in the world, but at least he should be a bit more permissive.

Patchou, it you're reading this, note that people are making an effort to translate Plus into their language. I think that putting their file in the installer is like a good prize for their work.

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Originally posted by Voldemort
Patchou didnt want to download them on the install because people could accuse Msg Plus! of it communicating home...

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Originally posted by ahmetgns
Because I still think the languages size is two third of the Plus!'s original setup file. Thanks ...

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Originally posted by Choli
The thing is that (and I agree with Patchou here) Patchou doesn't want its installer to depend on the server to perform a correct installation. What about if the server is down when the user wants to install it? Note that not everyone installs Plus just after downloading it from the internet. Several people get Plus from a CD of a magazine, or from some friend, etc... and at every moment, the setup must be ready to be installed.

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Thank you for your long replies. I am totally convinced now. However the reason why I insist on such a thing that I spend a lot time to fix the translation mistakes in my language (turkish) and I want all Turkish users benefit it. Maybe you also noticed that I have updated my file several times even for a small mistake. Because as you said there were  very misleading translation mistakes, such this: Instead "This option is global to all Messenger users on this computer" the translation was such: "You may able to access all your Messenger accounts with this option checked " . Or somewhere the option sentence was cut due to its length. I claim that my translation is the best in this forum now, of course they are Turkish Plus! users who will decide that but is there any chance to open a grading system that people have chance to grade the translations?

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Originally posted by ahmetgns
I don't want to be an official translator, because I am aware of the big responsibility. However I claim that my translation is the best in this forum now, of course they are Turkish Plus! users who will decide that but is there any chance to open a grading system that people have chance to grade the translations?

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You said there are some other translators like Raplex but believe me the file which is seen attached to RapleX's post is also mine. I wanted from him to attach my file to the forum because I didn't know how to attach the file to a post. However RapleX has written his name to the translators section I have updated it 20 times after that first post and still the file RapleX has put have some mistakes. I had really spent a lot effort even for the underlined letters in menus, you cannot find same underlined letters in one menu window. By the way it isn't important that my name can be seen in the Translators section of "About Plus!" window however if you plan to put Turkish translation to the setup next time I advice you to put the one in my post. I am not angry about RapleX but I wish all Turkish users use my translation in order to use Plus! efficiently. Thanks.. I hope to see Turkish Plus! soon...

Only Patchou has the authority to select an official translator.

But first, you need to discuss all this between yourselfs and come to a consensus.

Quite frankly, it doesn't matter to Patchou or anyone else whos name is in the about window, as long as it reflects who translated the file (and it doesn't include websites or email addresses).

If a translation posted by someone is being fixed by someone else it is very desireable to take those fixes and adapt them.

This is why unofficial translation files need to be posted on the forum so people can report mistakes. And as I said before, there are guidelines to be followed to exactly prevent things like what is happening now.

The bottom line is that as long there is a fight between translators as in whos translation should become official or even whos translation it actually is, neither of them will become official.

This is something you need to resolve first between all the Turkish translators.

And seeing that there are many versions of the translation (see links in previous post), it does not give a very good picture of what is a proper translation and what not. Even the single fact that a new thread is made each time a new vesion is posted is not a good thing.

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Also, ahmetgns, the version of Raplex does include the very same name as your version (which I assume is your name)... However, there are indeed some things in Raplex's version which are not translated, which are in ahmetgns' version.

Appart from that a lot of words have different spelling in ahmetgns' version. Thus, as it is now, (and without knowing Turkish!!), I'd say that ahmetgns' version is more up-to-date...

But again, all this is something you two need to resolve first.

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Originally posted by ahmetgns
All we know that plus! has a complete international support. However some people can't benefit this  because as Patchou wrote "Language files increase the size of the setup file so we don't add languages spoken by relatively a few people." Also I noticed that the current Languages folder size is 3.1 MB and setup file size is already 4.63 MB. As you see almost two of third of the setup file is consisted of Languages. I don't understand programming but instead adding every language to setup file, let people download Plus! directly in their own language. Then when somebody wants to use another language, let him select and download it from Preferences panel automatically. Or maybe this kind of selection can be prepared for the first window that setup will display when starting to installation. Why I wrote this is that when I want to share Plus! with my friends I have difficulty to make them install it because they don't know English mostly. Think this, thank you from now. 

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I thought it was already settled

I mean, its not really that much.

i know nothing - i am just writing as if i was drunk...
dont count me in... i just write my own oppinion... noting official to declare

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Originally posted by Kian
shrink the setup-file to english

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Originally posted by Kian
it would take a war, building all those unique setup-files...

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Originally posted by Choli
why not spanish?

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and why to english? why not spanish? I'm quite sure that the number of spanish-speaking users of Plus is nearly the same (or maybe more) that the english-speaking users. (Patchou, post language stats! )

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that would be very easy....  the problem would be if someone downloads Plus in one language and wants to use another. He/She'd have to click on the "download more languages" button, etc... Really, I prefer much more in the way it is now... and the more languages are added to the installation, the best 

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Originally posted by Kian
Are you writing this post in English or Spanish?

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Originally posted by Kian
English is national. Spanish is not. Neither is Danish.

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Originally posted by Kian
Is'nt that just fantastic?

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Originally posted by Kian
well not to be rude at all

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Everything that had to be said has already been said by Choli and Cookie so...