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[split] VB6 debate by vikke on 03-14-2007 at 03:31 PM
quote:Let's start.. Since you're Mrs. Perfect, you better help him, because your post does not say anything really.
Originally posted by CookieRevised
quote:- You can do it in VB6.
Originally posted by vikke
First of all, you want to make a addon in VB6, which I don't personally recommend, because you can't do as much as you can in C/C++. VB6 is also a more unstable programming language (especially the IDE).
- VB6 is certainly not a 'more unstable language'.
quote:There are many VB6 winsock hooking examples too. (pscode isn't the only place for example code)
The points 2 and 3 can easiest be done with a winsock hook. There are many samples floating around the net, not for VB6 though.
I didn't say you couldn't do it in VB6, if you read my sentence once again, because you can't do as much as you can in C/C++.
VB6 is certainly a 'more unstable language'. It's not made to use Win32 APIs for example. It's not using original constants etc. There's no way to handle pointers.
If your program hangs (happens when making addons), you cannot stop it without exiting the whole IDE. And if you forgot to save before you click "Execute/Compile", it's gone. Also lots of wierd error messages, you can't debug it any good since the outcome is junk. Microsoft has always been claiming VB should be easy, fast, powerful, still, non of their programs are written in VB. VB6 sucks, realize it! It's easier to learn C++ than to hook API's in VB.
Okay, over to the www.pscode.com comment. I suggested PSCode because I know mostly stuff is working. There are other sites as well.. But if you know so much about winsock hooking in VB6, why don't you show us a sample instead of making me laugh?
It is indeed possible to hook winsock in VB6, with a ActiveX or DLL written in another language!
That's my opinion,
vikke
RE: RE: [addon made in vb6]3 howto's questions by CookieRevised on 03-15-2007 at 08:44 AM
quote:1) don't start flaming here. Thank you...
Originally posted by vikke
Let's start.. Since you're Mrs. Perfect, you better help him, because your post does not say anything really.
2) it corrects yours
quote:which implies you can't do it in VB6.
Originally posted by vikke
I didn't say you couldn't do it in VB6, if you read my sentence once again, because you can't do as much as you can in C/C++.
quote:what has that got to do with "more unstable language". Also, since when is VB6 "not made to use APIs". That's quite frankly totally and utterly wrong. The method and function declarations are especailly made for that.
Originally posted by vikke
VB6 is certainly a 'more unstable language'. It's not made to use Win32 APIs for example.
quote:??? constants need to be declared, even in C!
Originally posted by vikke
It's not using original constants etc.
quote:very old fairy tale used by those who hate VB6. VB6 can handle pointers perfectly.
Originally posted by vikke
There's no way to handle pointers.
quote:that has nothing todo with "stability of the language" at all. That has todo with the IDE.
Originally posted by vikke
If your program hangs (happens when making addons), you cannot stop it without exiting the whole IDE. And if you forgot to save before you click "Execute/Compile", it's gone.
quote:The native error messages are very descriptive. The normal error messages are just as normal as error messages in any other language.
Originally posted by vikke
Also lots of wierd error messages
quote:??? yes you can. And, ok maybe not in the way you debug a C app, but that's because it is a higher level language.
Originally posted by vikke
you can't debug it any good since the outcome is junk.
quote:What has either got to do with the other? VB is _aimed_ for another audiance. That doesn't mean you can't do certain stuff with it.
Originally posted by vikke
Microsoft has always been claiming VB should be easy, fast, powerful, still, non of their programs are written in VB.
quote:sorry but no...
Originally posted by vikke
VB6 sucks, realize it! It's easier to learn C++ than to hook API's in VB.
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You hate VB6... perfectly fine... But if you want to tell people not to use it, stick to the facts please, instead of old fairy tales and typical hear-say from sworn C users which only shows that you do not know what VB6 can or can't do.
Also, people already directed the top-poster to what he needs. I don't need to post further. My post was to make it clear that what you said about VB6 isn't true at all.
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Oh, and I don't see any rude stuff posted in my previous post at all. And I think everybody else would agree. In fact, it is you who just now replied with calling me names. So I don't see either why that previous post triggered the urge to give me a negative reputation.
RE: RE: RE: [addon made in vb6]3 howto's questions by vikke on 03-15-2007 at 02:46 PM
quote:You cannot do all kind of features with VB6.
Originally posted by CookieRevised
quote:which implies you can't do it in VB6.
Originally posted by vikke
I didn't say you couldn't do it in VB6, if you read my sentence once again, because you can't do as much as you can in C/C++.
quote:The "Define Function" statement was added in later versions, because they needed to use WIN32 API, therefore it's not "made" to use APIs.
Originally posted by CookieRevised
quote:what has that got to do with "more unstable language". Also, since when is VB6 "not made to use APIs". That's quite frankly totally and utterly wrong. The method and function declarations are especailly made for that.
Originally posted by vikke
VB6 is certainly a 'more unstable language'. It's not made to use Win32 APIs for example.
quote:I meant the constants declared in windows.h
Originally posted by CookieRevised
quote:??? constants need to be declared, even in C!
Originally posted by vikke
It's not using original constants etc.
quote:Well.. That is false! It's not even close to C++.
Originally posted by CookieRevised
quote:very old fairy tale used by those who hate VB6. VB6 can handle pointers perfectly.
Originally posted by vikke
There's no way to handle pointers.
quote:Since VB6 is all built with the IDE, that's the parser etc. Oh also notice my comment between ( and ).
Originally posted by CookieRevised
quote:that has nothing todo with "stability of the language" at all. That has todo with the IDE.
Originally posted by vikke
If your program hangs (happens when making addons), you cannot stop it without exiting the whole IDE. And if you forgot to save before you click "Execute/Compile", it's gone.
quote:True, but that is also why you shouldn't use it as a language.
Originally posted by CookieRevised
quote:??? yes you can. And, ok maybe not in the way you debug a C app, but that's because it is a higher level language.
Originally posted by vikke
you can't debug it any good since the outcome is junk.
quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
quote:What has either got to do with the other? VB is _aimed_ for another audiance. That doesn't mean you can't do certain stuff with it.
Originally posted by vikke
Microsoft has always been claiming VB should be easy, fast, powerful, still, non of their programs are written in VB.
quote:Still only possible with another language ActiveX/DLL in VB6.
Originally posted by CookieRevised
quote:sorry but no...
Originally posted by vikke
VB6 sucks, realize it! It's easier to learn C++ than to hook API's in VB.
RE: RE: RE: RE: [addon made in vb6]3 howto's questions by CookieRevised on 03-15-2007 at 07:18 PM
quote:Sorry, but that doesn't make much sense though. It is also not true (eg: since VB1 you could call APIs, heck even QB already supported APIs).
Originally posted by vikke
quote:The "Define Function" statement was added in later versions, because they needed to use WIN32 API, therefore it's not "made" to use APIs.
Originally posted by CookieRevised
quote:what has that got to do with "more unstable language". Also, since when is VB6 "not made to use APIs". That's quite frankly totally and utterly wrong. The method and function declarations are especailly made for that.
Originally posted by vikke
VB6 is certainly a 'more unstable language'. It's not made to use Win32 APIs for example.
quote:Even those constants must be defined in C, hence the windows.h file. Don't import that file and your C program wouldn't have a clue either. Add those constants to a file in VB6 and it does support them too just as well.
Originally posted by vikke
quote:I meant the constants declared in windows.h
Originally posted by CookieRevised
quote:??? constants need to be declared, even in C!
Originally posted by vikke
It's not using original constants etc.
quote:and why not? because you hate it? If you recommend using C for this, fine and good. But do not use those arguments you used as those are iether your opinion (which isn't based upon facts) or wrong information.
Originally posted by vikke
but that is also why you shouldn't use it as a language.
quote:activex or external DLLs are more convenient, but you still can do without them.
Originally posted by vikke
Still only possible with another language ActiveX/DLL in VB6.
I don't care if you hate VB6 or not, you can hate whatever you want. But please don't talk about stuff you don't know or let that hate dictate your judgement.