To be honest, I'm sick of all these threads over the forums complaining about how X was treated and Y was treated.

The reputation system is pointless to be honest.  I do agree that CookieRevised, Sunshine & others do deserve to have a good reputation but it wouldn't matter at the end.  They're still as helpful.

Get rid of the reputation system for good will change very much the way this forum works.

If someone new joins and isn't sure or messing around, he'd simply get full with negative reps. & no one will care.

If there is no reputation system present, no one will do anything & if someone starts complaining at him in a post, post reported, person banned, problem solved.

I'm willing to change my mind if someone has a good reason on why not to disable the reputation system.

[10:13:07am] <linx05> or make the rep system private so only mods can see it

As I've said before the rep system is a bad idea. It may be handy for the moderating team but not for everyone else. Butttt... nothing will change. The forum here is so set in its ways it will be a while before anything changes. Anyone remember the thread I made a while back about how the forum is going down hill? Well...

No, it's still pointless with it being private.  Report his post or him doing something wrong or PM an admin/moderator about it.

i totally agree that its not needed and that it is pointless all its really doing is putting people against each other. and what is the point of it anyway .... to acknowledge that some one is helpful or not. let other people judge that not members telling them who to judge of who is good or who is bad 

I wouldn't moan too much: you've all got good reps after all.

Wasn't this discussed in the past..?

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Wasn't this discussed in the past..?

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Wasn't this discussed in the past..?

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annual*

all that needs to be done is forbid rep threads, if someone has something to say, pm the person.

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it's like a yearly tradition

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annual*

all that needs to be done is forbid rep threads, if someone has something to say, pm the person.

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I agrre with you that the Reputation can be used to "attack" someone (unfortunatelly, I've seen it).

But sometimes it is a good indicator if you're doing a bad/good job... I've seen cases that the person started with neg reputation (on the first posts), as he/she spamed and sometimes made posts with no usefull content, but he/she improved and today he/she has pos reputation.

So, the problem that is more complained here is about the unfair reputation. In this point we maybe had to make an upgrade. People have said that we could make a system that new people doesn't get voted, or, the case here, to stop it. Just would like to remember that some people here don't get stressed with reputation.

I have to agree that people with good reputation (or not or none) in most cases come here to help or get helped. AND I would like to remember that we cannot make h´ppy all the people, so a neg rep (when is fair) is normal (now we're coming back to the unfair part).

So, in my opinion, it can be stoped the  reputation system, but, if it continues (is that I belive that is going to hapen, as, if I'm not wrong it have been instaled for people interaction or something similar) no problem too.

Ohh... I was forgeting: maybe we could choose some people (the older ones here) to judge the reputation, but maybe it's difficult. Also, try to search on the forum, because posts with suggestions about the reputation have been made...

EDIT: But contacting an Adim. is good to when we need to make things fair... Have to agree with you again...

The reputation system is not at fault, it is the attitude of some people that is wrong...

If you think that the reputation system is useless, then simply don't use it.

If you like to abuse the reputation system, that says more about you and your attitude than about the reputation system itself.

Removing or changing the reputation system is not going to change and/or help the attitude of those people. They still will act immature...


PS: yes this has indeed be discussed before...

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No, it's still pointless with it being private.  Report his post or him doing something wrong or PM an admin/moderator about it.

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I smell another "Members behaviour" thread.

I dont think the rep system should be removed, the rep isnt at fault. But really does rep matter? if some person gives you a neg for crap that is not true all you have to do is just forget about that person and move on.

this topic has been argued to death, every single time somebody makes a thread about the quality of the forums member, with in an hour its turned in to a debate about weather the rep system should stay or not, and to be honest, its not our decision, its the admins decision, and they've decided it stays, making polls or threads about it so everybody starts screaming at each other doesn't help it to get better,  it only gets on peoples nerves, and it gets way out of hand.

arguing or even discussing it won't make a difference, if the forum admins feel that the reputation system is no longer a good part of these forums, then they will remove it. on their own. not with our help.

can this thread be locked before it gets out of hand?

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No, it's still pointless with it being private.  Report his post or him doing something wrong or PM an admin/moderator about it.

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One of the reasons someone said the rep is a good thing was because it let the mod know if he/she is a good person. Since it is only them who deal out the punishments it would be good for them to see it.

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Rep system is a good feature..its good for the community, if you see it being used in a wrong way its people's fault not the system's fault.

If you think its useless then i think you are giving too much importance to it just by creating a new thread.

My point being discrate it will be better for the members. Those 20 lies would only create flames in threads when that member tries to help. Making the reps private will allow the member to be judged better by the people who deal out the punishments.

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Removing or changing the reputation system is not going to change and/or help the attitude of those people. They still will act immature...

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Get rid of the reputation system

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The reputation system is not at fault, it is the attitude of some people that is wrong...

Removing or changing the reputation system is not going to change and/or help the attitude of those people.

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arguing or even discussing it won't make a difference, if the forum admins feel that the reputation system is no longer a good part of these forums, then they will remove it. on their own. not with our help.

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Ohh... I was forgeting: maybe we could choose some people (the older ones here) to judge the reputation, but maybe it's difficult.

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arguing or even discussing it won't make a difference, if the forum admins feel that the reputation system is no longer a good part of these forums, then they will remove it. on their own. not with our help.

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people's fault not the system's fault.

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debate about weather the rep system should stay or not

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No, it's still pointless with it being private.

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Get rid of the reputation system

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Don't you think that's a little drastic? Is there no hope of improving it, either with technical modifications or policy changes?

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If you think that the reputation system is useless, then simply don't use it.

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all that needs to be done is forbid rep threads

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To be perfectly honest, Cookie is (once again) correct. The people that abuse the system in the first place are at fault. And with the many threads we've been getting the last few weeks, I'm seeing some changes already with things. For example, TnT is pruned rather regularly, and on top of that, if people would simply use the fucking report button complaining wouldn't be needed.


It's getting ridiculously out of hand, the spam and stuff is loads less annoying than all the threads complaining about it.

So as members, and as a part of the community, if we want this to be a better place, we need to press that button every time we see something wrong.


There is also the great button, which in this case, pm's the great dz. This button is quite useful because it can help you report reputations *GASP*

So use the buttons, and that's it. There really shouldn't be any need for repetitive threads about closing the reputation system and stuff. If we stop abusing it, it'll be useful.

So to summarize:


(WDZ)
(wj)
(Chris Boulton)

Thank you Lou, Great summary. Though I'll say this much, You can also PM Surfi or I.

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Ohh... I was forgeting: maybe we could choose some people (the older ones here) to judge the reputation, but maybe it's difficult.

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Perhaps there should be a panel which includes admins, mods, and elites which votes for rep count. I mean, they are special for a reason, and I'm sure they can be honest. But then, it might be A LOT of work for them to rep each and every member...

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And one more thing, if "unfair reps" are the problem, banning the person from repping for 30 days is an idea. If he/she repeats it, make it permanent (Like trolling on a new user for making a thread in 2-3 forums could get you a months ban from the repping system)

If you're still having issues with the repping system, increase the min limits after which people can rep. Quite a few forums only allow their senior members to give reps.

Lou's summary > *

There should be an option like "I could care less", but I'm all for trying the theory that "no rep system == better forums".

Maybe we could try it for a couple of weeks? You know, simply "hide" it and see if the admins see a difference.


Or maybe there should be a limitation as to how many negatives new members can receive? Like, say, three a day. There's no need for 20 guys to say the same thing about spammy01 or cluelessnewbie01.

But I'm kind of tired of these discussions, so don't expect me to waste study time in any new threads of this nature. I'm mostly an observer, these days, anyway.

Why dont we just disable the reputation system for newbies, (100 posts) or something like that.

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Why dont we just disable the reputation system for newbies, (100 posts) or something like that.

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No, it's still pointless with it being private.  Report his post or him doing something wrong or PM an admin/moderator about it.

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One of the reasons someone said the rep is a good thing was because it let the mod know if he/she is a good person. Since it is only them who deal out the punishments it would be good for them to see it.

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Thats not right. I could get 20 people to neg and put all lies. the mods wont think your a good person or not just by looking at rep.

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Why dont we just disable the reputation system for newbies, (100 posts) or something like that.

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I think stricter moderation is all thats needed, make it easyer to get banned from giving reps. I also think that reporting reps should be just like reporting posts, with a button and all. We're all lazy as well

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Yeah and maybe a quick report button on the rep page and that should be much eaiser for us and for wdz.
Lets face it if any of us see's a bad rep we may report it once in a while but if there are loads then we wont.

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Yeah and maybe a quick report button on the rep page and that should be much eaiser for us and for wdz.
Lets face it if any of us see's a bad rep we may report it once in a while but if there are loads then we wont.

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The rep system lets me know if a user often posts fake material or is a known spammer back with a different account. When I see a ton of negatives and read the comments I know I shouldn't trust this person. Therefore I believe the rep system should stay .

To be honest, I'm surprised at the amount of people who think it should stay.

If I may ask, why was it removed long-time ago by first place?

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rep system doesnt change your REAL reputation in REAL life

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To be honest, I'm surprised at the amount of people who think it should stay.

If I may ask, why was it removed long-time ago by first place?

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I imagine it was removed back then because there was no need, with a smaller userbase it would have been quite clear who was who. Now we have new member posting all the time, and you need a better idea of the quality of the members posts and behaviour.

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I don't think it should be removed, just looked at again, it needs to be less 'abusable'.

Mind, I have no idea how to do that.

Also, as I think has been said before, it's more the people's action towards it. It seems as though some people think it's a toy, others think they need a good rep, for whatever reason, e.g. looking 'cool' or something.

I would say I don't care about my reps, but it's not true, and everyone knows it. I do care care, but not overly much. I admit, I'd much rather see a positive number there, and the higher the number the better. But In all honesty, it doesn't matter, I help if I can, that's enough. If someone doesn't have a big positive number under their name, it doesn't mean they don't help or can't help. So you shouldn't feel bad about having a low rep or something like that, which leads me back to the fact, some people want to be 'cool', look good in the other forum members eyes. But what does it matter as long as you help out?

Another thing, while I remember, is the constant 'n00b bashing' is really annoying. Not everyone's as smart as you. Though some people do lack some common sense ;p

Just try not to jump on the 'n00b' as quick, be nice, and if they're doing something wrong, PM them to say "hey, you shouldn't do XYZ blah blah blah" and report anything they've done if need be.
(And yes, I'm quite aware that I do this a lot('n00b bashing' that is) sorry, I'm trying to not to do it so much, I think a big problem here is a kind of 'peer pressure' type thing)

You don't need to negatively rep someone to tell them what they're doing wrong. PM THEM FOO!

Oh, and I don't mind the jokey stuff, like someone does something like messing up some BBcode and someone says "you phail at BBcode" or something, that's minor and is only a joke, and not exactly offensive, or harsh. But when someone(or a group of people, which seems to happen a lot) goes kingdom kong on someone's ass... =/


Okay, I went off-topic a bit I think, so sorry for that. I also wanted to say more, but i can't get the words out =s

Anywho, It's good, just needs to be more fool proof ;o

Yeah,
The reps dont affect my life, but it's nice to know what people think about you and what you're doing wrong.

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I think it should stay, no matter if its abused.

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Agreed it's your opinion, but why?

Don't you think it has caused enough problems because people getting mistreated?

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What? Are you refering to MyBB's default rep system?
Was that even part of mybb when it was first implemented on this forum?

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It allows people to express their opinions and rep each other, and have fun with the comments they put.

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Right, this thread sorts out the quarterly rep rant then. So where's the whole-forum-is-going-downhill thread? They're normally within a few weeks of each other.

I figured it was due.

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The users who gave a negative rep. to the new user a few days ago and once that's reported, the users should get warned/banned depending on the severity.

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I too think the rep system is pretty silly. Maybe that's why you hardly ever see it utilized other places? What you get is a bunch of users giving each other meaningless positive rep points in order to hopefully get one back.
Even without this factor present I still wouldn't take much notice of any given user's reputation. I'm just as likely to take advise from a user with a 0 rep as a user with a +400 rep if I think it will solve my problem.

On the more positive side, it may encourage helpful users to be even more helpful when they are rewarded with a great number of positive points. Also, I assume it helps moderators to identify spammers and what not. If this be the case, I see no reason why the rep system should be removed as it can't really be considered annoying. Ignoring it works pretty well for me.

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Right, this thread sorts out the quarterly rep rant then. So where's the whole-forum-is-going-downhill thread? They're normally within a few weeks of each other.

I figured it was due.

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I've got an idea, people should stop being pricks to each other, end of.

Grow up, act more mature and then you wouldn't need to post this every month. People should stop whining about their reputations and just help people more, stop spamming. If you've got a bad reputation, it's your own fault.

The reputation is good, it shows you if you're doing well or if you're doing bad. If you've got a low reputation, then it shows you to help more, then once you get more positive reps for helping, it'll give you an incentive to help more. For those who already have good reps it gives them good self esteem and makes them want to help more anyway.

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Right, this thread sorts out the quarterly rep rant then. So where's the whole-forum-is-going-downhill thread? They're normally within a few weeks of each other.

I figured it was due.

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