* Lou raises his non existent hat in a symbol of sadness for the 33 that died in the United States...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6560685.stm

I find this completely, horribly, atrocious.

It's a horrible thing when people do things like this... My thoughts go out to the families of the victims.

Unfortunately, putting the atrocity of the whole even aside, I'm counting down the seconds until Jack Thomson blames it on GTA.

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Why shoot inocent people who are still learning and living a life?
I feel sorry for the families and friends of the victims

yes, I heard about it

This really sucks, my mom told me about it. Wow, some people are just idiots. R.I.P .

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Originally posted by duck!
Why shoot inocent people who are still learning and living a life?

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The first thing I thought of when I heard about this was, "Why couldn't he just commit suicide or get help instead of doing something as radical as this?"

I wonder how much they'll beef up the security there as my girlfriends friend is going there this year to study.

Keep a watch on LiveLeak and other such sites guys.

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Originally posted by Wikipedia Boy
Well it is unknown yet if all 32 people that were shot to death were innocent...though I can almost assume that a least 30 of them didn't deserved to die...they died too young...

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I have a friend who is at Virginia Tech and is a resident assistant at the residence hall where the initial shootings took place.  He is fine -- however, a fellow RA and a friend of his appears to have been one of the first victims.

Oh well.  Shit happens.

Fucking terrible (excuse language) Why the hell do they.. it's just horrific.

They didn't deserve it.

I still find it funny how the school wasn't closed, even an isolated incident, there's still a big risk

R.I.P to all that died.

This is why guns shouldn't be so widely available

I thought they did close the school? Or they cancelled lessons or something & told everyone to stay in their rooms with doors/windows closed.

It's sad what's happened. They still don't know if it was just the one guy, or if there were more people involved. :\

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Originally posted by FrozenDaggers
I thought they did close the school? Or they cancelled lessons or something & told everyone to stay in their rooms with doors/windows closed.

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I don't think any words could express how extremely tragic this must be, to the families and students all around the nation.

Nothing like this usually happens in Europe, something must be done to ensure this doesn't happen again. But it has happened a few times hasn't it?

Was a total shock... It's only a pity that we will still experience more of this in the future and don't know who will be caught up in it. So sad.

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Originally posted by vaccination
This is why guns shouldn't be so widely available

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I don't think though this topic should be treated lightly though and also I partly agree with that statement but why did that person do it? Not a very good thing.

On the news this morning they said something like the gunman first killed his ex girlfriend and then his ex girlfriends boyfriend and then other students cause he met his ex girlfriend at Virginia Tech so he was like mad at it. Dont know if its true. Thats what they said on the news.

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Originally posted by Weyzza
But, again, gun supporters will say, "Guns don't kill. People do."

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Originally posted by Lourix
Nothing like this would ever happen in Europe, something must be done to ensure this doesn't happen again. But it has happened a few times hasn't it?

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I'm way in Canada and our principal made an announcement today about "enforcing school security". However, he's sending a letter to Virginia tech's dean to ask if we can help in any such way as a school.

Just heard on the news classes at VA Tech are cancelled for a week... and I agree... guns don't kill people, people kill people.

I just like... tihnk it's dumb... a 5th grader at our elementary school left a bomb threat to get out of school.... yesterday... But of course, they're so dumb, they didn't write it till like 2 in the afternoon... so they got out five minutes early...

My heart goes out to everybody affected by the tragedy... I just hope everything gets sorted out and things get better for their familys and friends.

You can always say guns don't kill people, people do. But do we really need automatic weapons sold to citizens? I know in Australia after the Port Arthur Massacre there was a near complete ban on all semi-automatic rifles and shotguns, and all pump-action shotguns.

Make it harder to get weapons and don't allow such powerful and quick to fire weapons to be sold to citizens. That can be the first step.

EDIT: Just read some of the slack laws they have over there: http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21576049-2,00.html

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I thought they did close the school? Or they cancelled lessons or something & told everyone to stay in their rooms with doors/windows closed.

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It's sad what's happened. They still don't know if it was just the one guy, or if there were more people involved. :\

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Originally posted by Lourix
Nothing like this would ever happen in Europe, something must be done to ensure this doesn't happen again. But it has happened a few times hasn't it?

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Originally posted by Weyzza
But, again, gun supporters will say, "Guns don't kill. People do."

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Originally posted by Weyzza
But, again, gun supporters will say, "Guns don't kill. People do."

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Sure, they will.  They will also be 100% correct. 

If anything, this incident shows why gun restrictions are idiotic.  Guns are prohibited on the VT campus by strictly enforced policy.  That clearly didn't stop the psycho from having more than one.  It stopped the sane students and staff from having guns to shoot the psycho with and end the rampage early.

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Originally posted by linx05
You can always say guns don't kill people, people do. But do we really need automatic weapons sold to citizens? I know in Australia after the Port Arthur Massacre there was a near complete ban on all semi-automatic rifles and shotguns, and all pump-action shotguns.

Make it harder to get weapons and don't allow such powerful and quick to fire weapons to be sold to citizens. That can be the first step.

EDIT: Just read some of the slack laws they have over there: http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21576049-2,00.html

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Originally posted by linx05
You can always say guns don't kill people, people do. But do we really need automatic weapons sold to citizens? I know in Australia after the Port Arthur Massacre there was a near complete ban on all semi-automatic rifles and shotguns, and all pump-action shotguns.

Make it harder to get weapons and don't allow such powerful and quick to fire weapons to be sold to citizens. That can be the first step.

EDIT: Just read some of the slack laws they have over there: http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21576049-2,00.html

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That still did not stop the Monash University shooting.
If I recall the guy in that shooting was also Asian
Monash University Shooting Answers.com

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Originally posted by Lourix
Nothing like this would ever happen in Europe

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• 18 dead in German school shooting
  
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erfurt_massacre

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Originally posted by FrozenDaggers

    I thought they did close the school? Or they cancelled lessons or something & told everyone to stay in their rooms with doors/windows closed.

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Police and headmsaters (or whatever) are twisting around in every direction to try and justify their (utterly stupid <= personal addition) reaction on it...

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    I thought they did close the school? Or they cancelled lessons or something & told everyone to stay in their rooms with doors/windows closed.

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Police and headmsaters (or whatever) are twisting around in every direction to try and justify their (utterly stupid <= personal addition) reaction on it...

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hm.... let's see....

I don't think the Police/School Staff had any reason to believe that the initial murders were going to turn into a shooting spree across campus.

I don't blame them for initially treating it like a double homicide.

People really need to stop blaming the police and school officials here. Sometimes blaming people makes us feel better, but much of the time there really is no one to blame. ok, ok.... Only the fucker that started shooting everyone is to blame.

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How in hell are you expected to lockdown a campus of 26000 students? (Many of which are driving to school with no way to check their e-mail. Campus police aren't exactly the biggest regiments either, how do you expect that many police officers to go through the entire campus, secure each building, and keep the perpetrator away?

Even if they did go through and lockdown the entire campus, if they locked in the gunman (which he actually did himself by chaining the doors shut) then the victims are in danger anyways. People always try to point fingers when something goes wrong.

Things such as video games, or parents, or nobody cared enough to try and prevent it. These are all subconscious means our mind use as principles to make our own understandings of shocking and ming-shaking events.

This isn't meant to cause any stirring-of-the-pot, call anyone out, or annoy/anger anyone in this thread, this is just meant for me to say what I couldn't hold in any longer.

On a more realistic note, why don't we pray (or hope if you have no deity) that these families can get through these events and put our hands and pointing fingers down. MY mother always taught me that when you point a finger, you've got three pointing back at yourself.

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How in hell are you expected to lockdown a campus of 26000 students? (Many of which are driving to school with no way to check their e-mail. Campus police aren't exactly the biggest regiments either, how do you expect that many police officers to go through the entire campus, secure each building, and keep the perpetrator away?

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Things such as video games, or parents, or nobody cared enough to try and prevent it. These are all subconscious means our mind use as principles to make our own understandings of shocking and ming-shaking events.

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Sometimes you can't understand people in this world. Gun crime is a serious problem in America, and the only thing good that could come out of this is if laws are made much much much tighter on guns, if not getting rid of them all together

There was a study, violent video games only have an 'effect'* on people who are already violent and/or mentally unstable(for lack of better word) - in that part of the brain..


Also IMHO the 'violent video games cause people to be violent' is bollocks.

*effect doesn't mean they start going out killing people, just that they were more active in the part of brain that handles violence after playing the violent video games and more likely to get violent with someone/act out something from a game

Can't link to source 'cause I read it in a science magazine I read

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
Anyways, now you're saying that it is the fault of the restriction on campus to carry a gun that this happened? Excuse me? Since when is taking law in your own hands been a solution for anything?

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...anyone can buy guns (and even semi-automatic weapons) without any background check or license or whatever!

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Well the problem with gun violence in is quite deeply rooted in the United States.

The second amendment to the constitution states this:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

As you can see in order to reduce easy access to guns, this must be handled at a very core level.

Moreover, United States' economy is heavily dependent on the weapon industry. For example the DoD (department of defense) has a massive budget for financing weapon research which is basically guns, ammo etc. Now if say one day they decide that they are going to stop making guns, the entire nation's economy would collapse... The very fiber of US's existence is dependent on their ability to facilitate easy access to weapons and their ability to support wars by selling them the weapons.

I know that selling weapons to war raged countries and providing civilians with easy access to weapons might seem like two different things, but they are tied together due to the same core reason being that the very foundation that the United States is built on their existence...

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Originally posted by Adeptus
This is not true.  A background check is performed when you buy a gun and was performed here.  He had no criminal record, so he was allowed to purchase the guns.

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http://digg.com/world_news/Cho_Seung_Hui_Sent_Pac..._Between_Shootings

The only problem I have with this is the fact it took over TWO hours to warn the campus.

Not only that, they LET the students carry on with their lessons.

If some guy has just shot someone in a dorm and has gone missing...are you really going to want to go to lesson if your told?

I know I wouldn't

They definetly could have handled this alot better and probably saved alot more lives.