http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/01/24/europe/...Russia-Estonia.php

What the hell are they thinking?! How can they feel offended when we are removing symbols remembering past and Soviet Union? Estonia has had a long way up to the independence and Russia has been the major factor preventing us becoming independent. Yeah, besides that russians are claiming that there never was an occupation and whatever that was going on - it was good for the country. WTF do they know? Would this problem be a problem if the "accredited" occupation was good to us and to our country? Would i be posting this thread if i'm happy with past events? No way!

It seems that russians can be described this way: all that they doesn't like, does not exist or has to be annihilated. It's like they don't have a clue about moral justice and rights (etc "you can have your opinion, but it's indisposed to obtrude it"). If they feel offended by this law, then what should we do? Should we close our eyes and pretend that there was no russian rule and we're all happy and optimistic? No! We should have hanged ourselves years ago if they are upset because of that. Red army destroyed so many cultural inheritances and momuments when conquering Estonia and other Baltic countries. What do you think about that? Imagine a situtation where Estonia or any other state has conquered entire or part of Russia. After this, they set up monument glorifying it's state's soldiers and rule. Would you/they, russians, remove the statue after regaining the land and power?

Time goes on and every day im becoming less and less tolerating against Russia and russians. It's just ... abnormal.

Note: this thread was not submitted in order to provoke international antagonism. This is a matter of opinion.

No, they're not right. They occupied the country by force and if they want those monuments they can keep them, away from them.

Anyways.., I'm busy now.. I'll update this post later.

If I understand correctly... Russia doesn't want you to remove monuments, monuments are part of the world heritage... (and by that I don't just mean the Historic Centre (Old Town) of Tallinn (1997) and Struve Geodetic Arc (2005))
In my opinion it is always bad to remove such kind of monuments...
I know to little about the situation to say something about the claims that Russia makes about not occupying Estonia..

Hi rix,

There are two separate issues here. 

First is whether it is any of Russia's business what Estonians do with monuments on their territory -- it obviously isn't.  I don't see why Russian parliament sees it as their place to pass resolutions about it.  That's just silly.

The other issue is my opinion on the proposed removal.  I have mixed feelings about that.  Historical significance should be considered here and it sounds like the monument commemorates the Soviet Red Army's role in ending WWII, not necessarily Soviet occupation of Estonia.  That is likely why it has remained to this day, while hundreds of other Soviet symbols without any positive significance were promptly removed throughout the Baltic states after regaining independence.

I should note that the Allies victory and the end of WWII was not a factor contributing to Soviet occupation of Estonia.  That was already a part of the agreement between USSR and Hitler's Germany (Molotov-Ribbentrop pact) and the outcome for Estonia would have been the same either way.

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Originally posted by rix
It seems that russians can be described this way: all that they doesn't like, does not exist or has to be annihilated.

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Originally posted by rix
Time goes on and every day im becoming less and less tolerating against Russia and russians.

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Originally posted by rix
It seems that russians can be described this way: all that they doesn't like, does not exist or has to be annihilated. It's like they don't have a clue about moral justice and rights (etc "you can have your opinion, but it's indisposed to obtrude it").

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Originally posted by Adeptus
I should note that the Allies victory and the end of WWII was not a factor contributing to Soviet occupation of Estonia.  That was already a part of the agreement between USSR and Hitler's Germany (Molotov-Ribbentrop pact) and the outcome for Estonia would have been the same either way.

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Originally posted by Adeptus
The Soviet occupation of Baltic states was an act by a regime that no longer exists even in Russia.  Blaming all people of Russian nationality for it is probably not very fair.

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Originally posted by Supersonicdarky
to the point, why does it really matter? its just a random monument. will it effect your everyday life if it stays or not? probably not. so why be so angry?

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Originally posted by Adeptus
Overall, I think it's time for the Baltic states and Russia to get over the past and move on with the future.  Historical, cultural and economic connections have always existed there and probably should continue to.

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