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You tube blocked in Turkey by RaPLeX on 03-07-2007 at 12:40 PM
Youtube.com blocked in Turkey for some political videos,they are apologized for this but court had closed youtube.So be careful 
do not upload stupid political videos for other countiries.
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RE: You tube blocked in Turkey by Felu on 03-07-2007 at 12:45 PM
Why blame a site for videos uploaded by one of its user... which i think would belong to the same country. I'd rather blame the user .
RE: You tube blocked in Turkey by RaPLeX on 03-07-2007 at 12:52 PM
Cuz Turkish users has complained a many time for remove videos about Turkey&Ataturk,and they didt.
RE: You tube blocked in Turkey by Rolando on 03-07-2007 at 12:55 PM
nice ... use proxys
RE: You tube blocked in Turkey by Menthix on 03-07-2007 at 01:08 PM
quote:How about Turkey learns to accept the concept of freedom of speech/opinion
Originally posted by RaPLeX
So be careful (Smilie) do not upload stupid political videos for other countiries.
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RE: RE: You tube blocked in Turkey by RaPLeX on 03-07-2007 at 01:09 PM
quote:
Originally posted by q25
nice
We can access from here after the some adjustment ; http://208.65.153.251/
RE: You tube blocked in Turkey by foaly on 03-07-2007 at 01:11 PM
quote:so basically just a dns block...
Originally posted by RaPLeX
RE: You tube blocked in Turkey by RaPLeX on 03-07-2007 at 01:12 PM
quote:
Originally posted by MenthiX
quote:How about Turkey learns to accept the concept of freedom of speech/opinion
Originally posted by RaPLeX
So be careful (Smilie) do not upload stupid political videos for other countiries.
Its not about freedom speech or opinion.
RE: You tube blocked in Turkey by Jhrono on 03-07-2007 at 01:49 PM
Sure it is.. So Turkey wants to come into the EU? LOL
RE: You tube blocked in Turkey by GiantSpider on 03-07-2007 at 02:04 PM
quote:You can just see it can't you......
Originally posted by Jhrono
Sure it is.. So Turkey wants to come into the EU? LOL
RE: You tube blocked in Turkey by paperless on 03-07-2007 at 02:44 PM
Turkey + EU = Just..dont even try it.
RE: You tube blocked in Turkey by RaPLeX on 03-07-2007 at 04:29 PM
Dont post like noobs,Turkey not need EU ,(As u know like 100 years ago 
)and its not about freedom.Some greek members made stupid things about Ataturk in youtube.com!(like gay Ataturk etc..) Is this freedom?
Nobody say stupid thing about him,and we protest youtube for it.They remove all videos made by Greeks,and they said we are sorry for this.But its closed. 
RE: You tube blocked in Turkey by Plik on 03-07-2007 at 04:46 PM
quote:Yes, they are free to say what they like. . . .
Originally posted by RaPLeX
RE: You tube blocked in Turkey by RaPLeX on 03-07-2007 at 04:55 PM
Everyone can say what they think but cant say curse,abuse to biggest Turk.
RE: You tube blocked in Turkey by Menthix on 03-07-2007 at 05:00 PM
quote:Yes it is. It's just like the Danish cartoons a while ago, I can perfectly understand why there are large groups that didn't like it, but people still have freedom to express themselves (as long as they stick to some basic rules).
Originally posted by RaPLeX
.Some greek members made stupid things about Ataturk in youtube.com!(like gay Ataturk etc..) Is this freedom?
RE: You tube blocked in Turkey by RaPLeX on 03-07-2007 at 05:14 PM
I can understand greeks and others.But i dont know how they feels.(i cant know cuz we never been loser)(Example;Crusade's ends with batter ,after the war of Independence (War with Armenia 1919, with France 1919-1920,
with Greece 1920-1922, with Britain over Mosul-Region 1922-1923) and ends with agean sea )Its normally hate us.
We are Republican parliamentary democracy..Turkey's current boundaries were drawn in 1923 at the Conference of Lausanne, and Turkey became a republic with Kemal Atatürk as the first president. The Ottoman sultanate and caliphate were abolished, and modernization, reform, and industrialization began under Atatürk's direction. He secularized Turkish society, reducing Islam's dominant role.
RE: You tube blocked in Turkey by Jhrono on 03-07-2007 at 05:27 PM
You should think about the future and not argue with the past, otherwise Portugal would also be one of the greatest countries in the world, and guess what? It isn't.
If you think you're future is just fine with no freedom of speech... Well... Nevermind
RE: You tube blocked in Turkey by absorbation on 03-07-2007 at 05:33 PM
Good old propaganda 
RE: You tube blocked in Turkey by RaPLeX on 03-07-2007 at 05:38 PM
I just tell youtube closed,i meant distress you
and @jhorono we got 6000 years future starts with Middle asia resumes with anatolia.. (not like portugal or others ) and every year was epical
Ehem whatever,its just blocked for now maybe its will be open i dont know.Regards.
RE: You tube blocked in Turkey by Weyzza on 03-07-2007 at 05:46 PM
quote:It doesn't distress us
Originally posted by RaPLeX
I just tell youtube closed,i meant distress you
What probably distresses us is that people in your country have their minds being closed by the government.
RE: You tube blocked in Turkey by RaPLeX on 03-07-2007 at 05:53 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Weyzza
It doesn't distress us
No no,i dont mean youtube with it
RE: You tube blocked in Turkey by Fuse on 03-07-2007 at 07:20 PM
i agree, you should be able to post/upload whatever you want even if it means calling someone/something gay. It's called freedom of speech and the EU doesnt need Turkey however Turkey wants admission to into it - so Turkey does need it.
RE: You tube blocked in Turkey by CookieRevised on 03-07-2007 at 07:38 PM
Why is "freedom of speech" always used to justify insulting? That is just as stupid as censoring on its own.
There is also something like common sense and having respect for other cultures. Freedom of speech is used way too much to justify things like this (eg: the Danish cartoons).
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On the other hand, there is also something like being extremely (almost stupidly) sensitive to stuff said about cultures or religion etc.
If people insult Mohammed, so be it. If people insult the Pope, so be it, ... That doesn't mean a whole nation should start banning everything else. Which is the totally opposite of freedom of speech... Extremism is never a good thing, not from the right wing, not from the left wing.
Respect must come from both sides. One should respect the sensitive nature of the other, and the other should respect the liberal view of the one.
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As for the EU needing Turkey , or vice versa: If one doesn't know all the political, economical and cultural implications (as in: do you have a seat in the EU parlement?), I don't see how you can judge if the EU doesn't or doesn't need Turkey and vice versa, or how far Turkey is with their implementation of the treaty, guidelines and rules given by the EU to enter...
All I think is that the EU must first get a proper eu law and working on a coherent community of nations, before letting other nations in. (first clean out the house, before inviting people, so to speak). But note that this doesn't say anything about my opinion of letting Turkey in or not. As this can both be good or bad, depending on many things. Which goes for any nation for that matter, not just because it is Turkey.
RE: You tube blocked in Turkey by Fuse on 03-07-2007 at 08:54 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6427355.stm
good article ^^
explain about freedom of speech and some EU things.
excerpts:
The European Union, which Turkey is hoping to join, has long called for an easing of Article 301 - the law which prevents insults to Turkish culture - arguing that the law places severe restrictions on free speech in Turkey.
Turkish visitors to the site are now greeted with a message in English and Turkish reading "Access to www.youtube.com site has been suspended in accordance with decision no: 2007/384 dated 06.03.2007 of Istanbul First Criminal Peace Court".
RE: You tube blocked in Turkey by CookieRevised on 03-07-2007 at 09:47 PM
quote:It doesn't explain a thing, nor freedom of speech, nor does it explain some EU things.
Originally posted by Fuse
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6427355.stm
good article ^^
explain about freedom of speech and some EU things.
Also, there is still a big difference between using the "it is freedom of speech" when someone insults someone else. And using "it is freedom of speech" when someone tries to make a political statement or want to discuss something in a civil manner.
The EU does indeed want to see easing that article a bit, but this has more todo with the proper "freedom of speech" issues and reprecautions it might have (eg: prison) than with the insulting matter of stuff...
Quite frankly I even don't understand what that paragraph of the EU wanting to ease that article, has to do with the report. Even if there wasn't such an article, then it will most likely still be ruled that those videos should be banned in one way or the other, or that repricutions should be taken...
Again, "freedom of speech" does not mean you can get away with insulting or whatever. It means you can state your opinion in a civil manner and differ from opinion withoug fearing punishment. It doesn't mean you can start insulting everybody and disrespect people/cultures.
Nor should "freedom of speech" ever be used to justify that.
And if you read that article closer you'll see that the request of the EU has got nothing todo with issues like this, but with things like
quote:Aka: they didn't insulted anybody, they wrote about things going wrong or other things like that,... they didn't put insulting videos on the net.
About 50 writers in the country have been put on trial for allegedly contravening the rule, including Nobel prizewinner Orhan Pamuk, though most cases have eventually been dismissed by the judge.
Which is also why I think this BBC article goes a bit wrong, as they drag this "freedom of speech" thing into this with something which has little todo with it... Appart from the fact it was under the same law; the reasons behind it are completely different.
eg: Racism is in many countries illegal because it is insulting, degrading, disrespectfull, etc. Yet those very same countries have a very strong believe in freedom of speech. This simply shows that freedom of speech should never be used as an excuse for stuff like what happened.
Insulting someone or disrespecting someone is not proper "freedom of speech" at all, it is abusing "freedom of speech"....
RE: You tube blocked in Turkey by Voldemort on 03-07-2007 at 11:05 PM
Actually, think about it, by blocking youtube they give importance to the video( s), they could have ignored it, by banning it they give it importance and make it known, which is pretty unreasonable as they did not want that in first place.
RE: You tube blocked in Turkey by Jhrono on 03-07-2007 at 11:16 PM
I agree with you Cookie, freedom of speech doesn't justify criticising or insulting someone.. However, using censorship is against freedom of speech..
No matter what, I don't agree with the freedom of speech excuse, people should always be held accountable for what they say, online, offline (or on the phone )
RE: You tube blocked in Turkey by CookieRevised on 03-07-2007 at 11:25 PM
quote:I certainly agree, up to a certain point though...
Originally posted by Voldemort
Actually, think about it, by blocking youtube they give importance to the video( s), they could have ignored it, by banning it they give it importance and make it known, which is pretty unreasonable as they did not want that in first place.
As the "importance" is given by the media I think (who sometimes jump on these thing like flies on a *beep*
) and as such, it goes around the world, etc, etc, etc.... You see this happening in many cases. Where some inside conflict or whatever is blown out of proportion because of the media attention to it.
(not to say that media attention isn't always a bad thing of course, on the contrary)
quote:very true too.... but then again censorship is not the same as removing something insulting either...
Originally posted by Jhrono
However, using censorship is against freedom of speech..
blah "on fine line walking all this is", Yoda would say... and he was a wise man
RE: You tube blocked in Turkey by Jhrono on 03-07-2007 at 11:31 PM
Well, they simply removed the whole website.. People should be able to make their own judgements, and thus, shouldn't be limited..
The best thing they could do while democratic regime was to release an announcement about certain specific content and their position on it.
RE: You tube blocked in Turkey by RaPLeX on 03-08-2007 at 11:26 AM
Youtube will online this night (or tomorrow) .
what is freedom by weird02905 on 03-08-2007 at 04:24 PM
one should know that there can't be a freedom which allow anybody insult a person. ıf I were you ı would read the new aqurately. Mustafa Kemal Atatürk is the founder of turkey republic. ın that video which is blocked by the court contains some silly scene which tries to show atatüek as if he was a gay.Now a want to ask my friends do you know:
what did your courts do just after BUSH' S videos aired in yotube.
turkey is a democratic country. dont forget this? freedom is not the way insulting one's honer
RE: You tube blocked in Turkey by Weyzza on 03-08-2007 at 06:11 PM
YouTube search
Damn, Americans are stupid.
They do nothing when their president is being embarrassed.
RE: You tube blocked in Turkey by RaPLeX on 03-08-2007 at 06:46 PM
Bush is just president.. Ataturk is the founder of Turkey republic (And our SAVER ).. Our president now R.Tayyip Erdogan,and you can found lot of videos about him on youtube,nobody says anything about it.
RE: You tube blocked in Turkey by ayjay on 03-11-2007 at 01:05 PM
Why is calling him gay an insult? :/
RE: You tube blocked in Turkey by Lourix on 03-11-2007 at 01:25 PM
I guess all the people in Turkey could just use Circumventor sites from now on to access Youtube until this whole mess is sorted out.
PeaceFire.org to sign up for Circumventor sites.
A circumventor site
Not sure if it will work but just try anyway.
I do hope though that this mess is sorted out soon. It's a shame, YouTube is a brilliant site and even I think if they just banned members and deleted the videos it would have worked out.
RE: You tube blocked in Turkey by CookieRevised on 03-11-2007 at 10:58 PM
quote:If they called him gay, it is extremely obvious it is meant as an insult.
Originally posted by ayjay
Why is calling him gay an insult? :/
RE: You tube blocked in Turkey by crytos on 03-15-2007 at 12:30 PM
it doesn't matter if the site is blocked, just change your DNS and proxy connection servers to override around your ISP blocking and you can get to the site.
they do that in the UAE (dubai, abu dhabi etc.) too, and i got around it.
RE: You tube blocked in Turkey by Omar on 03-15-2007 at 05:57 PM
quote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4W_sV1wxsA
Originally posted by RaPLeX
Bush is just president.. Ataturk is the founder of Turkey republic (And our SAVER ).. Our president now R.Tayyip Erdogan,and you can found lot of videos about him on youtube,nobody says anything about it.